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jjweiss
there's also KISS Privacy for chromium, although admittedly I don't know whether or not it works with the mobile versions
breadtube
umatrix + chrome. definitely a must for tor use, as the extension allows blocking "behind the scenes" network traffic
cacahuatl
Tor Browser if you care about anonymity and not just blocking ads :)
breadtube
they are both great software for their respective uses
whitanne_
How does Tor Metrics know where users are from? https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html
kernelcorn
because entry/guard nodes know users' IP addresses. It's easy enough to check them against a geo-ip database
whitanne_
isn't that bad?
kernelcorn
no, it's perfectly fine
you have to reveal your IP to someone because that's the way TCP/IP works
fortunately, entry nodes don't know the content you are sending over Tor
whitanne_
do they keep the IPs?
         

qwerty1
no
kernelcorn
also, your computer only chooses a few entry nodes, so you are limiting your exposure
cacahuatl
https://metrics.torproject.org/about.html see the FAQ here, whitanne_
arma
qwerty1
iirc it isn't exactly how kernelcorn described
arma
but yes, the faq on the metrics page should answer too
qwerty1
from the linked paper:
There are several sets of guiding principles which can be followed when collecting statistics in an anonymity network. These include: legal requirements, user privacy, ethical approval, informed consent, and community acceptance.
^absolutely, and that is as true as ever today
all of those
s/can/should/
arma
"it depends". i'd suggest that legal requirements might be hte first to go, since they're often poorly suited for actual situations, and also, whose laws?
but yes, i agree in general.
qwerty1
We cannot gather any statistical data in the Tor network that is against the law. This limitation becomes even more complicated because data collection needs to take place at multiple locations in the Tor network which
are subject to different laws. Therefore, in order to be safe, data collection should be performed on the lowest common denominator of the various laws of countries with measuring nodes.
Jermaine
Anyone know of an .onion site called Pictures of Me?
anyone? damn
rilben
oftc is getting spammed
pancake_battery
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gabre
hey
yesterday I have found two "things" namely i2p and Freenet, please tell me some words about them from the point of view of a Tor expert
i2p seems to me as a toy
I have not tried freenet yet
whitanne_
freenet is mainly for decentralized file sharing
i2p is anonymity network without access to clearnet unless you use an outproxy with it
s/is/is an/
kernelcorn
different design goals and threat models
gabre
when using i2p I configured an outproxy
whitanne_
most outproxies don't work anymore, if they do they're probably really slow because lots are probably using it.
gabre
they work but they are too too too slow
but as far as I know it they are not as reliable as Tor exit nodes
(or I havent found enough info)
why would I use a network without access to the clearnet?
whitanne_
well i2p wasn't designed to be used for clearnet, outproxies are just something cool you can do with i2p
gabre
(by the way it was also slow when using with eepSites)
         

whitanne_
you can torrent with i2p which is something you can't (shouldn't) do with tor
gabre
I see
but for example there are so so few eepSites
by the way I have only found a dozen of onion sites which are usable (no porn, no sh*t)
what is the best "safe search" for Tor?
whitanne_
a search engine for tor?
gabre
yes
there are some
Tichodroma
do you want to search the normal web or onion sites?
gabre
onion sites only but in a "safe manner"
Tichodroma
what is that?
gabre
think of google's safe search
Tichodroma
I don't use Google
gabre
then think of DuckDuckGo's safe search :)
Tichodroma
you mean that the results shall be filtered?
gabre
yep
whitanne_
gabre: http://hss3uro2hsxfogfq.onion/
gabre
notEvil, thanks
whitanne_
no problem
Tichodroma
this does not seem to have filtering
whitanne_
what do you mean by filtering?
Tichodroma
gabre: what do *you* mean by "safe manner" (in detail)
gabre
in mean that porn should not be listed and explicit content (I know that this is hard in case of onion sites)
Tichodroma
notEvil does not do this kind of filtering
gabre
I would like to search for example for interesting articles/writings (political, radical, anything)
religious texts which are banned from normal web
Tichodroma
banned? how?
whitanne_
ah well i just suggested notEvil because it seems to provide really good search results
gabre
there are some smaller religions which do not have big homepages and thousands of users for example satanism
if you want to read about the topic you have to go to hidden pages, usually
you can find information about such topics on the clearnet too, but the "experts" of these topics usually hide, not because the topic is illegal but it is not accepted by the society
that is why I think I will find this in the .onion domain
what do you think about my opinion?
Tichodroma
You may be correct. But this is not on-topic here in #tor
This channel is about Tor, not specific onion sites or topics
gabre
yes, sorry but you asked "banned, how" :)
sorry
Tichodroma
np
gabre
how does one get a Tor entry node? is it possible that I get the same node for 1 day?
coderman_
entry is guard, and they do last days
gabre
it seems that I have not read the appropriate documents on the Tor website well
what does "guard" mean?
ok sorry again - what does guard mean? does it mean that the first node / entry node is the same one for some days?
ghetto
yes
gabre
why is it good that it lasts for a few days?
ghetto
because if you change the guard too often, the probability of picking a bad guard goes up to 1
there's a blog post about that
richmond
how do you install tor in linux?
DrWhax
richmond: which distro are you using?
Tichodroma
do you want to run a Tor node?
or do you want to use the browser?
richmond
DrWhax: a debian derived distro
Tichodroma
richmond
DrWhax: no tor-browser in apt-get
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