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djMax
anybody running Tor able to access http://www.yelp.co.uk?
katmagic
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Sebastian
yup they don't like Tor
djMax
bastards. Thanks.
jiso
well not really
coz i open it
djMax
we noticed it's not every client, but yeah, many of them
kaner
eintopf: tor weather, weather.torproject.org
eintopf
ah
Sebastian
kaner: should you tell people that adress now, while dns isn't moved?
         

kaner
Sebastian: no hurry needed
Sebastian
hm>
?
kaner
Sebastian: ah. i see what you meant. eintopf was asking what weather is, in general
Sebastian
ah o
k
eintopf
I don't know much about tor.
devnull
Vidalia was unable to start Tor. Check your settings to ensure the correct name and location of your tor executable is specified.
arma
see the message window. perhaps tor is already running?
(what OS, what bundle, etc etc)
devnull
OSX. vidalia bundle
The latest version
Why wont vidalia work
Sebastian
Try closing Vidalia, opening Activity Monitor and look for a process called "tor"
devnull
I delete vidalia
and reinstall it and it gives the same errors
Sebastian
terminate that process
the go into Finder, and look (in your home directory) for Library/Vidalia. Rename that to something else
then open vidalia again
devnull
Tor is not runnin
Sebastian
good
devnull
i restarted vidalia and it gave the same error
Sebastian
did you move the Vidalia folder away
devnull
Just did, restarted again and its trying to connect to the tor network
it never succeeds though
it just hangs halfway through
holy sh*t man
why when you remove vidalia, it wont delete everything?
why cant the program developers fix that.
I have to navigate and sift through old installation files like im on fu*kin windows 98
Sebastian
that's normal for OS X. Preferences aren't removed.
It has nothing to do with Vidalia.
devnull
well its not connecting to the tor network
and there should be some guide on the vidalia website to REMOVE all files
a map of files if you will
ive had this problem for months now
nobody knows how to fix it
I remove vidalia, remove as many files as I can
reinstall and it fails
Sebastian
You sure make sure it's a pleasure to try and fix that problem.
dr|z3d
devnull: Try us.. we haven't seen you here before asking for assistance. so your "nobody knows" claim is without merit.
         

devnull
kind of ridiculous at this point if I have to do an OSX reinstall to make vidalia work
Ive been in here plenty of times under different nicks
arma
devnull: you might like https://www.torproject.org/faq#HowUninstallTor
dr|z3d
I don't recall in recent memory anyone claiming they need to reinstall OS X to get Vidalia to work, nor do I remember anyone complaining about Vidalia not running..
arma
you are absolutely right that the os x packaging system sucks.
dr|z3d
I think we can agree on that! Not Vidalia's fault..
devnull
I never had problems with tor on windows
Sebastian
Well, it is true that we make it worse than it actually is
devnull
on mac, its some other bullsh*t.
Sebastian
especially since we broke the update path from one version to the next more than once
also by using non-standard paths
devnull
yeah, everything fubar'd on an upgrade
this was almost 6 months ago
maybe more
nobody knows how to fix it
dr|z3d
See if arma's link sheds any light.. you might be pleasantly surprised!
arma
sounds like you should get involved with the os x packaging, and make it better.
Sebastian
at this point I think I shouldn't. That just means yet another broken update path
phobos
the osx packaging is better
the transition from old to new sucks
to be more precise, the tor drag and drop packaging is the better solution
devnull
I followed that mac uninstall page and the same error happens
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 22129 (/translation/trunk/projects/website/de): Commit from The Tor Translation Portal by user TorMensch. 30 of 30 messages translated (0 fuzzy).
phobos
and the error is
devnull
Vidalia was unable to start Tor. Check your settings to ensure the correct name and location of your tor executable is specified.
phobos
where does vidalia think tor exists?
devnull
./tor
lol.
It thinks it exists on /tor
on my system
phobos
this is from the drag and drop bundle?
TorExecutable=/Applications/Vidalia.app/Contents/MacOS/tor
because that's what we ship with
Sebastian
I somehoe can't believe you moved that Vidalia folder away. Because that would reset the settings.
devnull
I deleted it.
I would make a video of what im doing
but im doing it exactly the way you guys are telling me
https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-osx.html.en#uninstall
im following that.
I removed .tor from my /home/directory too
enki
Are the programs that ORbot recommends free software?
phobos
what did you have installed originally?
devnull
vidalia fu*ked everythign up lol
I put the executable path you linked and it doesnt work either
tor doesnt exist in /aplications/vidalia.app/contents/macos/
just the Vidalia executable is in there
nsa
or: sebastian committed revision 22130 (/website/trunk/en): Mention that the Expert bundle doesn't work on Snow Leopard
Sebastian
devnull: right, then you didn't install the latest Vidalia bundle.
phobos
what doesn't work about the expert bundle Sebastian?
Sebastian
Install is totally broken
user creation etc is completely changed
which is also quite unfortunate, because the uninstall script does some really nasty stuff when you run it on 10.6
(the uninstall script for the old installer)
phobos
yeah
hence the creation of the drag and drop installer
since apple radically changes everything in minor patches
and doesn't document any of it
Sebastian
I think we should drop expert package support.
