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setori
mwenge: it seems there's no single point (not even three) where i can change column order in the osd, and the code (in torkview) is a little too complicated for me to follow/comprehend and hunt for regression bugs. whatever i try to do produces conflicts (changing order means changing the way vars are handled elsewhere). can you confirm this?
mwenge: torkview.cpp: In member function long unsigned int torkView::readInterfaceNumValue(QString, const char*):
mwenge: torkview.cpp:1291: warning: ignoring return value of int fscanf(FILE*, const char*, ...), declared with attribute warn_unused_result
mwenge: this is what i get while compiling
sorry, i should have used #nottor
BarkerJr
does torbutton work with firefox 4?
mikeperry
what is the status of FF4? is it in beta yet?
or rc?
BarkerJr
beta
dr|z3d
beta 1 released this week.
Probably a couple more beta releases before it hits rc.
Torbutton never works with anything other than release in my experience, BarkerJr.
If you try it on a non-release and your bookmarks disappear.. that's Torbutton ;)
(they haven't disappeared, and disabling Torbutton restores them)
m3ga
if a new version of torbutton is coming out soon, i better submit my patches pretty damn soon :-)
dr|z3d
It won't be, I suspect.. Firefox 4 is a few months away yet.
m3ga
i should get my act in gear anyway
kairu
Help me out? I sudo apt-got torgeoipdb, and then i got polipo, and then put the tor config file for polipo, then got tor button.
now when I try and use Tor by clicking torbutton and going to any site it just says my proxy is refussing the connection
         

dr|z3d
kairu: sounds like tor's not running.
kairu
How do I check?
/usr/sbin$ ./tor
Jul 08 17:35:30.395 [notice] Tor v0.2.1.26. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686)
Jul 08 17:35:30.444 [notice] Initialized libevent version 1.3e using method epoll. Good.
Jul 08 17:35:30.445 [notice] Opening Socks listener on 127.0.0.1:9050
Jul 08 17:35:30.445 [warn] Could not bind to 127.0.0.1:9050: Address already in use. Is Tor already running?
Jul 08 17:35:30.445 [warn] Failed to parse/validate config: Failed to bind one of the listener ports.
Jul 08 17:35:30.445 [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
setori
kairu: fu*k you you moron
kairu
setori: ...?
I don't even... what did I do?
setori
kairu: sorry, that was just a reaction. stop flooding. use pastebin.
kairu
setori: ah, okay.
m3ga
inappropriate response, but " [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above." means tor doesn't ike the config file
thats why tor won't start
kairu
I copied it verbatim from Tor's site
http://pastebin.com/sZumrcgc
What do I change?
setori
kairu: run "netstat -nl --tcp | grep 905"
dr|z3d
ps -a |grep tor works fine, too.
setori
kairu: and paste the output here IF it's two lines or less
kairu
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:9050 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
setori
kairu: so it's already running, indeed
kairu
So, the problem is with polipo?
setori
dr|z3d: too many potential "ediTORs" and stuff :)
kairu: yes. since polipo comes first, the browser message that proxy is "refusing connection" can only refer to polipo.
kairu
How do I fix it? My config file is fine, isn't it?
setori
kairu: unless the message is generated by polipo itself, which i doubt
kairu
No, it's a firefox error msg
setori
i'm a privoxy guy anyway :)
dr|z3d
Make sure you have Torbutton configured for the right port.. defaults work.. some confuse 9050 (correct) and 9051 (wrong).
         

kairu
...Not 8118?
setori
dr|z3d: doesn't it use 8118 anyway?
dr|z3d
Oh, sure, my bad..
8118 it should be.. that is, assuming you have polipo configured correctly.
setori
is your proxy 127.0.0.1:8118 in torproxy?
dr|z3d
If you've just downloaded a stock polipo, then it won't work.
setori
dr|z3d: he posted a config file that seemed ok
dr|z3d
Okeydoke.
