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crc
cool.
thats what I thought.
sinthetek
obscure means hide or hidden
crc
yea but if the attacker doesn't know if your running apache or IIS or what version of ssh your useing they pretty much have to do a noisy attack by trying everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity <-- this was my understanding of it. Probably since I always though of it in encryption
use secrecy (of design, implementation, etc.)
if you consider getting back an RST as being hidden.
is getting an RST back suitable for you ash*taka or do you insist the server act as a black hole when unacceptable SYNs come in.
who is they thats "talking"?
is iptables suid root?
is it in the kernel?
where is it
well if you can't trust the kernel whats the point lol. I guess your safe.
NetBSD
nothing will ever be bug free, were only human
crc
yea I agree
NetBSD
ok
will still have human errors because a human built the bot
crc
NP complete
problem
NetBSD
errors are a part or life, we learn by them, therefor improving
crc
if a robot can program itself I'm heading for the hills
         

NetBSD
Ash*taka, in the end it was still programmed by a human
crc
its hard to answer that since we don't know how AI will play out. It the robot's ai as at a human level then it will get closer to bug free code after each generation provided your not adding features.
NetBSD
Ash*taka, possibly, this is something i dunno untill they try it
for all we know it till be "Terminator" but for real, lol
judgement day
crc
Perhaps if you force the robot to use algo proving when building its code (It certainly has more short term memory to do so) then it can write pure code.
NetBSD
yeah but what are you? human, so there will be bugs in that part aswell =P
crc
no no have the robot keep its data and code seperate so you never have the possability of a buffer overflow.
NetBSD
i gotta start rebuilding my router soon, it needs a new cpu/ram and kernel :/
crc
your turning a PC into a router?
NetBSD
yeah
my linksys finally died
crc
an edge router?
maby I'm too paranoid
or maby I just don't know ipchains
NetBSD
im still doing alot of reading on iptables
crc
you got a URL?
NetBSD
but aparently i didnt build it into the 2.6.8 kernel
well i started the system with http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/home-router-howto.xml
then im on google bout iptables
crc
cool.
I did google on ipchains a few months ago but got miffed when the docs I kept finding wouden't discretly define a chain or a table except that one is apart of the othert
what was that URL again?
NetBSD
thanks Ash*taka
crc
really? Oh thats right iptables is the newer one
thanks for correcting me.
NetBSD
crc, i really dont care about my systems, if someone really wants to root these boxes for its useless data let them, just gives me a reason to get off the internet and go outside :)
ill try to protect it the best i can tho
crc
When I saw ipchains (obsolete) I was thinking Oh great a 3rd version is comming out?
I try to protect my boxes up to and before the point where they become useless
example of "the local service"?
NetBSD
wow my server kernel is really outdated, im on 2.6.8 and 2.6.14-r5 is out :/
QuazX
mortzii masii de redirect
         

crc
yea we understand that.
QuazX
you now i curse no?
NetBSD
i need to recompile anyway
i forgot iptables in 2.6.8
crc
me no under stand you
QuazX
i cand understand on some forums tell me how to do it but don;t work
NetBSD
ive used 2.6.14 before
i never had a problem
crc
me neither.
NetBSD
yeah i had vmware problems, thats it
crc
but why would the OOM killer still be around after discover in 2.6.9
NetBSD
why, so the kernel is even bigger?
crc
try_to_free_pages()
I like the name of that
Agios
I don't think I would let OOM killer stop me from upgrading my kernel :)
crc
I don't know. Sounds scarey now that I'm reading it.
NetBSD
Ash*taka, theres only a handfull that dont work tho isnt there
crc
Shoulden't the system just shutdown gracefully
NetBSD
i never felt the need for that stuff, aslong as i could code/play mp3's/watch movies i was good
wireless is one thing i didnt mess with yet on linux
(Action) is still back in 98
ive tried getting a winmodem working once
i gave that up quick
see i never tried all that stuff, all of that is on the windows box
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