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pfm
have DDoS attacks ever been launched against onion sites?
VladimirNabokov
Is the only way a user can access an .onion if they run Tor Browser on their local computer?
Not counting "Tor2Web" stuff which is fragile like hell and ruins 90% of the point.
Also not counting the obvious: having Tor running separately on your computer and manually setting up a different browser to use it as a proxy.
I'm trying to figure out if there is any chance that any large number of users will ever be able to access .onions.
Like maybe some popular router or something ships with default support to access .onions now or something.
It would be neat if it worked normally but entered a special "Tor mode" for connections made to .onions.
Maybe doesn't work like that.
qwerty1
firefox could include tor
VladimirNabokov
?
You know very well that Mozilla would never do anything to actually make their users happy.
saper
VladimirNabokov: tor client can do transparent proxying, see TransListenAddress, TransPort etc.
VladimirNabokov
Yeah... um... please re-read my question.
saper
I am not sure I understand fully, but you could ship tor client on a router and transparently proxy connections to the tor network, so the user goes there with minimal setup.
unless you mean transparent access to hidden services only - all other trafic in clear?
cacahuatl
Sounds like a really bad idea. If on my onion website I do '<iframe src="http://example.com/?id=$UUID">' I can tally up the non-proxied clearnet with the onion usage.
and deanonymize onion users, if you're not worried about being deanonymized then use something like tor2web
creating a system that misleadingly fails open is not a good solution to this problem
qwerty1
there are ways around that though
         

torQUES
that's why is better to Forbid <IFRAME> in TBB
cacahuatl
*sigh*
torQUES
I did it! TORques1 [notice] Tor v0.2.7.3-rc (git-9a4cac74fd2f4bb3) running on Linux with Libevent 2.0.22-stable, OpenSSL 1.0.2d and Zlib 1.2.8.
and TORques [notice] Tor v0.2.7.3-rc (git-eb2188168e2eca96) running on Windows XP with Libevent 2.0.22-stable, OpenSSL 1.0.2d and Zlib 1.2.8.
VladimirNabokov
"if you're not worried about being deanonymized then use something like tor2web"
What?
ky
torQUES akuerdas you when we take a disko and Machaka door you sako to hosts and you piss on it?
torQUES
ky? can you translate?
ky
I buenisimo
torQUES yesterday call me your fu*king cell phone and told me to ke do not vejase both
torQUES
sorry buddy, I don't understand swahili
ky
torQUES give me your address, we'll go to the movies I shall put hand on pakete and I'll fu*k your ass
velope
ky: do you have something constructive to say or ask about torproject software? if not, it's time to wander to somewhere else.
torQUES
anyway I put that psycho on ignore
the_the_real_velope
Use the force luke.
the_real_velope
wew
velope it's time to wander to somewhere else
ky irc.volatile.ch
the_the_real_velope
the_real_velope: hi me.
the_real_velope
gtfo nate
the_the_real_velope
gtfo querty2
ncl
but which one is real
the_the_real_velope
ncl: You will never know
like 9/11
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams
ebon
TOR!
the_real_velope
>not using clearnet
         

VladimirNabokov
Is the only way a user can access an .onion if they run Tor Browser on their local computer?
Not counting "Tor2Web" stuff which is fragile like hell and ruins 90% of the point. Also not counting the obvious: having Tor running separately on your computer and manually setting up a different browser to use it as a proxy.
I'm trying to figure out if there is any chance that any large number of users will ever be able to access .onions. Like maybe some popular router or something ships with default support to access .onions now or something.
It would be neat if it worked normally but entered a special "Tor mode" for connections made to .onions. Maybe doesn't work like that.
marcusw
that can certainly be done
cacahuatl
Look at the history of "routers that automagically do Tor", it is not a non-trivial task.
And at best a second-rate solution.
Basically, it'll go wrong and people will get hurt. There are strong reasons to use solutions like Tor Browser or tails and to run the tor client/daemon locally.
marcusw
pretty much, yeah
cacahuatl
*not a trivial task
the_real_velope
basically, it won't conform with the Tor Project's Approved Way Of Doing Things Just Because They Say It Is The Best For Every Tor User
Chocolate_Chip
[20:44:27] <Chocolate_Chip> I reported this a while ago and I got a responsde in the mailing list saying that it was being taken care of, but this still exists
[20:44:28] <Chocolate_Chip> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/tor-browser-bundle/9nblggh1d8hm
the_real_velope
wew
herbst
It's 'Tor', not 'TOR' - Heh, and then there is the Subbreddit, loudly pronouncing it TOR in their title -.-
ky
the_real_velope: ok
the_real_velope
h
Please make IRC safe for ASCII thank you [AMSG]
A_Smith
.
the_real_velope
,
the-real-velope
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ky
yes
torQUES
never seen before:
[warn] connection_edge_process_relay_cell (at origin) failed.
[warn] circuit_receive_relay_cell (backward) failed. Closing.
qwerty1
torQUES: are these warning with 0.2.7.3-rc again?
try the previous version
torQUES
<qwerty1> yes, Tor v0.2.7.3-rc (git-eb2188168e2eca96)
wakazefa
wot happend to the hub?
saper
https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/ down..?
(duckduckgo.com)
evilolive
yup it is
saper
few days already
wakazefa
saper: not the only thing ive noticed offline today
user1234
http://imgbifwwqoixh7te.onion down?
wakazefa
up here
hodgepodge
Could someone give me a hand determining how to send an e-mail to a *@lists.torproject.org mailing list?
Sebastian
hodgepodge: first step would be not to cross-post your question in multiple channels
hodgepodge: For most lists, you need to be registered before you can post
After your signup went through it should work.
hodgepodge
Alright, thanks. I'll see if the issue has been resolved since then.
tylerhudson-crimi
Hi all. First time in here. I've heard of people using bridges when connecting in places like China. Why do they do this? Is it effective? Does it do anything to help protect against Malware, etc.? Or is it just a way of bypassing the great fire wall?
jeang
it is just a way of bypassing the great fire wall
ncl
as well as other, lesser firewalls
ky
depends on what kind of a fireproof suit you have
qwerty1
n.b. if you are using the new 0.2.7.3-rc, be sure to set 'HiddenServiceStatistics 0' in your relay's torrc.
torQUES
roger wilco
Torman
Can someone send me a anonbib.onion, please.
noseeder
hallo i need help to configure tor Browser on Windows 10
wgreenhouse
noseeder: can you be more specific what the problem is?
noseeder
yes
wgreenhouse
please proceed, then
noseeder
https://paste.headstrong.de/view/cb104823
browser starting but no page can be loadet
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