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MoiraA
tomaw? still there?
I think you're part of a horrible network is all I can say (not this one)
freenode gives a whole new meaning to the word "hyprocritical"
arma
at least the actually horrible irc networks admit they're horrible? but they don't.
MoiraA
they just allow known spammers/troublemakers to evade klines
it's getting like animal farm
"all users are equal but some are more equal than others" is their motto
they're going against their own rules now
discriminating and not treating everyone the same
arma
could be. #tor on oftc isn't the place to discuss it though.
we need some rational dedicated people to help freenode handle their tor users. and i guess they need to be people that freenode already trusts.
MoiraA
doesn't make any difference arma
they'll let key figures from gnaa connect as themselves
kline evading openly
yet other people aren't given that freedom
phobos
freenode should just die
MoiraA
very good idea phobos
phobos
if you don't want to support tor, then don't
don't pretend you care than the make it suck
MoiraA
what?
         

phobos
err, crossed thoughts there
MoiraA
this isn't about tor
phobos
it's their attitude towards anything they have determined they don't like
MoiraA
exactly and it's getting worse
I cannot believe Rucas is allowed to come on the server freely with every oper knowing who he is ..... and they fear tor
it doesn't make sense
phobos
from experience, they can block tor all they like, but it hasn't stopped their spamming/bot problems
MoiraA
they're a study in hypocrisy
totally
this is what I'm saying
they aren't even trying to
it isn't tor users who were spamming
tor wasnt used at all
phobos
anyway, we've tried to help
arma still wants to help
MoiraA
I know
phobos
others have given up
MoiraA
cannot blame them
it's like banging your head off a brick wall
arma
it's kind of moot since lilo died
MoiraA
definitely :(
phobos
the point is to go around the wall, not keep banging into it
MoiraA
I was close to lilo
I got the first tor cloak :(
ilter
Hello. In which situations a circuit id is 0?
I'm looking ids of circuits which are establishing over me but they're always 0.
arma
you mean circuits that use you as a relay?
ilter
Yes
arma
the control protocol isn't very informative for relays currently
see the or-dev discussion around atagar's proposal to fix that
ilter
Which one?
arma
archives.seul.org/or/dev/
         

ilter
I don't look circuit ids via control-port. I put some logs in source codes but they always show 0 for circuit ids.
arma
ah. then you are probably printing the wrong thing.
ilter
I'm printing "circuit id: %d", circ->n_circ_id". Is it wrong?
circuit_t *circ
arma: Which variable can be used for circuit id? Is circ->n_circ_id wrong?
jlee
Hi
Could I run tor after a SOCK5 proxy?
anyone there?
Help
katmagic
This is IRC.
Answers don't come instantaneously.
It's kind of like praying.
Anyway. Do you mean that you want to route Tor's connections (to routers) through a SOCKS5 proxy?
jlee
Yes
I have HTTP proxy, but ISP has powerful GFW there
katmagic
Put "Socks5Proxy proxyhost:proxyport" in your torrc.
jlee
Great, I will give it a try
katmagic
Also, "Socks5ProxyUsername username" and "Socks5ProxyPassword password' if you need those.
mar-z
would allowing an arbitrary RSA key length for a hidden service bee tricky to do?
jlee
What does it mean? "No current certificate known for authority urras; launching request.
It hangs there for long
kat?
katmagic
Well, it doesn't have a certificate known for the directory authority urras, so it's requesting it from the other authorities
.
(Probably.)
jlee
Thx
Woops
It seems tor does not recognize socks5 proxy
When I add the option to the rc file in my own home directory
It reports error
katmagic
What error does it report?
jlee
6 23 22:53:49.512 [Warning] Failed to parse/validate config: Unknown option 'Socks5Proxy'. Failing.
