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kurtns
looking for guidance... while accessing the website seekingalpha.com via tor the login button for the website fails to appear
cacahuatl
contact the website owner see if they're specifically doing something with Tor then?
kurtns
the "sign in/join now link usually shows up on the upper left of the page but is missing when visiting via tor
well, it works sometimes but seems to come and go depending on updates to tor
cacahuatl
Right, they're probably using some blacklist.
kurtns
ok
kernelcorn
https://metrics.torproject.org/versions.html is there an explanation for the two sudden drops in the version numbers? Perhaps an issue with the directory authorities?
amgine
Adding extensions to TBBv5.0 stops it from displaying any GUI --even though: (1) it loads and its process is clearly running and (2) all the extensions were used in TBBv4.53 with zero problems. This happens when upgrading to v5.0 and also a clean install of v5.0 and adding extensions to it. Help would be gratefully received. :)
cacahuatl
"Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I do this" "Well don't do it then"
I believe that tails comes with ABP in it's Tor Browser, so it's likely something related to the specific extension you're trying to add.
(also it's own extensions, tor button, tor launcher, https everywhere)
amgine
cacahuatl: "Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I do this" "Well don't do it then" Was that humour in reply to my request for assistance above re TBBv5.0?
         

penis
hey
whats good on the leak from earlier
mrphs
off topic
penis
does anyone have the link though
mrphs
penis: this channel is about tor, either stay on topic or gtfo please
tven
How do I get my menu bar back on Tor?
arma
amgine: which extensions?
tven: you mean the thing that toggles on or off with the 'alt' key?
tven
ah, there we go, thanks
arma
tven: yes. what a nice firefox 'feature' that is, yes.
tven
That sarcasm? Is there a way to change it's hotkey? Give it a combo hotkey?
arma
i'm not sure. it is a firefox question at this point. i think tor browser just inherits it.
tven
I see, thanks
arma
(and yes, sarcasm. i think there are very few people in the world who are excited at each new change that mozilla makes. :)
tven
If you are downloading something, and you change circuits, is the previous download still on the old circuit, or does it change over?
Scratch previous download for ongoing download
cacahuatl
If you choose "new identity" the download will get killed.
because the browser will reload itself
otherwise it will continue on the old circuit
even if later connections use a new one
tven
It changes circuits automatically every 10 minutes, right? So what happens to ongoing downloads at such a time?
ah
The "new tor curcuit for this site" function, does that mean different tor circuits for different tabs?
cacahuatl
Don't know off the top of my head exactly how it's doing that, I assume it's actually changing stuff on a circuit-by-circuit basis since the circuit is defined by the hostname.
But that won't affect any current downloads
velope
try not to download huge files in web browsers, it's fragile. learn 2 command-line.
tven
Yeah, I get the download thing. But if you have circuit y, and you change it to x for z site, if you then navigate away from that site, does it use circuit y or x?
ferrite
you could point something like wget at Tor's socks proxy
cacahuatl
Well, i won't go back to using the old circuit
*it
         

arma
tven: tor browser modifies tor's path selection
tven
velope: How big is "huge" and what do you mean by fragile?
arma
so i think not many people here know how it actually works. roughly zero of the tor developers do. this is an ongoing discussion between the tor browser folks and the tor folks.
tven
cacahuatl: saying "it" won't go back to the old circuit, doesn't exactly answer the question or get a idea of how this works.
velope
tven: say, roughly, arbitrarily, over 20 Mb. browsers are terrible at downloading, often they truncate downloads but appear to be successful, or people use those horrible "download managers" which are abusive towards servers and tor relays.
tven
velope: Yes, Ive had failed downloads before, then I just redo it. I compare the download size file listing to actual size to get a idea of whether its successful or not (doesn't work if it messed up at the very end though) But is it a security/privacy issue?
velope
not primarily
tven
velope: I don't know what you mean by command line
velope
are you using Windows?
tven
No
linux of course
velope
i meant wget or curl
redoing huge downloads is not nice to your fellow tor users sharing network capacity
utilities like wget and curl can resume interrupted downloads without starting over
ageis
What's the real difference between 'Tired for 120 seconds to get a connection to []. Giving up.' and 'Closing stream for '': hidden service is unavailable (try again later).' ?
tven
velope: My search on wget talks about downloading webpages, and curl, I'm not finding a instruction site for. Seems complicated anyway. Also if I am using these programs, wouldn't it be outside of Tor?
ferrite
you'd need to configure them to use Tor's socks proxy, otherwise by default, yes, it'd be outside Tor. Once you gain confidence withusing the commandline it's really straightforward
as simple as typing; wget https://torproject.org/hidden-folder/armas-pron.zip
cacahuatl
`torsocks wget --passive-ftp -O output.file https://...` `curl -o output.file --socks5-hostname 127.0.0.1:9150 https://...`
tven
ferrite: I find no instructions to even get started. Plus I can't even imagine how this would work with entering a caption or download password
ferrite: That links dead to me
ferrite
it was a silly joke ;)
tven: cacahuatl's examples are more complete... and serious
tven
Um, cacahuatl 's "instructions" don't actually mean anything to me
ferrite
it might mostly be quite alien to you without prior commandline experience, but you could try opening a terminal in your linux distro (after installing wget) and running; man wget
tven
ferrite: Benefits of using wget?
ferrite
tven: as velope said, it will resume a partial download and works well with Tor's socks proxy, plus extra options for viewing webpages source
cacahuatl
Mostly in your example, it's the download scenario of not re-downloading the whole thing again and wasting tor network bandwidth.
velope
with wget you need -c
tven
Well I only usually have failed downloads if the speed is so slow that it takes hours/is close to trickling off
velope
curl is probably better
cacahuatl
it also has native socks support, so no torsocks required
tven
velope: Got a link for how to use curl, and use it with Tor?
suelin
what are you trying to do
velope
"man curl"
ferrite
perhaps at this stage it'd be better to have an intro to using the commandline, this isn't meant to be patronising, :) - http://blog.pluralsight.com/linux-command-line-101
tven: ^
kvm234
sex parties hosted by drug cartels overseas for agents http://www.c-span.org/video/?325364-1/house-oversight-hearing-justice-department-conduct-issues
ferrite
I'm sure there are better guides available, but this shows a few useful examples
kvm234
sorry wrong room damn
tven
ferrite: So in other words, don't bother with curl for now
ferrite
oh hey, give it a go, but you might feel better knowing how to also navigate around whilst on a cli
velope
no really, curl is awesome
tven
Then I need a guide for its use, and its use with Tor
velope
the tor part is just " --socks5-hostname 127.0.0.1:9150"
tven
Well kinda a pain if I got to keep that text around to copy past over and over,
velope
there are more convenient ways of using the commandline
ferrite
most cli tools have a 'man' page, once you know how to use one or two, they all follow fairly easily
velope
but i give up for now
qwerty1
curl by default sends the file to stdout :)
btw i raced wet and curl under controlled test conditions, wget consistently won
wget
tven
Is there a way to have menu showing by default?
clue
http://vlr2s4g731zw6yim.onion <-- people will too much time on their hands or....?
kernelcorn
what is that
suelin
a tor hidden service
kernelcorn
onion addresses are like URL shorteners, it's a surprise every time you click!
clue
kernelcorn: you should try thinking of it as "it's your birthday and you're opening presents everytime you click a link"
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