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Malkovich
Hello
dr|z3d
Tor has been slashdotted. :)
hopefully the idiots will stop using bittorrent.. one can only hope. :)
BarkerJr
the site is still up
Sebastian
not really a surprise
BarkerJr
my mirror is still up, too
dr|z3d
Wow. The lack of obvous connect or cogent expression of ideas is sorely evident this evening. Wtf, guys? ;)
(Action) retroinjects an "i" into the above.
phobos
hopefully more relays show up as a result of this tor/bittorrent thing
and i don't worry about tor so much holding up to increased traffic, i worry about the blog not surviving
dr|z3d
phobos: can you not put it on static?
phobos
it is mostly static
         

dr|z3d
mostly isn't good enough. you need to get an all-purpose cache and make everything static. Then you _will_ survive :)
phobos
it writes out cache hourly
dr|z3d
bump that to 3 hours and forget about it until things calm down :)
phobos
and blog comments are moderated, so the only dynamic bits are searches, tag clicks, and comment submission
dr|z3d
you should be fine, then :)
phobos
i wonder if i should turn the blog post about bt into wml and link to it from download.wml
dr|z3d
I did say a few days ago about a blog post relating to bittorrent. Remember? ;)
(before the sh*tstorm, by a couple of days)
(Action) chuckles.
phobos
arma understood the problem the best, so he had to write the blog post
but we're never sure what becomes popular in the world press
ha, it is already set to 3h cache lifetime
dr|z3d
:)
(Action) omms.
bja
(Action) volts
phobos
i can't tell if factorbee is insane or a genius
dr|z3d
Good blogpost from arma, but he missed a trick in not funneling users over to I2P. :)
phobos
that's ok, the comments took care of it
dr|z3d
Indeed. :)
Although a bit muddled.
Notwithstanding that, comments and the blog post are often differentiated by the reader. :)
Sebastian
I have the impression that arma isn't convinced that i2p is safe at all
dr|z3d
That's curious. He's never stated anything within my earsight to that effect :)
We'd love to hear an arma-appraisal :)
What unites us is the same world view, lest we lose sight of that :)
ioerror
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/bittorrent_continuous_spying/
phobos
I don't know enough about i2p internals to make a statement.
dr|z3d
Neither does Sebastian, evidently. *wink*
Sebastian
Not knowing enough automatically means you cannot seriously recommend it.
         

ioerror
Is there a protocol specification yet?
dr|z3d
oh, hello ioerror. i'm off ignore now, am I? :")
phobos
as far as I know, i2p is tor's hidden services on steriods
steroids even
dr|z3d
ioerror: http://i2p2.de/how.html
ioerror
cool, is there a spec?
dr|z3d
(Action) suspects he isn't. And chuckles.
ioerror
as far as i can tell, it's a mess of java code (I've been reading some of itit)
dr|z3d
jrandom did create mess. we've been spending a LOT of time tidying it up :)
phobos
i see tor and i2p serving different purposes, some complementary
dr|z3d
phobos: indeed they are 2 sides of the same coin.
where they overlap, there are obvious winners and losers.
i2p's outnernet stuff fails. i2p's hidden services wins. :)
phobos
i think what ioerror is asking is, how do i write an independent i2p client in another language
if you have the blueprints/spec, you could do that
dr|z3d
http://i2p2.de/techintro.html is a good place to start.
ioerror
I'm asking for a specification that makes claims that i can verify, bytes on the wire that i can implement on my own, etc
phobos
however, as we're finding, tor's specs aren't necessarily complete either
now that someone is writing tor in java from scratch without using the c code as the guide
ioerror
sure, xmux's implementation will help us to discover where the spec has diverged from reality - it will help us get back on track if we're not on track
dr|z3d
sure.. i don't deny that the docs may be somewhat lacking in precision :)
phobos
but anyway, i suspect more comments about i2p showing up
and anonym.os or whatever that thing is
dr|z3d
the info is out there, it's just not terribly well presented.
(and the website isn't the best place to glom it, often)
zzz.i2p.to is good.
dandon
do you always have to wait two hours+ before tor relays?
William
hi to all, friends!
I am trying to install Tor on FreeBSD system but I have some problems
I included the record tor_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf
I changed to the record : ${tor_enable="YES"} in the file /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tor
I reboot system
But I cannot find torrc in it at all!!!
What have I need to do? To create that file manully?
dr|z3d
William: Say again? What are you looking to do?
Locate your torrc? Should be there, maybe twice if you have Vidalia installed.. try a "locate torrc" from a terminal (or equivalent).
William
I want to set up a Tor-exit node on my VDS-server working under FreeBSD
locate torlocate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database
but when I used find it cannot find it
dr|z3d
Not @ /etc/tor/torrc ?
William
I have that record : ${tor_conf="/usr/local/etc/tor/torrc"} in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/tor
ls /etc/torrcls: /etc/torrc: No such file or directory
dr|z3d
Are you intending to run a desktop environment on that rig? If so, Vidalia can help launch Tor and configure.
William
ls: /usr/local/etc/tor/torrc: No such file or directory
Are you shure that vidalla is needed on UNIX-system? More so on tor-server?
I don't intend to run a desktop environment only Tor server for public needs
Sebastian
dandon: yes. It takes that long to propagate your information to users
dandon
each time..
Sebastian
William: no, Vidalia is absolutely unnecessary.
William: I think your best bet is to wait for a FreeBSD user to get back to you, if you installed from a package.
I think Tas might be able to help.
