Could someone say how much authorities are needed to setup private tor network? Afaik there're 7 authorities which are embedded in source codes. So on real tor network, at least 4 authorities say same to make a consensus document. What about for private tor netw? Is there minumun value for authorities? If we setup only one authority will it work?

ilter: not all features of Tor will work then
ilter: make three of them
then you can get most stuff to work.

Hello Sebastian. Nice to see you.

atagar: as a newbieshly end-user I like your idea you just mentioned in #tor-dev

Sebastian: I'm curious. What needs more than one authority? The voting on the relays?
atagar: I like the idea as well.

Ok I'm trying with three. What about their config file? One of them is: http://pastebin.com/kDQ07qnD
Sebastian: Could you check it?

ilter: no TestingTorNetwork option?
or whatever that option is called

Hmm.. I though that this option is used only relays.
Ok i'm putting it.

you need to use it on every Tor node in your network

dun, rudi_s: Thanks! It was really pipe's idea - he was less-than-happy that finding a CLI controller was so hard. ;)

authority, relay, client
atagar: I think that's what the wiki is supposed to do.
that's less than ideal, though, I have to admit.
mostly because nobody looks at the wiki anyways
it's not really linked from the website

Sebastian: Is order of statements in torrc file important?

its fine for experienced users, but the masses like screenshots, fancy guis etc :)

plus its a wiki, so it must suck ;)
ilter: sometimes it is, yes. For example, order of ExitPolicy lines
ilter: for most lines, it isn't.

For TestingTorNetwork line?

dun: I think arm & tork in general are niche tools
ilter: nope.

Ok thanks i've put it, now i'm trying it again.

I wonder if AssumeReachable needs to be set, too.

Sebastian: I'd be curious about how much their niche status is due to being obscure (I thought tork especially was quite a nice gem when I'd finally discovered it). But you're certainly right that if they aren't of much interest to end users then the site isn't an appropriate place for them.

atagar: Well, afaik TorK is pretty dead currently. Maybe I'm wrong here?

Should i remove files (cached-status etc.) which were existed by authority process was starting before?

not a clue (I was under the impression it's only used under KDE, yes?)

ilter: shouldn't matter, I think
atagar: the last release was in 2007

pity... improving its visability would definitley be a bad idea then...

Sebastian: First private authority gives this warn log when i started it; [warn] Received http status code 404 ("Not found") from server '127.0.0.1:6000' while fetching "/tor/keys/fp/701B4...". I couldn't understand why it receive 404. Could you say what is wrong?

hrm. I don't know either
ilter: ok, so how is this
I'll read backlog, make some food, and then set up a private network on my machine here.

It's good. Maybe you advise me also. Meanwhile what is backlog?

backlog is the stuff that was said when I was gone.

Sebastian: So now do you have time?

is anyone else having problems with tor's hidden services

please be more specific

when I was on a hidden service site I clicked a link to another part of the website, and it comes up with a blank white screen and says "done"
happend over and over

A question: Can the ISP that sits in between a client and an entry node, see that one is connected to a Tor node?

yes.
unless you happen to use a bridge.
then it's not so obvious.

is it a big deal if it does, because when it starts to go though the nodes, everything becomes encrypted

Hey, I'm looking into using Tor, but I had a question...

erm. no. the connection from your tor client to the first node is itself encrypted.
so the isp will be able to see that you're connected to the tor network, but not your traffic.

My ISP has gotten on to me about copyright infringement (torrenting) and I've been told Tor will stop my ISP from knowing it was specifically me. Is this true?

Lonnie: Tor isn't to hide your filesharing
ilter: patience. Will eat first.

It's not like I would be doing it 24/7

Lonnie: You should have a look at http://i2p2.de
That's more suited to your purpose.

Just every now and then when I don't have money. I'm really impatient :/
How does I2P work?

It's a bit like Tor's .onion stuff, except that's it's main purpose. it's a darknet.

What does that mean?
Sorry for being a complete noob =/

It comes by default with an anonymous bittorrent client, amongst other stuff.

So I can download torrents and my ISP won't say

It's an encrypted network you have to be on to access, essentially. Unless you use an external gateway, for some stuff.

"Hey, stop that.
"
GAH enter key is too big

anonymous encrypted torrent downloads.

Oh, wow. Why did I know not of this before? xD

Do please visit the site for more info.. we're all about Tor here, really.

Yeah, my bad.

Sebastian: Of course. Sorry for impatience.