Then perhaps polipo isn't using it.
kairu
torproxy? torbutton, you mean?
setori
torbutton, heh :)
kairu
firefox is set up right now for 127.0.0.1:8118
in the proxy settings
dr|z3d
Firefox is, or Torbutton is?
setori
does torbutton show the same?
kairu
I toggle on torbutton and my FF proxy settings use 127.0.0.1:8118
and my polipo config file says "proxyPort = 8118"
setori
replace socksParentProxy = "localhost:9050" with socksParentProxy = "127.0.0.1:9050"
just in case
kairu
still nothing
setori
i would try privoxy if i were you. this way i might at least isolate the problem.
kairu
okay
setori
also, paste: ps -a | grep polipo
or better "netstat -nl --tcp | grep 8118"
kairu
hm. would having i2p running through all of this be the problem?
setori
through all of what?
kairu
trying to use tor
setori
this shouldn't be a problem
kairu
ok
setori
but privoxy can help, as i explained
privoxy's config file must include "forward-socks5 / 127.0.0.1:9050 ." (add the trailing dot too!)
if privoxy won't work, i'll blame your toying with i2p :)
plus maybe some firewalling?
kairu
<3 privoxy
"Congratulations. You are using Tor."
Now I can leak the footage of the aliens my government has been trying to suppress
Thank you very much sir/maam.
setori
kairu: i love privoxy. it's much better than polipo. it has a lot more features and almost all its disadvantages have been eliminated.
kairu: you're welcome.
i hope soon the tor bundle will switch to privoxy
dr|z3d
Not happpening.
polipo is now the default. privoxy has been obsoleted.
(privoxy used to be the preferred proxy)
setori
because it's a bit slower?
or is it because it's too complex?
dr|z3d
because it offers features now covered by Torbutton, and yes, it's more bloated.
setori
it also offers features not covered by torbutton
dr|z3d
With the advent of Torbutton, all Tor needs is a dumb proxy. Features not offered by Torbutton are covered with other addons.
setori
also, probably torbutton will never cover all browsers
some features must stay proxy-level
dr|z3d
If you're serious about anonymity, you use Firefox.
setori
are there plans to support chrome too?
dr|z3d
None as far as I'm aware.. mikeperry's the Torbutton dev.
chrome itself isn't very good when it comes to privacy.
setori
well, i meant chromium
actually some chromium fork
dr|z3d
chromium's a bit of a niche product.
setori
i thought chromium was the only chrome for *nix
dr|z3d
Then you need to update your knowledge. :)
Available for Windows, OS X and Linux seems to suggest otherwise..
phobos
there are plenty of plans for chrome integration
right now it requires a slew of apis and fixes to chrome before we can even attempt it
setori
i think we should implement as many things as possible proxy-level (in privoxy), then allow browser extensions to be as simple and browser-specific as possible. this will simplify the creation of many extensions.
dr|z3d
So, vaporware, then, phobos. Good to know. :)
phobos
yes
we've thought about it a bit
talked to google about it a bit
dr|z3d
How one defangs a built in keylogger will be interesting to see.
phobos
and can't really do much without google's help
setori
phobos: what do you think about my suggestion (my previous message)
Goldstein
is that just wrt chrome?
phobos
that's just chrome/chromium
dr|z3d
I can't see google bending over backwards to accomodate Tor in their browser, tbh.
phobos
we'll find out soon enough
google's a big place, they also have paranoids working for them
Goldstein
Well my 2 cents is, you should keep tor as far away from google as possible
setori
dr|z3d: not being limited to one browser is important. so privoxy may help. :)
phobos
privoxy needs a complete rewrite
setori
phobos: is it *that* messy?
dr|z3d
setori: Not really. Think of Tor more as a platform, with Firefox as a cross-platform piece of the pie.
