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jsh
velope: (sorry, stepped away for a while). yes, i've verified that sending and receiving goes through tor. that's the whole point of torbirdy.
https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/torbirdy
note, in particular, the section "TorBirdy with Gmail"
cacahuatl
You will have problems using gmail with Tor. Google are not Tor-friendly.
ulyn
Is it dangerous to install other add-ons to the Tor Browser (e.g. LibreJS)? I'm sure that LibreJS doesn't track it's users, but would it make my browser configuration easier to fingerprint?
cacahuatl
It's a bit hand-wavy, "possibly"
ulyn
Actually, I think I found the answer to my question online: "When using LibreJS and Tor at the same time, it's possible for the website you're visiting to see that you're not running any nonfree JavaScript it may contain. That would enable it to distinguish you from many other Tor users, but it still won't know who you are. "
cacahuatl
That last bit is probably somewhat contentious but generally speaking, yes.
Gulliver
hoy
BenSoywer
Hi. Feds are keeping a HTTP-connection alive to track my onion service. That's keeping the onion route open, right?
kernelcorn
what do you mean?
what HTTP connection? Over the Tor network, yes?
         

BenSoywer
yes
they don't disconnect, but they keep the connection alive by sending empty seq/ack
one user.
Can they do that to keep me connected to the same onion route?
cacahuatl
The empty keep alive packets are coming from your local tor instance.
kernelcorn
really? How do you see the empty SEQ/ACK?
cacahuatl
your tcp path is your webserver to the tor process handling the requests for the onion
kernelcorn
The fact that the route stays open shouldn't be a cause for concern, that's perfectly fine
BenSoywer
kernelcorn: the data field is zero
cacahuatl
question one is obviously "How do you know it's 'Feds'?"
kvm234
it is until proven otherwise
kernelcorn
lol
BenSoywer
cacahuatl: because I'm a high profiler right now. Not for kiddy porn and SICK sh*t like that, no. I run a market for hackers. I'm not a hacker myself though.
kernelcorn
it's more likely some researcher or some script that is keeping it open
BenSoywer
cacahuatl: we've had people arrested recently, so, I'm a bit paranoid :3.
kernelcorn
the word "hacker" is incredibly overabused
BenSoywer
kernelcorn: should I be concerned about that?
kernelcorn
I don't think any of this is cause for concern
BenSoywer
well, they trade credit cards and stuff like that. Apparently a much higher priority than child abuse.
I'm thinking that the NSA is keeping the same route open so that they can do some kind of statistic analysis to find the location of the onion server :p
cacahuatl
first of all, pro-tip: don't volunteer data, second of all, paranoia is just another mask for ignorance.
kernelcorn
^
if it really concerns you that much, just restart the Tor instance running the service. The routes will close and you'll pick up a completely different route through the network.
although you could also close that circuit manually by talking to the control port
woosa
theres a util called tcpkill that will close socket connections
cacahuatl
nothing could go wrong with doing that...right?
just leave it, with vague "Feds are keeping TCP connections open with voodoo" level information, there's no real way to provide meaningful advice.
         

BenSoywer
so. Anonymity. I've recently learned that people share the sickest sh*t on the deepweb. Deepweb is dominated by drugs and child porn. Although I'm against drugs as it destroy lives .. the CP though... what the hell?
People don't deserve anonymity
alina
Shut the fu*k up.
BenSoywer
no, seriously. I get the impression that deepweb is infested with sad fu*ks. Its potential is good, but as with everything, porn takes over.
qwerty1
+1 alina
BenSoywer
"porn". It's not even porn.
cacahuatl
Whatever your moral qualms, this isn't the venue.
BenSoywer
are you two pedophiles?
kernelcorn
flame troll is obvious
BenSoywer
lol, how's pointing out the fact that pedophiles are sad fu*ks trolling?
cacahuatl
This is a support channel.
kernelcorn
two words that I dislike the most: "hackers" and "deepweb". 95% of the time they are just terms thrown around to be edgy.
BenSoywer
cacahuatl: pedophile confirmed. This is exactly what I mean. onion services are wasted human effort. It's either the feds or it's people like you raping children, faggot. I rather chose the former.
Johnny
kernelcorn: whats a better term than deepweb? darknet, darkweb, cypherspace...
cacahuatl
librenet!
or libreweb
BenSoywer
deepweb is fine. Deepweb could mean either onion services or other hidden networks.
cacahuatl
don't accept the narrative of "deep" and "dark" that they want to cast on it :P
kernelcorn
if we're going to talk about the Tor infrastructure, call them "onion services". That is the technical term for them.
or "hidden services"
BenSoywer
cacahuatl: libreweb? Rather pedophile web. Some freedoms aren't meant to be had, such as trading child pornography.
kernelcorn
"darknet" sounds like something Frodo would go wandering into, only to encounter Shelob
alina
lol
velope
BenSoywer: ok, that's enough about porn and pedophilia, and especially namecalling to people volunteering in a support channel
alina
If trading CP stops then from going outside and harassing real people, I'm all for it.
*them
kernelcorn
it's so sad that this is what some people associate with Tor
Johnny
kernelcorn: so what is a better term that encompasses i2p, tor
velope
privacy-enhancing technology
and whaddya know, there's even a conference about it
also, it's all still the internet
kernelcorn
I'm happy to talk about I2P and Tor hidden services as completely separate things
Johnny
well, if even we can't come up with a better term than "deepweb, darknet" then they will be continued to be used. i think cypherspace is a descriptive term without as negative of a connotation, any others?
arma
onion spce
onion space, too.
Johnny
yeh, but that doesnt cover, gnunet, 12p, meshnet, etc
arma
paul likes the phrase "the secure web", to contrast it with the crazy websites where they track everything you do by default
alina
I've heard "onionland" sometimes.
kernelcorn
I'll agree with Paul on "the secure web". I like that.
velope
except it's been pre-co-opted by HTTPS
kernelcorn
I2P and Tor hidden services were designed with security goals in mind, and it's only a side-effect that they are only accessible through their respective applications, thus "the secure web" fits better than "the darknet"
velope
"i already use secure sites -- see the lock icon?"
kernelcorn
haha
Johnny
yeh, but agree with velope, "secure web" sounds too much like HTTPS. But i guess its better than 'darkweb'
kvm234
whatever term you decide on needs to be cool sounding
kernelcorn
but not too cool that it ends up being abused by TV shows
velope
err, coolness is part of the problem
Johnny
"CypherSpace"
kvm234
I don't, a lot os science terms sound cool
Johnny
sounds cool, i dont know why it went out of style
kvm234
I like cypherspace
but it implies encryption is used
velope
cybercybercyberspace
kernelcorn
now with 200% more cyber!
kvm234
kek
AnotherGuest
Is there a way to map a specific hidden service address to some localhost:port?
My aim is to allow some random scripts to access it.
cacahuatl
As the hidden service administrator? Sure.
AnotherGuest
No as the user.
cacahuatl
Probably but not using tor itself.
kernelcorn
AnotherGuest: are you hosting multiple HSs on the same machine?
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