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SnafuII
Anyone here familiar with BackTrack4????
katoda
SnafuII: #backtrack-linux
@ freenode
phobos
what is backtrack based on?
blackpaw
Supposedly Debiam
Debian*
SnafuII
yeah
Debian based
phobos
then /etc/defaults/tor
SnafuII
(Action) wishes he knew more about linux
phobos
or, edit /etc/defaults/tor
i think it's change START_DAEMON from YES to NO
SnafuII
nice
dude, u did it =-)
i do believe u got it
have to reboot to check it, but rock on phobosd
         

nsa
or: kloesing committed revision 22090 (/projects/archives/trunk/bridge-desc-sanitizer): When sanitizing bridge descriptors, optionally replace IP address with
or: H(IP address + bridge identity + secret)[:4].
HenkII
hey
you probably get this question alot, but is possible to use IRC through tor?
kmacy
if the IRC server doesn't block exit nodes
katmagic
Yes.
http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO/IrcSilc
HenkII
thanks
katmagic
http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO/InstantMessaging
All the major networks block Tor, though.
HenkII
including this one?
Sebastian
this one doesn't
HenkII
then I'm going to try to follow that tutorial now
did it work?
ah yes, the whois
:D thx
katmagic
OFTC does block IRC, but there's a hidden service.
irc://37lnq2veif4kar7.onion/
Sebastian
katmagic: not like many people are connected via Tor without a hs right now...
HenkII
when I try to connect there I get a firewall: general socks server failrue warning
katmagic
Hmmm...
Interesting.
I've been blocked before.
Sebastian
Zax: had any more luck with the asciidoc?
Is Gareth here?
dr|z3d
You and your normal names, Sebastian! What's his handle here?
Sebastian
erm, if I knew it I would use it...
hence my asking if he is here.
dr|z3d
Ah, I gotcha. Dunno, then :)
pipe
Even my girlfriend's mother's friends calls me pipe, somewhat spooky
dr|z3d
Gareth, come back, we love you!
pipe
And my boss at my last job, even when introducing me to clients.
         

katmagic
(Action) wonders why someone would talk with their girlfriend's mother's friends.
pipe
katmagic: you don't say no to free dinner
dr|z3d
(Action) prepares pipe his laast supper..
(Action) winks.
pipe
;(
katmagic
heh
dr|z3d
(Action) wonders if GadgetMan is Gareth. And asks. "Are you Gareth, GadgetMan?"
(Action) tries with a different colored crayon.
GadgetMan: Are you Gareth, perchance?
pipe
Don't eat the crayons
dr|z3d
I won't, They're going in _your_ supper.
(Action) smirks.
zhurai
so...uh, about the Summer of Code thing of Google's.... >_> I sent an email a few days ago, but nothing back so far, so um... hi? D:
Sebastian
hi zhurai, where did you send email to?
zhurai
Sebastian, to soc@eff.org
Sebastian
ah hi
It is unfortunate to hear they haven't responded yet.
pde: you know what's up?
zhurai
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:01:43 -0700 <-- that's when I sent it >_>
Sebastian
zhurai: Good to have you here, I hope pde shows up soon.
pde
oh, hi
Sebastian
ah, there's a pde
pde
zhurai: what's your email address?
zhurai
I sent it from zhurai.tsuki@gmail.com
pde
zhurai: I'll send an email to the person who's in charge of that project mentioning that you were enthusiastic
zhurai
ok, thanks.
Sebastian
pde: do you guys have an irc channel where we could direct eff students?
pde
#eff
dr|z3d
zhurai: You stand a better chance of consideration if you're in here as much as possible. Head above parapet, :)
pde
though this is tim's project, and he's not in that channel
zhurai
eh... k
Sebastian
dr|z3d: that's not true, in fact.
pde
email is his preferred contact method, I believe
dr|z3d
Sebastian: I beg to differ. Worked for you :)
zhurai
hmm I'll get my irssi onto here too (-_-)''
Sebastian
dr|z3d: you are in fact quite wrong. The Tor mentors do not interfere with voting on eff slots.
any student interested in *Tor* should stay here. Anyone interested in the EFF projects should follow their preferred ways of communication.
dr|z3d
If there a specific battle lines being drawn between eff and Tor, then ok. Generally speaking, for Tor gsoc participation, being here is a good idea (tm). Better?