Goldstein
no dependency on anything google
phobos
you're crossing thoughts
tor doesn't have dependencies on google
lots of people want torbutton for chrome
Goldstein
it could start to if torbutton for chrome was out
dr|z3d
Goldstein: Tor's already funded by google to some degree.. so you can't totally cut those links.
phobos
in order to make "incognito" mode actually incognito, it needs lots of work
setori
dr|z3d: how do you mean tor is funded by google?
phobos
yeah, enlighten me too
;)
dr|z3d
They pay for pet vaporware projects, etc. :)
thandy comes to mind.
Oh, and..
(Action) laughs.
phobos
yes, in 2008 google funded thandy
dr|z3d
Ever heard of GSOC, phobos?
setori
dr|z3d: i don't think it will *ever* be in google's best interest to add anonymity to the definition of "incognito"
phobos
if you seriously think gsoc corrupts tor, well, good luck
dr|z3d
Now _you're_ corrupting the discussion, phobos. Who mentioned corruption? Certainly not I.
phobos
it was implied
dr|z3d
I merely said Tor's _funded_ by google to some degree.
No it wasn't.
In your imagination, maybe.
phobos
yes, we get $3k from google for gsoc
dr|z3d
There you go..
(Action) chuckles.
phobos
we also get 4 coders to work on stuff
setori
are you two implying it would ever be reasonable to suspect that our devs would add a google backdoor to tor for the right amount of many?
dr|z3d
Whatever. My _only_ point was that Tor is a recipient of Google cash, and as such totally nuking Google's input into Tor is "not going to happen" (tm).
Where you extrapolate some consipracy about corruption and so forth I have no idea, phobos, but after you on the reefer, eh? ;)
Goldstein
I think what would happen is you'd build tools that relied on google somewhow only to be taken in a direction where google's ad BS interferes with tor's purpose and then a lot of pain would result
setori
on the other hand, indeed, at least philosophically, google is Tor's Greatest Enemy
phobos
unlikely to happen, ever
dr|z3d
Right. Google is first and foremost in the business of selling ads. Everything they do can be seen through that prism.
If Chrome wasn't about better leveraging their ad platform, it wouldn't exist.
Goldstein
Their business model conflicts completely with tor's goals
phobos
well, not exactly
setori
phobos: what's unlikely to happen?
phobos
one of tor's goals is to give users control over what info they divulge on the internet
if they wan't to use tor to login to google stuff, great
same with yahoo, msn, etc
setori: that we'll ever put a backdoor into tor
i could see a scenario where someone puts guns to our heads and says do it
Goldstein
but google specifically wants to know everything about you including where you are and what your system info is.
phobos
and we do it
and then tell the world and shut down tor
setori
phobos: i'm quite sure about this much anyway. that's why i put it like "would ever be reasonable to *suspect*". :)
dr|z3d
Might as well sack everyone now and disband the project.. a back door in Tor will be the kiss o' death to the project. As phobos states, ain't happnin'.
phobos
Goldstein: and if people want to use tor to do that, great
the point is the control as at the user end, not the google end
i've been on networks and in countries where I completely don't trust anything and use tor to login to my bank
Goldstein
tor fundamentally hides that stuff
phobos
because the exit node is less risky than the network
like, hong kong's free wifi
;)
dr|z3d
Anything free comes with a price attached.
phobos
or like the europarl "free" wifi
that gave you routable ipv4 and ipv6 addresses
you just had to register a mac address to get the addresses
..and get surveilled and recorded fully
setori
to me, tor (and anonymity in general) is not just a tool, but more like a complex and far-reaching ideology
dr|z3d
It's the practical enshrinement of a fundamental human right. Privacy.
setori
"evolutionarily" speaking, anonymity is to open source what the open source business model (taken collectively) is to apple's business model
well, imho
dr|z3d
Doesn't compute.
I'm sure there's a valid point in there somewhere, but it's not being expressed cogently.
setori
anonymity takes freedom to the next evolutionary step
it *is* expressed cogently, except that the analogy was a little too distant
dr|z3d: does it make sense now?
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