William
I use the Tor-client on my Dedian desktop system without Vidalia. I think that it is mostly for windows-users
Tas? Ok, thank you, I will wait
Sebastian
William: Vidalia is for anyone who wants a gui, or who needs one because they're command-line handicapped
William: the latter is true for most windows users
William: In the meantime, you might want to learn if freebsd packages include some documentation
about where they put config files etc
William
I learn the FreeBSD handbook now that give me ability to install Tor etc. But I else don't find needed information concirning the above. But I am going to continue learning it and other documentation
Sebastian, I think that it don't needs to me to install privoxy if I intend use Tor on that VDS only for setting up an exit-node?
Sebastian
true
William
thanks
/usr/local/etc/tor/torrc.sample - is it a sample of a config-file of the Tor? It appeares in my FreeBSD system after I start tor through giving a command from the root user. Do I need simply copy it in my /etc-directory and imrove as I need?
Sebastian
that might just work, yes
make sure to remove the .sample extension
William
when I kill the tor-process that file disappear
i think i need to start tor in non-daemon again and copy that file :-)
Sebastian
wow, that's really weird.
William
Sebastian, oh, I am simply an idiot! I seek it though find / -name torrc and cannot find
But it need use find / -name "*torrc*" !!!
Do I need to uncommet "Run As Daemon" in torrc? Under Debian it works fine without it through init.d scripts. There are such scripts named "rc-scripts" in FreeBSD too.
Sebastian
Not sure, I'd just uncomment it
William
Sebastian, It does not start ...
/etc/rc.d/tor start
/etc/rc.d/tor: WARNING: /usr/local/etc/tor/torrc is not readable.
/etc/rc.d/tor: WARNING: failed precmd routine for tor
Sebastian
Well, is there a /usr/local/etc/tor/torrc ? If not, make one
William
yeah, I improve it! It works!!!
Sebastian
Thanks for running a relay
William
Thaks you too!
data`
is it normal that once i get the stable flag, that the number of connections drops from by a factor of 5? (keeping the bandwidth)
Sebastian
yup
or let's say it is expected
data`
why exactly?
Sebastian
because clients prefer nodes without the stable flag for directory fetches
blogg
anyone here can lend a hand with loading tor?
webmind
what is the problem?
blogg
tor detector is suggesting that tor is not running, where it clearly is... must be settings somewhere
data`
seems like my co-admin commented out the dirport. i think i have the resources, so should i enable that?
Sebastian
data`: sure
that'll help spead a load a bit better
blogg
ok i think im good now tor detector shows different address
:)
is it sensible to relay the traffic or use as client only?
data`
why does the directory serving use that much memory?
Sebastian
The memory usage should be high only because there are lots more connections
every connection has overhead
data`
has to be alot of connections. mem usage dropped by about 400-500
M
Sebastian
0.2.2.13-alpha/0.2.1.26 should be much better with memory usage.
data`
i have that version. and it already is much better :)
still
blogg
why does mirc show actual IP address? sry for the nub question.
harahauk
blogg: because you havent set it up to use the tor port?
blogg
default port shows 6667 in the mirc settings change to 9050?
dr|z3d
no; configure mirc's firewall settings and specify socks 4a or 5 proxy on 127.0.0.1:9050
blogg
firewall support: none ?
how do i add http://gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion/ to my torbutton config?
504 Connect to www.gaddbiwdftapglkq.onion:80 failed: General SOCKS server failure
?
Sebastian
www in front is a sure sign of trouble
blogg
i still cannot connect to any of my links (http://ffij33ewbnoeqnup.onion/ ) due to socks errors. please help
Sebastian
What does the Tor log say
blogg
im using torbutton
May 01 15:14:25.627 [Notice] Closing stream for '[scrubbed].onion': hidden service is unavailable (try again later).
what do you think seb
do i add the address inside hidden services to get connected?
im still getting 504 Connect to ffij33ewbnoeqnup.onion:80 failed: SOCKS error: host unreachable
May 01 15:25:07.852 [Notice] Closing stream for '[scrubbed].onion': hidden service is unavailable (try again later).
keb
maybe the service is down
blogg
ive tried about 10 links all say the same
i havent used tor before so im sure its my settings somewhere
BarkerJr
maybe all 10 are down
blogg
even ecache
pass me a link you know that works and ill try it
BarkerJr
l6nvqsqivhrunqvs.onion
worked for me on the third try
blogg
nope its definately my settings
keb
worked for me on 1st try but took 2 minutes
blogg
do you use recommended proxy settings for the firefox on torbutton?
keb
lol i connected via BarkerJrParis1b
BarkerJr
:)
keb
yes
BarkerJr
I did, too
keb
did you buy up all the hidden services :P
BarkerJr
lol
blogg
May 01 15:33:27.301 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
May 01 15:33:27.450 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
May 01 15:33:27.606 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
May 01 15:33:27.760 [Warning] Invalid onion hostname [scrubbed]; rejecting
although i got connected to http://l6nvqsqivhrunqvs.onion/
are you guys using version 2.1 or 2.2
im using 0.2.1.25 (stable) and wondering if i should be using 2.2
BarkerJr
2.2
bja
Someone asked for an svg file of the tor log, i just came across asymptote, might be helpfull for the brave soul who ventures on that task
curve
anyone know any irc channels on tor network?
roconnor
what sorts of things get put in /var/lib/tor?
Sebastian
files that cache network information, the state file, your relay keys
roconnor
will tor make /var/lib/tor if the directory doesn't exist, or more generally make the DataDirectory directory if it doesn't exist?
Sebastian
yes, if it has the appropriate permissions
roconnor
what other directories does tor need to write to at runtime?
Sebastian
none, but it might write to the dir where you store hidden service keys and to your torrc
as well as the log
roconnor
excellent
Is it recommended then to run a tor service as it's own user?
Sebastian
yes
especially if you run a relay
if it is too much trouble, it isn't necessary, but it is a good diea.
idea*
roconnor
Sebastian: do I need to ./configure it to run as it's own user or do I just switch users in the service startup script?
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