Good :) So, moving along.
zhurai
Sebastian, on the EFF post, all I saw said pretty much "If those sound interesting, first check out the Summer Of Code FAQ to make sure you're eligible to participate. Introduce yourself to us email soc@eff.org or visit the #tor IRC channel. Then, write down your project idea using our template and submit your application to Google. "
Sebastian
zhurai: right. pde is the responsible person at EFF, to my knowledge. Students are encouraged to come to #tor so they can be pointed in the right direction if necessary. Looks like it was necessary in your case :)
zhurai: but this is not really the place to discuss your project idea indepth
zhurai
heh, whatever, I'll just make my irssi come in here and #eff just in case -_-'
Sebastian
yeah :)
#tor is a good place to be. Lots to learn about Tor
dr|z3d
And a friendly community to be with. *smiles*
zhurai
there we go.
blackpaw
So how much experience is the Tor team looking for in it's gsoc sttudents? Would any of you fine people know?
Sebastian
blackpaw: hey, great to hear you're interested. The kind of experience required depends heavily on your proposal. Do you have a project in mind?
dr|z3d
blackpaw: If you look at the individual sub-projects on offer, they do indicate the level of experience you may need to tackle them.
blackpaw
I don't have a project in mind yet.
Sebastian
blackpaw: ok. Where does your interest in Tor come from? What would you like to improve?
ah formalist, you were playing with private networks too, no? current git master should not have the bug that directory authorities crash if nobody votes on consensus params anymore.
blackpaw
My interest? Uhhh, a healthy distrust of the government and general dislike of censorship.
zhurai
:x
blackpaw
I certainly would like it to be faster, but I'm not sure how far I can take that, and if the current work on it has improved it at all (I haven't had a real need to use it lately)
Sebastian
Current Tor alpha versions are a lot faster. This effect will diminish a little as more and more people upgrade, but it should still be lots faster than it was.
you might like to browse the list of suggested ideas. Feel free to bring up your own, too!
BarkerJr
won't it get faster as relays upgrade?
Sebastian
yeah, but upgrading relays won't magically provide more overall bandwidth
the current huge speed improvements are due to the fact that alpha users are avoiding overloaded nodes
as the load spreads more, there's fewer unloaded nodes
zhurai
eh, I would have also submitted one to tor, but my c/c++ programming ability is low/to be desired (uh, I can max do very simple programs atm -_-)
Sebastian
also, we stil haven't solved tcp congestion, of course
Not every project requires c++ or c coding
blackpaw
zhurai: You could make a pong clone built in for people to play while they're waiting for pages to load :D
zhurai
Sebastian, true, I can mostly help with php/web programming, and linux system help though(sysadmin, etc)...would that be of any help? D:
blackpaw, heh... cli pong? :x
Sebastian
I'm afraid php sees little love in this community
zhurai
meh~ :>
Sebastian
BUT: there are php scripts written around Tor, and they need improvements.
Feel free to apply here, too
zhurai
I'm so so at perl though, is that of any help too? :x
Sebastian
It looks like we're moving our web stuff to python
zhurai
>_>
wee, another language to learn on my todo list ._.
Sebastian
hehe
katmagic
Python's much easier than Perl.
Sebastian
depends on the crack you're smoking
dr|z3d
php sees _some_ love, but it's quite divisive :)
Our blog runs on php, fwiw.
katmagic
Why?
dr|z3d
Because some people rabidly believe it's not fit for purpose, in essence. :)
katmagic
It's eeeveeele.
dr|z3d
php, that is, not our blog. :)
blackpaw
So if someone proposed a project to convert the blog to something besides php, they would be instantly accepted because php is eeeveele?
