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or: [Tor Bug Tracker] #1391 filed by volviendoaca@&: #1391: Can't see the Network Map - http://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1391
or: I downloaded tor a week ago, but since, the network map has never worked,
or: i can see the names of the repeaters, but neither their nationalities nor
or: their location in the map.
or: ( I have vidalia 0.2.7)
Dycey
Hello. I'm having trouble getting tor to work on my Mac. When I enable it I can't go to websites. I'm hoping for some advice, please?
misc
can you explain a little bit more what you do ?
Dycey
Sure and thanks. I launch vidalia and click to enable Tor at the bottom of my Firefox window
When I try to go to any website I get an error message
misc
which say ?
Dycey
sorry - I launched tor to get the error message and it disconnected me from here
This is Privoxy 3.0.6 on localhost (127.0.0.1), port 8118, enabled
That's the message I get
There's a large 503 in the corner and it also saus: Connect failed Your request for http://www.gmail.com/ could not be fulfilled, because the connection to www.gmail.com (127.0.0.1) could not be established. This is often a temporary failure, so you might just try again.
misc
that's weird, there is nothing in vidalia logs windows ?
Dycey
lemme double check - I don't think so though
dr|z3d
Can you browse to any sites?
         

misc
this look like tor isn't started
Dycey
No, if I try to go to any site I get that same message
If I enable tor now it will disconnect me from this irc
dr|z3d
Yeah, something isn't running.
If enabling Tor disconnets you from IRC, something is truly fu*ked with your setup.
misc
he use mibbit
dr|z3d
Ah. Oh dear.
Use a real IRC client!
Dycey
shoot. When I downloaded vidalia onto my Mac I was given the choice of Intel or Power PCC. DOes that metter?
misc
you need to use intel, ( likely )
Dycey
I just had my harddrive wiped at the Mac store - I'm having to start over with program installs
kk - Intel is the one I downloaded
dr|z3d
Yeah, ppc is so last century.
(Action) winks.
Dycey
lol
jed_
@phobos; okay up and in front of mac... polipo isn't starting so what next, any suggestions?
phobos
insert quarters
jed_
LOL okay, but seriously, does one of the config files need to be tweaked in some way?
phobos
no
in fact, i'm on the mac now
arma
jed_: did you have an old vidalia bundle installed, and tried to upgrade?
jed_
no just the latest stable, at least i dondt think i ever prevsiouly had a bundle installed, i may have. there was nothing in the apps dir
phobos
the problem is jed_ moved the binaries after install
so vidalia/tor/polipo get angsty
jed_
okay moved it bac to /applications and changed config to reflect this then restarted vidalia...
phobos
well, you can do it, it's just more advanced
jed_
still polipo even though it's in the defaults dirs
         

phobos
so in ~/Library/Vidalia/vidalia.conf
you have ProxyExecutable=/Applications/Vidalia.app/Contents/MacOS/polipo
ProxyExecutableArguments=-c /Applications/Vidalia.app/Contents/Resources/polipo.conf
jed_
yes
phobos
and you have RunProxyAtStart=true ?
jed_
yes I do
phobos
if you run polipo manually from Terminal, what happens?
as in
/Applications/Vidalia.app/Contents/MacOS/polipo -c /Applications/Vidalia.app/Contents/Resources/polipo.conf
jed_
I just get "Bus error"
then it goes back to my shell prompt
phobos
sweet
nsa
or: arma committed revision 22317 (/projects/roadmaps): add our 2009 nsf proposal for posterity
phobos
you are on ppc or i386?
jed_
@phobos BRB in 30min
phobos
ok
jed_
i386
nsa
or: [Tor Bug Tracker] #1392 filed by ds332@&: #1392: Tobutton Addon interferes with toolbar buttons for add-ons (including its own) - http://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1392
or: If Torbutton 1.2.5 is enabled in Firefox 3.6.3 64 bit Linux additional
or: Firefox windows (either launching a second instance of Firefox or
or: selecting File->New Window) are missing any toolbar buttons for add-ons
or: (such as icons for Flashblock, AdBlock, and Torbutton). The buttons are
or: also missing if a "restart" of Firefox is performed (as opposed to closing[...]
arma
in other news, my debian sarge appears to have decided localhost is ::1, and i have no 127.0.0.1.