If someone wants to run a relay, we can provide some info how they can make a startup service, or point them to the docs
phobos
devnull: spell the path correctly
devnull
I give up.. lunch time, thanks anyway
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 22131 (/translation/trunk/projects/website/de): Commit from The Tor Translation Portal by user TorMensch. 7 of 30 messages translated (0 fuzzy).
phobos
something is serious messed up on devnull's computer
and it's not just vidalia
Sebastian
why?
phobos
it's like one mistake over another over another
Sebastian
I don't see it?
phobos
Sebastian
Right, but we broke it afterwards too, when we had that wrong polipo config etc
phobos
i suspect devnull is either trying to run vidalia from the dmg, or never really migrated correctly in the first place
Sebastian
I ruled out the latter because no Tor process was running
phobos
i bet there is a ~/.vidalia still
Sebastian
and vidalia still looks at it?
phobos
it should copy the settings to ~/Library/Vidalia
Sebastian
(those are the real bugs. Vidalia looking at ~/.vidalia, Vidalia not telling the user "hey, sorry we made a mistake last version with the polipo config string. Should we auto-fix it for you or never ask you again" etc
)
phobos
this would require a vidalia developer ;)
Sebastian
true
Also the whole ~/.tor and ~/Library/Vidalia stuff, quite surprising to OS X users
But yeah, I don't have time nor motivation to fix it myself either.
phobos
osx is a mess
but whatever
Sebastian
I had almost hoped kyrah would do some packaging work
but then she disappeared
phobos
people who get our bundles fresh, without having a previous install work fine
Sebastian
that's true, but also very very sad :)
(the implications are sad)
phobos
and most people seemed to migrate fine
helix can make it all better
Sebastian
I don't know about that. There are still people coming here with seemingly unrelated issues, und suddenly we learn they're still using ancient Tor because even though they upgrade their Vidalia bundle whenever we release a new version, they still have their old bundle running.
arma
osx-browser-bundle to the rescue ;)
helix
vidalia needs a lot of work, there is probably going to be a limit to how many problems perfect packaging can solve
even a browser bundle
Sebastian
yeah, except the browser bundles are a big step in the wrong direction if we want reliable bridges and relays
;)
helix
though vidalia on osx may be better than it is on linux
Sebastian
Sooo many tradeoffs
helix
(I'm thinking about this now because both of the issues on or-talk about tbb linux are things that are or need to be handled in vidalia and I'm going to have to either learn Qt/C++ or find a really gross hacky way to deal with them)
arma
helix: sounds like you'd be the perfect mentor for a vidalia-oriented gsoc project then ;)
helix
"I have no idea how to do this, please let me advise you" :)
I'm definitely into that, I should reply to karsten, like, immediately
the stuff I would want done is not on the list though. hmm.
arma
some people want a mentor that's responsive. some people want a mentor that's clueful about the material. others want a person who knows how to navigate the community...
Sebastian
I recall giving someone website commit access
helix
Sebastian: yeah, it's not an access issue that I am hmming about. more, "how do I write up a task for vidalia that is essentially 'fix these outstanding issues' and make it seem like a comprehensive gsoc project?"
Sebastian
you have four days :)
helix
yeah, I'll figure it out. just considering what it actually entails.
and I need to take the improved debian packaging off the list while I'm at it
Sebastian
I have no doubts you will :)
(remember that we cannot remove any items
helix
we can't?
Sebastian
only cross them out or something)
helix
oh
Sebastian
we'll screw up the ordering.
arma
pfah. anybody who says "i want to do #8" without giving hints about what #8 is is going to have problems anyway
Sebastian
well, I
'm not concerned about that
But we're not being quite so fair to students already. We should at least not make their project idea mysteriously vanish.
helix
in which ways are we being unfair?
Sebastian
we're thinking about what kind of mentors we have now, instead of before we were announced as an ord
org*
We should've been able to tell students "great idea, but it looks like we won't find a good mentor here" from day one
So we should try to communicate this asap
but we expect students to show us they're great during the application period. That is four more days
not a big chance of showing how great you are if your project idea pops up 1 day before the deadline
helix
true
Sebastian
right. except now we have to deal with the situation as we have it. But I think drastically changing some proposal ideas without documentating that we *did* change them is awful.
helix
which ones are we talking about changing?
I was thinking of adding one and striking one off the list (I don't think the debian packaging was appealing to mentees anyway) but not changing one
Sebastian
android, weather, packaging
I guess weather is an easy update.
"See, this is the new weather in action, and here is its source."
helix
Sebastian: I replied to karsten's mail and left a few open questions about how to deal with removal/addition of projects this late in the game
so maybe it can be a larger discussion
xmux
Hi lngo
I put up some information about JTor status here: http://wiki.github.com/brl/JTor/
and more detailed information here: http://wiki.github.com/brl/JTor/specification-compliance-status
lngo
Thank you very much, xmux
xmux
No problem. I should have done that a long time ago
arma
neat
nsa
or: erinn committed revision 22132 (/website/trunk/en): generalize the Vidalia/ControlPort todo item to make it less Debian/Ubuntu specific and more about improving Vidalia+Tor Linux/Unix functionality
BarkerJr
Sebastian: seems to have dropped off torstatus, too
maybe its not publishing?
I just sent it a TERM and it didn't respond either
arma
neat. wonder if it's in a loop somewhere.
is it using 100% cpu?
BarkerJr
madvise(0xb0389000, 4096, MADV_DONTNEED) = 0
munmap(0xb0389000, 4096) = 0
strace showed that
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