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noseeder
wgreenhouse: no i can't
wgreenhouse
noseeder: something is actually wrong, then. that's the official hidden service test page
noseeder
yes
but how can i fix?
I use Windows 10 in Germany with Telekom as Provider
cacahuatl
Hard to say, really, if no websites work at all with a freshly installed and verified copy of the latest Tor Browser doesn't work it's likely something broken in your OS
wgreenhouse
possibly something antivirus-related
cacahuatl
Firewall rules or anti-virus commonly badly interact with Tor Browser
jindra
turning down proxy and redownloading tor might help.
noseeder
i'm back in halve an houre
toker
blah blah
         

miniuser
hi!
wats "oftc" stand for?
Tykling
open free technology something
miniuser
oh?
hi Tykling
Tykling
community
cacahuatl
Try asking in #oftc
miniuser
oftc = OFfThereCord?
OFf-The-reCord?
lol
it doesnt just laser into my mind ^_^
jindra
cacahuatl is just mean to everyone who shows up here, don't worry about it
miniuser
anyways. i just want to say "sorry" and "please forgive me" for rambling the other day about "dns lookups" via tor.
normally i don't do that, say sorry on IRC i mean, but i didn't get a kick or ban so .. here i am .. to say sorry to bother the chan
i normally assume that a "kick" / "ban" means "we have forcefully extracted a sorry from you"
forcefully "sorry" so to speak ^_^
jindra
so you do this more often? :D
miniuser
hi jindra
i'm mostly billiot
like as in "another idiot in billions"
jindra
oh yeah, I know how you feel ^_^
miniuser
soooo ... like overall ... have we (tor users) figured out what kind of officially world improving business is being supressed by the establishment that merrits the economy having to resort to ..uhm ..errr ... "undergroundsness"?
like in short ... what's working on tor ... money wise?
i mean ... obviously the rich are rich and have been for generations ... as in "we have secured the secret secret that goes into the printing press to make money" thus obivously be able to stall production of said screw so to be able to regulate the production of money -or- as in (inplying the previous) we can share information that would upset the previously mentioned order?
i am asking ... because i'm having a hard time figuring this all out : //
sheesh .. maybe i should read before hitting enter ^_^
anyways ... the printing press for moey doesn't work (so to say) because it need a certain screw ... did "tor" help to tell EVERYONE how to make that screw that keeps everyone else (rich and not inproving) in business?
user1111
anyone else use private obfuscated bridge?
miniuser
user1111: not yet
coming soon i guess : (((
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user1111
I saw a paper recently on the false positive rate of all the pluggable transport when doing DPI
miniuser
fu*king palo-alto networks with their funding for deep packet inscpection gear
user1111
obfs3 actually did better than obfs4
miniuser
throw millions at them so they can build a 2 meter cabinate to drop-and-plug a whole countries worth of traffic into and DP-Intrusion in suppressive non american states ...
acctually .. it's rather cool from a non-computer perspective, lol
user1111
at this point hiding tor usage should be top priority
         

miniuser
user1111: i agree
user1111
before the big blackout
TvdW
user1111: do you have a link to that paper?
user1111
google the guy who created FTE
the paper is on his website
he works for google
cacahuatl
The paper leaves questions open, about how well such detection would scale.
user1111
well
cacahuatl
and obfs4 is resistant in ways that obfs3 isn't
user1111
if you've used Tor in the past, they can put your ip address on a list for closer scrutiny
cacahuatl
Trying to hide that you are using Tor has never really been the point of pluggable transports, the idea is to defeat automagic blocking by DPI systems.
TvdW
found it, thanks
user1111
so they don't need to scale at this point
cacahuatl
You won't defeat targeted surveillance.
With any automagic software
At least not to the extent of them not knowing you're using Tor
user1111
and even private bridge are still vulnerable to active probing
cacahuatl
Nope
But your own revisions and papers showing why your pluggable transport will work is of course welcome.
user1111
is obfs4 resistant to active probing?
TvdW
yes
miniuser
user1111: acctually there are probably "good" rich people and "bad" rich people ... it means if the "bad" rich people win, the internet has stalled in the sense that there will be no inovation, but rather a crazy race to fill up the pipes with non-sense (encrypted-ofuscated) traffic. the "bad" riches will come from every expanding pipes to care the same human-readable traffic but overblown much and much more with encryption and ofuscation ... like obfuse2-over-o
user1111
so with obfs4, nobody knows it's a bridge from the outside?
except the user connecting
miniuser
like you will get a apple trippple the size at market but with same caloric value ... wow .. not
TvdW
user1111: it's possible, just a lot harder.
user1111
how is that possible?
they can clearly see your bridge connecting to shady tor servers in germany
TvdW
not if they don't control that network.
user1111
lol
if you're in the US, does it not have to go through the same chokepoint to travel through the Pacific Ocean
TvdW
there's a ticket for that
maybe even code
miniuser
TvdW: knows
user1111
I think having a private bridge is 100% necessary if you want to stay safe
but is there a way to keep it looking benign externally?
have it torrent a bunch of sh*t
miniuser
srsly? GPS or soemthing ... if we can TOR packets "signed" by GPS .. whicha like a very very accurate clock to signs packets all this "having to obfuscate" tor traffic becomes obsolete.
TvdW
like I said, there are tickets :)
user1111
how to keep feds from probing mah bridge?
miniuser
obviously most relais and exits and whatnot don't have a GPS source ^_^
user1111
how do the GFW probe bridges anyway? pretend to be a bridge user or relay?
TvdW
check blog.torproject.org
there's an article
miniuser
even if i cannot tlak to you thru the internet ... if i have a GPS or glosnas or the secret japanese (rocket blew up so don't worry-lie) "gps" i know NOW what time YOU have, lol
user1111
I read a research paper on active probing
miniuser
it's a shared secret?
user1111
they setup a vps inside chinaland
TvdW
active probing doesn't work against obfs4.
user1111
and bridges in singapore, russia and other places
noseeder
wgreenhouse: ok i'm back
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