that causes privoxy to fail to forward (and it looks like it silently chooses not to forward, rather than breaking!),
and it causes torbutton to fail to point to 127.0.0.1
keb
do some systems set localhost as 127.0.1.1
arma
not 127.0.1.1. i mean ::1. that's an address. it's ipv6.
literally "::!"
err
"::1"
keb
aye
arma
we should probably have a faq entry for how to fix it if your linux screws you.
but, first. how do i fix it now that my linux has screwed me? :)
keb
when did it happen, what changed
arma
i want to bind to 127.0.0.1 which it appears not to do.
this is a new linux
keb
does /etc/hosts still contain 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost as well as ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
arma
the ::1 line had localhost on it. i removed that. seems to be somewhat better.
but it seems like all our apps should be tolerant of having somebody swap what localhost is. "ugh"
keb
so they should use gethostbyname and not assume the number
phobos
maybe people's linux shouldn't screw up on localhost
arma
easy to say. i wonder how many confused users we have.
man, this tor thing is hard.
keb
well they arent calling it version 1.0 yet
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 22318 (/translation/trunk/projects/website/zh_CN): Commit from The Tor Translation Portal by user carolyn. 13 of 13 messages translated (0 fuzzy).
Sebastian
arma: this is not a new problem
our privoxy config is immune to this
and our polipo config used to be immune, afaik. But isn't anymore, probably?
phobos
how is it immune if 127.0.0.1 goes away?
Sebastian
127.0.0.1 isn't going away afaict, you just have to explicitly bind to it rather than localhost
The first people with that problem showed up around a year ago or so
the solution has always been to use 127.0.0.1 everywhere and localhost nowhere
phobos
< arma> in other news, my debian sarge appears to have decided localhost is ::1, and i have no 127.0.0.1.
Sebastian
ah. hm.
That's new, then.
phobos
arma is special
most people wipe localhost
Sebastian
(I'm quite surprised. Debian sarge? really?)
that's ancient even for arma standards
Maybe arma meant sid?
I'd be less surprised if sid stopped having a 127.0.0.1 for a bit, it is supposed to break your computer I think ;)
jed_
@phobos: yeah so I get "Bus error"
phobos?
dr|z3d
jed_: Maybe take the train instead? *wink*
jed_
very funny ;)
dr|z3d
(Action) chuckles at bary white. It's Barry!
jed_
are you in same timezone as phobos?
meaning very early in the morn, im assuming he's gone to bed
Runa
jed_: I think he's in bed, yes :)
jed_
sigh the perils of being at +10GMT
bary
/whois barry
xtoaster
good afternoon everyone :)
err, tor is on strike here. it refused to work. :-q
Runa
xtoaster: hm?
xtoaster
hi Runa .
Runa
hi xtoaster :)
xtoaster
evil has taken its soul :-p
Runa
xtoaster: it looks like China has been blocking more and more bridges.
xtoaster
Runa: hm. not only bridges. either they make some auto-bot tracking the directory updates or sth more vicious. :-(
Runa
xtoaster: yeah, something's up
SwissTorExit
(Action) great's the chan
JC_Yang
the gfw take its action against tor nodes regularly. sometimes their blocking was quite aggressively. i've no idea how long can we use tor in china
mikeperry
JC_Yang: we're working on it
JC_Yang
well, great news.
mikeperry
it may take a week or two, but with a little luck we may have a decent solution
also, there are twitter accounts that should still be releasing working bridges
afaik
xtoaster
great to know that mike :)
JC_Yang
i rely on the cache nowadays, it works but i still notice the number of nodes available is decreasing. look forward your new solution.>_<
mikeperry
JC_Yang: its the same mechanisms as before, but we should have a new large set of bridges coming online soon if all goes well
xtoaster
what's why it looks different this time. i guess there are some vicious bots running behind.
mikeperry
xtoaster: please restate? I don't fully understand
Runa
mikeperry: he wants to know why china successfully blocked bridges (if there is anything new now, compared to last time this happened)
:)
JC_Yang
isn't that the "known to public" set of bridges a bit dangerous?
mikeperry
I think karsten is still working on that data
xtoaster
hm, i mean in the past they dont seem to update their banning list automatically.