6 23 22:53:49.511 [Notice] Tor v0.2.1.22. This is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on Linux i686)
katmagic
mar-z: Run `openssl genrsa -out <outfile> <keysize>`, then put <outfile> in HiddenServiceDir/private_key.
mar-z
i tired
correct perms, and all it fails to work.
katmagic
Really? Interesting. What error does it give?
mar-z
let me check..
chrisd
jlee: you'll need tor 0.2.2.x to connect thru a socks proxy; i don't think 0.2.1.x supports that
jlee
chrisd, thanks. where to find 0.2.2.x?
I am running Fedora 12
Install from repos is the 0.2.1
mar-z
katmagic, how can i make it reoad the config, i tired kill -HUP
katmagic
Use fc12-experimental instead of fc12 in /etc/yum.repos.d/torproject.repo.
kill -HUP should do it, though I don't know if it reloads hidden service keys as well.
chrisd
jlee: ^^^ what katmagic said, https://www.torproject.org/docs/rpms.html.en
katmagic
mar-z: genrsa works for me with a keysize of 512.
What keysize are you using?
Oh.
marz
katmagic, tor refuses to run with it. my other installation of tor ran it fine, however the service as unreachable
katmagic
Yeah, it stopped working for me, too.
It took a little while to die, though.
marz
yeah
i dont think its a problem for most users
katmagic
What key size are you trying?
marz
most keylength guides say 1024 bit RSA is fine for a few more years
2048
i had it working yesterday with 4096
however, the service was unreachable
I still think a work force of 2**82 is scary (that is what is required to break RSA 1024) , roughly. Right now its (mostly) impractical. However, in a few years..
it1sasecret
is anyone using pfsense?
hello everyone
anyone chatting public or all in private chats?
katmagic
Hello.
If no one's responded, it's likely that no one who's seen your question is running pfSense.
it1sasecret
ahh, i actually got that issue fixed, is there a forum to share my solution?
katmagic
There's the or-talk mailing list. http://archives.seul.org/or/talk/
jlee
[B
it1sasecret
thank you, do you know if it possible to run tor and allow certain applications to bypass it?
for example i am running software called playon server which hosts hulu and netflix through upnp and tor hinders it's bandwith greatly
but i would like to stay on as a relay for others
katmagic
Hmmm. You can try the Bandwidth related options in your torrc.
pf has QoS control and such, though I've no idea if it plays well with Tor.
it1sasecret
i was thinking about the bandwith options but theres no way to individualy disable applications like you would on a firewall rules?
katmagic
I
'm not sure what you mean by that.
Applications don't use Tor unless you configure them to.
it1sasecret
alright i feel like an idiot now, it was just a coincidence that i needed to update the playon server application
i'm sorry, thanks for attempting to help me though
the bandwith is back to normal on the application now
is it possible to be a relay and also a bridge?
katmagic
It would be pointless.
The point of a bridge is to allow users to use Tor without looking like they use Tor, and if you're also a relay it would look like you use Tor.
it1sasecret
i see, i'm trying to help as much as possible, i like projects with these intentions
katmagic
You could if you ran them on different IPs.
it1sasecret
what about the hidden services? are those just passive ways of running tor or something else?
katmagic
Yeah, hidden services look just like clients. They're awesomer, though. :-)
it1sasecret
lol, which supports the cause more?
lol, you know how theres the push for internet 2.0, we could just create our own 3.0 through this style of network and leave the mainstream to block themselves
jlee
kat,
It works now
katmagic
Well, running an exit relay helps the majority of users the most. Running a hidden service (with interesting content) will help bring more people into Hidden Service World which will (possibly) cause an avalanche effect helping to get censored people aware of them, and also introduce more people to Tor, getting more relays. Running a bridge probably helps the Chinese/Iranian users the most, because that allows them to access the network, b
jlee
But I have a stupid question, tor is a SOCKS server?
katmagic
You could use multiple IPs and do one of each.
jlee
How can I use it as HTTP proxy?
it1sasecret
ahh so the hidden service is for say an employee at an alphabet agency?
