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Kal
You know. It would be nice to have a Tor module for Tomato firmware.
Although, I don't know if inexpensive routers have the memory and processing capacities for Tor.
dr|z3d
You can probably deploy it manually.
If you want a formal module, contact the tomato devs.
Kal
gaaah
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 22354 (/website/trunk): add barkerjr's rsync mirrors.
BarkerJr
:)
lamefun
hello
BarkerJr
lo
lamefun
Any ways to protect my passwords from reading by the end-node?
BarkerJr
use https
you should always use https for passwords even when not using tor
         

joebob
I've been told that it's not smart to use P2P (Gnutella, FastTrack, etc) over Tor. Is this for reasons other than just the obvious slowness?
Or, is it accurate, for that matter?
Trystero
generally don't expect anonymity with p2p clients be it over Tor or not.
joebob
Wow. Why is that?
Trystero
coz of being peer to peer ;)
joebob
But, if you're going through Tor, shouldn't the ip other peer's connect to when connecting to "you" be not yours?
And, when you connect to them, shouldn't they see a connection from an ip other than yours?
Trystero
if you can confidently tell that your p2p client will forward a clean headers then it's fine but expect its useless as you couldn't get the desirable speed.its frustratingly soooo slow.but then again even a clean header i suspect that i can still find you. but i might be totally wrong ;)
why don't you just tunnel your connection and have your desirable download fix.
joebob
Hmm. So, *in theory* you think a Tor-aware P2P client could be made such that it was pretty secure, but in practice no such P2P client is likely to exist currently?
What do you mean by "tunnel my connection?"
Trystero
tunneling i guess not within this channel's topic. you could try the nottor guys :)
joebob
Ah. You mean like ssh tunneling. I'm with you.
Hmm. Well, thanks for the info. It's a great help. :)
Kal
If I am in a country that censors the Internet, would it help the Tor network the most by running a relay or by running a bridge?
(I'm guessing that exit node is not a good idea in a censoring country.)
yanghong
Kal, both relay and bridge, but not exit node.
http://pastebin.com/fw9v3E8M
here is a sample tor config file from @chenshaoju
which is hosted at torserver.cn
Kal
Interesting. :)
yanghong
s/If I am/I am/; :)
Kal
:)
China - The largest LAN on Earth.
ToXBoT
Kal, rather MAN =)
misc
I would say NAN ( nation area network )
Kal
".cn" stands for "censored network", right?
ToXBoT
misc, Agree!
Kal, I thought Canada.
Kal, Or China :P
Kal
no, that's ".ca", which stands for "Canada, eh?"
ToXBoT
Bleh, China is ".ch"
(Action) googles.
         

Kal
Why is it that the Vidalia-created torrc leaves out many directives?
.ch is switzerland
ToXBoT
(Action) hides.
yanghong
keep it simple and stupid, imo
Kal
geoipfile... hmm
Where would I obtain one?
dr|z3d
Kal: Vidalia's torrc _only_ lists the directives you're using. You can refer to your original torrc or backup for the full rundown. The geoip db will download when you first run Vidalia/Tor, so you should see it soon enough.. flags in your network map view indicates you have it.
yanghong
dr|z3d, vidalia uses different format geoip data file with tor?
http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org/pool/main/t/tor/tor-geoipdb_0.2.2.13-alpha-1_all.deb
download this file and decompress it with winrar, then you will find a geoip file for tor
I'm not sure if winrar can recognize .deb file. :(
dr|z3d
Not needed.
Vidalia/Tor will itself automagically download a geoip db.
yanghong
thk, got it
Kal
dr|z3d: that's odd. After adding the ExcludeNodes directive, the message log in Vidalia shows that Tor can't find the geoip file. The geoip file has been there all along; it's just that the Tor starts looking for it in the wrong directory as soon as the ExcludeNodes directive is present.
dr|z3d
Kal: Odd, that.. never seen that behvaior before.
yanghong
GeoIPFile D:\Software\Tor\geoip
Apply 'GeoIPFile
Apply 'GeoIPFile' before ExcludeNodes ?
Kal
yanghong: I did.
no
I mean
dr|z3d
Well, either that's a bug, or user error is involved. I reserve judgement as to which at this juncture.
Kal
The first time I tried adding ExcludeNodes without adding the GeoIPFile directive, and Tor starts looking for the geoip file in the wrong directory. As soon as I put in the GeoIPFile directive before ExcludeNodes, it's OK again.
dr|z3d
There's a moral in there somewhere ;)
Kal
dr|z3d: I assume that the already existing geoip file was downloaded by tor the first time I connected to tor, so why isn't tor looking in the directory where it saved the geoip file in the first place?
dr|z3d
Possibly because you've set the wrong datadir in Vidalia?
Kal
Does Tor ever update the geoip file?
dr|z3d
Vidalia by default uses its own torrc and location, and Tor's data dir.
Kal
dr|z3d: I never touched datadir in Vidalia.
dr|z3d
Well, you have it working now, right?
We could navel gaze all day, though it won't help us much. :)
Kal
Well, it appears that the geoip file I'm currently using dates from 2009-06-19, which is possibly not as up to date as it should be.
dr|z3d
It's the free version of the db.
There is a commercial version which is much more accurate.. it may be that we transition to that in time, if we can square the licensing.
Kal
I see.
Is it from MaxMind?
dr|z3d
yes
Kal
So if I (ever) have too much money to spend and decide to buy my own geoip file, how do I keep tor from overwriting it with the older one available on the Tor network?
dr|z3d
Specify a different data dir, migrate the relevant bits to it, Tor won't then touch it.