mikeperry
JC_Yang: yes, that is a risk. I worry that the unblocking event may have just been a "roundup" event just to surveil to see who was actually trying to use tor. If I had to put a number on it, I'd give it a 30% probability that is what happened
we have some other data that indicates that it is more likely the GFW was simply overloaded for a time
xtoaster
relays are dying a bit too fast this time, it looks more than manual importing.:-/
mikeperry
xtoaster: well there are 4 sets of relays. there are the public ones, which are trivial to automate to block, then there are the https://bridges.torproject.org ones, which require a repeated crawl, then there are the gmail ones, which require lots of gmail accounts, and then there are the 'reserve' pool, which are handed out via things like twitter, WoW, etc
these are all disjoint sets of relays
karsten is running analysis on which ones have suffered the most damage and how
JC_Yang
I have to say, thank you for your volunteer works. you make us surviving on the net.
xtoaster
btw, i have a still working bridge. but its quite suspicious
the reverse looks up show the ip belongs to China Chengdu IDC
mikeperry
interesting
we have had people trying to run relays and bridges inside of china still
xtoaster
but why would a chinese IDC running a bridge ;-)
JC_Yang
might be a trap
mikeperry
based on their capabilities, I think it is more likely that they would watch activity at the boarder (GFW) rather than running individudal bridges
s/boarder/border
I don't know who that organization is, but is it possible that some ISPs may be able to peer with Hong Kong or elsewhere to skirt the firewall?
xtoaster
as a user, ppl could simply ignore and dont use it. but yeah i am more curious about what the moles are doing there ;)
mikeperry
are the Shenzhen/Special Economic Zones able to do anything special to peer with organizations that may be beyond the GFW reach?
it appears that 3/5 of that ISP's colo centers are in Special Economic Zones
but not Chendu :)
Chengdu
JC_Yang
a zombie disguised, they can simply make that zombie an exception to the gfw. and then, you got arrest. just some speculation
xtoaster
mikeperry: what about aTestNotAtEarth?
mikeperry
so that still is a bit odd. but they may be able to do something special if they have their own backhaul somehow.. but yeah, seems risky for them
xtoaster
ah. no wonder some twitterers still say their tor works as before.
i guess they never do any lookup on their bridge.
SwissTorExit
oh, scroogle are back online, maybe there have already found a soultion, hoppefully
mikeperry
xtoaster: I don't see that router in the consensus. is it a public relay?
xtoaster
no a bridge
hm, what does it that mean ?
yanghong
hi all
Breaking news, almost all bridges has been banned in China, Tor totally unusable now. GFW rocks:(
xtoaster
you have any trustful source for the news? ;)
yanghong
I'm Chinese
I have been using Tor for a long time.
JC_Yang
the best solution is to keep your tor start with the system, the directory cache can be kept valid.
yanghong
So sad I suspend my computer after works.
Why tor tread dirs cache as valid if check system time jump forward?
s/tread/treat/
s/tor tread/not treat/
JC_Yang
i don't know exactly how long an interval would make the cache invalid, but the practice told me that less than 48 hours is safe
SwissTorExit
mikeperry: hello, i have another idea for Torbutton feature, i see that the other plugin use "
i don't have get what was that connection by me sometime, but now i see what are lol
yanghong
why Tor stucks at "Bootstrapped 90%: Establishing a Tor circuit."?
mikeperry
SwissTorExit: hrmm, the safebrowsing stuff should not be querying google for specific sites by default. It should be instead downloading the list of sites to check against periodically. unless you changed that firefox setting
SwissTorExit
yep, it must only query the link and not google for sure, i just don't understand while was added on my Tor plugin and now i understand while
that's exactelly what it do by me, it connect on the list and download it soemtimes
xtoaster
does it need to work through tor ? i guess not :-)
SwissTorExit
now it have sensibly changed and their only the minimum plugin needed ,now still, adblockplus, cslite, myplugin like torbutton, noscript and profile switcher, that's all, the rest are removed
i have forget downloadhelper who are inclued too
JC_Yang
yanghong:check the network map, it's very likely you'll see 'path failed'
yanghong
Oh no, I'm using tor without vidalia.
mikeperry
SwissTorExit: the about:config setting that governs this is: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.safebrowsing.remoteLookups
nsa
or: [Tor Bug Tracker] #1392 was updated: #1392: Tobutton Addon interferes with toolbar buttons for add-ons (including its own) - http://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/1392#comment:1
or: Comment(by mikeperry):
or: Can you please try to create a new firefox profile ('firefox -P' from the
mikeperry
is that true or false for you?
nsa
or: shell) and try to install the minimal set of addons that cause this[...]
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