time warner is a crook when it comes to ips they want you to become business class for 2+ ips which means they take more of your dignity
katmagic
jlee: Yes, it is a SOCKS server. No, you cannot use it as an HTTP proxy. You can use Polipo, however, which is an HTTP proxy that can relay traffic through a SOCKS proxy.
it1sasecret
do you use the polipo as your proxy?
katmagic
Yes, after you configure it to use Tor.
it1sasecret
hey kat would wikileaks be an example of a hidden service?
katmagic
Well, ekaeai5yqrjmtfco.onion is.
wikileaks.org, however, is not.
It probably should be, though.
it1sasecret
so a hidden service is basically a virtual safehouse to meet and discuss what some would deem questionable matter?
katmagic
Essentially. The purpose of a hidden service is to hide the *service*, not the user.
it1sasecret
lol thats ironic that wikileaks isn't, i found torproject from a link on their twitter
katmagic
Well, if it *was* a hidden service, you wouldn't be able to access it without running Tor (or using a non-anonymous proxy like tor2web.com).
it1sasecret
thanks so much for these clarifications, i'm gonna try to set up a machine whos sole purpose is a hidden service
kind of like a secured vpn, without the credentials theres not access
that comment was aimed at why wikileaks isn't a hidden service
katmagic
Basically. I think that the existence of hidden services isn't actually hidden, though I'm not totally sure that this is the case. If you want only authorized clients to be able to connect, you should use the HiddenServiceAuthorizeClient option.
phobos
wl used to have a hidden service
when they redid their infrastructure, they took it all down
it1sasecret
thats right i noticed it looked different as of late
now quick question is this irc line going through tor, or are we public right now
evidently public, i just saw my ip in my info
katmagic
This is on a publicly accessible server. I'm on the hidden service interface to it, you're not. ;p
it1sasecret
so you're safe but i'm hanging with the wolves?
lol
katmagic
You also have your real name (presumably) in your real name field, so it wouldn't matter much if you *were* using Tor.
it1sasecret
lol no, i use tom jones all the time
you know tom jones the old musician
katmagic
(Action) wikipedias.
it1sasecret
hes not a favorite of mine, i've just always like the alias, and only women over 40 really like him
which is not a jab at him nor the women over 40 :)
katmagic
I see. Apparently he had an album out this year.
wiggles
Hey, if i want to add more directory authorities, do i just add their Directory Authority lines to each tor relay/client config files?
They´d be different finger prints and such?
I´m on a private tor testing network.
katmagic
Yeah. You should also probably set `TestingTorNetwork 1`.
it1sasecret
has anyone else noticed in the states about a year or two ago there were ad-hocs in the citys with the citys name then "On Demand" after them? i noticed they still exist but are now hidden, anyone think about venturing into one of these?
katmagic
Alternate Tor networks?
it1sasecret
no i believe they were the networks for the local law enforcements and representatives to use when out around the city
odd thing though, one in particular that i may or may not have had run ins with was running upto 10mbps
i believe the larger cities had them first, and the one i heard of was in a smaller area
its just an idea but they may have some interesting things on them
katmagic
That's so bizarre. So they were running private Tor instances?
it1sasecret
no, no, sorry i gave that impression, well actually they could have i saw on the torprojects main page that law enforcement has used tors
i think they're just the wireless vpn style of networks for city employees
what i was getting at though is that they should be everywhere in the states in the areas that have decent wireless infrastructure, and with the fact that the individuals using them are people too and people make mistakes there might be some information hanging around in them
katmagic
Hmm. That's odd, do you have any links about this? Also, #nottor.
wiggles
Thanks katmagic
Does anyone know freenode´s tor policy of late?
I remember a while back they just banhammar´d everything.
katmagic
They claim to support Tor through a hidden service, but make it prohibitively difficult for Tor users to actually use it.
wiggles
How´s that?
registering the PGP key you mean?
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