I *think* that would work.. you might also just write protect the db file.
Kal
binary format, not csv format, right?
dr|z3d
You have the file there, open in in your favorite text editor. Some questions you can answer yourself. :)
Kal
Looks csv to me.
awww
The tor one is csv, but it's got a different format than the free csv available from MaxMind.
More rows than OpenOffice.org can support. :( More steps to convert from one format to another.
murble
(Action) hands Kal a copy of awk
Kal
murble: it's ok, I did it by splitting the file first with a plain text editor (which supports more than 2^16 rows).
shahn
Kal: see the geoipfile config option (or whatever it is called), just point you tor to something not touched by your package
Kal: tor just transitionedto maxmind's free db
Kal
shahn: so it supports both old and new formats now?
shahn
no
the format didn't change
we convert it
we're exploring options for relays to have better geoip data
where better mostly meand more up to date
Kal
I see.
I gotta run. TTYL
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 22355 (/website/trunk): fix the EE country code.
or: phobos committed revision 22356 (/website/trunk/en): update the directions for running a mirror. we need to completely
or: rework mirrors altogether.
Hulligan
hello
this is the tor help channel?
is somebody online?
Sebastian
maybe
Hulligan
sebastian hello
dr|z3d
Hulligan: Hit us with a support question and we'll come to life :)
Hulligan
look, im having a problem with tor (duh...) im trying to connect to a "hidden web" with that .onion. stuff
but a message appear
formalist
really?
Hulligan
yeah im copying the message
dr|z3d
If it's a couple of lines, paste here.. any more, please pastebin.
Hulligan
this kind of web, that use tor2web.com
formalist
oh?
Hulligan
500 Internal Privoxy Error
Could not load template file forwarding-failed or one of its included components.
formalist
that message is coming from tor2web.com.
Hulligan
yeah
i mean, i want to connect to this web
http://anonym.to/http://xqz3u5drneuzhaeo.onion/users/zvc/imgboard/
im changing the word "onion" for tor2web.com like the guide says
i have the onion in green, and in the firefox the tor "on" too
formalist
don't use tor2web.com if it doesn't work.
Sebastian
if you have Tor working, there's no need for tor2web
formalist
you can connect to the onion address using the tor software.
Hulligan
okay
formalist
hm... also...
Hulligan
okay
now another thing
504 Connect to hkfjbmo2rdjun56b.onion:80 failed: SOCKS error: host unreachable
Sebastian
Tor should tell you something in its logfile
formalist
Hulligan. that's not tor2web.com you're using either apparently. tor2web's syntax is <hash>.tor2web.com/<path>
Hulligan. hkfjbmo2rdjun56b.onion is down.
Hulligan
okay
i just get in, in the web
the problem was the tor2web stuff
formalist
anonym.to isn't tor2web.com, though.
Hulligan
uhm
im going to ask something and i hope dont be banned
wait
im still having this problem
504 Connect to oldd6th4cr5spio4.onion:80 failed: SOCKS error: host unreachable
when that appears the site is down right?
formalist
i guess it's down tempoarily.
no. actually it's just down.
it means the hidden service descriptor doesn't even exist in the DHT.
"host unreachable."
Hulligan
uh ok
well
thanks my friends
bye bye
nsa
or: [ernie/master] 2010-05-17 12:53:26 Karsten Loesing <karsten.loesing@gmx.net>: Write monthly user numbers to .csv files.
JdGordon
is it possible to set the exit nodes on the android app?
Sebastian
nope
JdGordon
is it out of the question? or just not done yet?
Sebastian
Tor's support for that is pretty buggy currently, so spending time getting the UI up and running now is kind of wasted effort
OFFShare
Here is a patchset i made. Its for a clean tor-0.2.2.13-alpha. It excludes all ExcludeNodes/ExcludeExitNodes from a path.
There are lots of log_warn, thes are important to get a clean picture what circs are build.
download: http://paste.debian.net/73416
read the remarks and changenotes at the beginning. At the end are some log-warn that shows the full path..
and this comment line is wrong, all crics with n-hops are handled corretly. // not solved is the n-hop circ list, where n > 3.
nsa
or: [tor/master] 2010-05-17 16:20:52 Nick Mathewson <nickm@torproject.org>: Make rotate_request_period use BEGIN/END versions of FOREACH
Sebastian
the country selection tradeoffs aren't well understood
OFFShare
if entry and exit is in the same country, the adversary has 10 minutes time to run a timing attack.
Travellor007
hello i'm new in tor. how can i go i now to another server?
bja
Travellor007: that is client dependant
Travellor007
xchat
bja
look at xchat site they have a nice tuto for it
Travellor007
i've done every step of the tuto i read but at last it says i only have to choose a server
this tuto: http://board.planetpeer.de/index.php?topic=912.0
bja
What server do you want to use? Does it ban tor?
Travellor007
37lnq2veifl4kar7.onion
bja
ok, you are on that server now
Travellor007
yes
it says: You are banned from this server- Due to abuse we currently accept tor connections via our tor-sasl service only. See freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml - questions can be directed to klines@freenode.net
bja
Travellor007: Freenodes is not Tor friendly.
Travellor007
oh
ok
bja
They might say other things, reality says that they are too big a network to have an anonymous service running without people abusing it
Travellor007
i just got a question about network analytics so what channel can i choose on this server for my problem?
does it mean that freenode is so big that there is anonymity without tor?
i dont understand your sentence much
bja
Travellor007: Never mind, I was stating an opinion, not a fact
Travellor007
k
is this the only channel on this server?
Sebastian
/list has the truth
Travellor007
thx
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