Sebastian
no
This is about Tor, not writing a blog software
katmagic
Hopefully.
dr|z3d
it's about mitigating risk, essentially, that's the bottom line. there's enough faith in drupal.
zhurai
meh, I'll prob go with eff this time (+? + ? D: ), and next summer, after I (re)learn c/c++ and learn python I'll come here x-x'? *shrug* (and I guess inbetween, stay around in these communities and stuff as a regular volunteer o_O)
katmagic
Why are directory authorities centralized?
dr|z3d
That's Tor's model.. a few trusted parties.
blackpaw
you could always just work on bug patches for the summer then come back next year and say you have experience.
katmagic
It takes a day to learn Python, a week to learn C, and several lifetimes to figure out how to write 'Hello, world!' in C++.
zhurai
blackpaw, yea..
misc
well, c++ is not that hard
zhurai
meh, of all the more often used programming languages though, I dislike Java the most X_X
so atm any other language other than java, I'm ok with learning x_x
blackpaw
Does tor have any way to notify users of new releases? Like in the client itself not in email or on the blog.
dr|z3d
There's a mailing list, there's the blog, there's this channel's topic..
Sebastian
if your release is very very old, you will get a warning in your Tor log. Vidalia also has a popup with that warning
dr|z3d
And one day there might be an auto-update mechanism.
blackpaw
One day?
dr|z3d
aka "thandy"
Sebastian
but it takes quite some time for a release to be declared very old.
(or a security issue)
dr|z3d
It appears that project is on hold, blackpaw.
helix
(Action) wishes for thandy
Sebastian
Unfortunately, Thandy is blocked waiting on windows bundles currently
dr|z3d
Any idea what's the status and intent with thandy, Sebastian? (Sebastian was working on the bittorrent aspect).
Oh, Windows hold up? Pain. :/
helix
oh yeah I'm meant to help unblock that
hopefully the tbb osx will go quickly, because that is next on the todo list
blackpaw
How many people are actively developing Tor?
dr|zed
A goodly few. I'd guesstimate at least 30.
helix
I think it's closer to 10-15
depends whether you count the translators
Sebastian
It all depends on who is a developer in your opinion
For example, some might count phobos as a dev, others might not
Tho he sure is developing the Tor project ;)
dr|zed
Sure, also depends on whether you're talking about core development within tpo, or ancilliary projects that tpo doesn't have oversight of.
katmagic
$ git log --pretty="%aN" | sort | uniq | wc -l
30
blackpaw
Ah
Sebastian
right, but that is inaccurate
pipe
I actively developed Tor some days ago. For personal use...
Sebastian
(it is inaccurate because not everyone who contributed a patch to Tor is listed. For example, only few people had commit access to svn, so the commits are not correctly attributed there. Even now that we use git some people only provide diffs, so they don't get listed there. Also, I wonder if sending in one patch once really means one is developing Tor.)
pipe: yeah that's sad, you should share
dr|z3d
He probably just haxored Tor for one hop browsing. ;)
blackpaw
For those of you who are developers here, how much experience did you have when you started working on Tor/ haxoring it for one hop browsing?
Sebastian
blackpaw: not much.
blackpaw
Huh, ok.
helix
yeah, I wonder how we can get people to send their patches/ideas upstream. I wish the bug tracking system were more of a communications channel
Sebastian
hm. interesting idea
I kind of dislike those tracking systems with a wiki and a forum and your dog's leash built in
But that's just my sincere hatred for web stuff ;)
helix
yeah I don't mean like that
katmagic
or-talk?
helix
I do think it should be strictly for bug tracking, but that more discussion happened in the bug reports
pipe
Sebastian: I did share, or at least I did share my tiny changes to or-talk
helix
er, but wish that*
Sebastian
pipe: yeah, the byte counting stuff? I saw that. I thought you had more
pipe
no no
helix
(mostly because I find such situations extremely helpful when I come across bugs in other software)
Sebastian
ah ok
blackpaw: feel free to join #nottor if you want to learn more about my non-existent cs background.
helix: yeah. I wonder if people would comment more if our bugtracker weren't so bad.
helix
I wonder that too
katmagic
Probably.
The bug tracker is really awful.
helix
even the developers don't want to use it ;)
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