I really appreciate the help.
People good at technology who aren't complete a-holes? :D

You can come to #nottor for more info if you like.

Will do.

I'm loving the Tor-Android guy, so cute :)

ilter:
ok
So let's see if I can write a script
to set it up

Ok Sebastian. Thank you for your concern. I'll be here after some sleeping.

ilter: ok
I've got a bit of something working
ilter: ok, I'm running in some problems ;)
ilter: But the script works so far
http://paste.debian.net/65138/
neat
it seems that two v3 dirauths have massive bootstrapping issues
ilter: hah I found the problem I think
ilter: make the dirserver line this instead of what is in the pastebin
DIRSERVER_LINE="DirServer authority$NUM v3ident=$V3ID orport=$ORPORT \
no-v2 127.0.0.1:$DIRPORT $FP"$'\n'"$DIRSERVER_LINE";
note the added no-v2

nice work

well, the tors still segfault
hm
I blame mikeperry
hrm
gdb isn't helpful

you should go to bed
me too
guess ilter's not around any more anyway

pff
narr: hah
I think I got it
let's see if the Tors segfault again

you're funny, do you know that? :)
in a way

hm?
hrm
yay
the segfaulted again

:-/

FUCk this
ugh
anyone have an idea how to get a useful corefile?
let's see if debug logs are helpful in any way... -.-
mikeperry: around?

honest opinion: does tor need a new codebase?

a new codebase? No, why would it?

isn't it time to start from scratch and benefit from experience?

I still don't understand

i have the feeling that the codebase is somewhat messy

Sebastian. what's wrong? you're making me want to get in on ilter's experiment.

and that you guys have trouble integrating features, and finding people who want to work on it

now i all of the sudden want to try it.

formalist: trying to get this private network bootstrapped
authorities are segfaulting when they're making a consensus

:o

narr_: I don't think we have trouble integrating features
narr_: the codebase is complex, but not necessarily messy
narr_: also, shutting down for a year to rewrite Tor won't work that well, I guess

i think i'm not competent enough to discuss this more, before even having looked at the code

narr_: I quite agree.

but i thought i could also just ask

sure. I think the answer is a definite no :)

now that makes it certainly more interesting to think about working on it ;)
well it's probably just my aversion to C
hearing you fight against segfaults, with a more or less useless debug log

it might slow things down considerably but have you considered using strace?

well, i have no clue why the corefile is so useless

I didn't do it
what's going on?

mikeperry: my private Tor network's authorities are segfaulting when making a consensus
last debug level log msg is Mar 21 04:04:41.506 [info] networkstatus_compute_consensus(): Generating consensus using method 9.
formalist: yeah, not trying this on linux currently, so no strace
formalist: but I considered moving this experiment to a vm
formalist: I'd need to run it as root, of course, which might change something though.

(Action) nods :/

mikeperry: I'm mostly interested, did you ever get a private network set up that consists of only v3 authorities and made a method 9 consensus?

Sebastian: nope. didn't try it. too hard to create a network large enough to test the cases I wanted to test
is it segfaulting? or hitting a div by 0 or something?

It is segfaulting
the core is awesomely useless
let me pastebin
maybe you have advanced mad gdb skillz
http://paste.debian.net/65159/
any idea how to get a useful core?
haha, awesome debug logs
Mar 21 04:04:37.573 [debug] evdns_callback(): eventdns said that [scrubbed] resolves to [scrubbed]

you might have a ulimit on your core size

[shire privtor]$ ulimit -c
unlimited

do you have the debuginfo packages for libc and such? not sure how debian does that

that's os x
I've gotten useful cores before
-.-
the dumped files are also like 300mb
so... not really sure what's going on.

i'm off to bed, good night everyone
good luck hunting it down Sebastian

hrm, maybe I have more luck tomorrow. -.-

anyone around that can help me setup Tor?

it doesn't like it when testtornetwork is set to 1.
testingtornetwork rather.

GadgetMan: ask a question
formalist: what does it say about testingtornetwork?

I finally got firefox working with it but it takes like 2 minutes to get to a website
is that normal

no

still hasn't gotten to the website

maybe you got really unlucky. Try hitting the "new identity" button in Vidalia.

how do I setup it up in the main settings for mac
I tried but it didn't work

set up what

probably don't need that actually, gonna try to set up Vuze

Sebastian. no. it's just that it doesn't segfault if TestingTorNetwork isn't set.

formalist: ah, so you reproduced the segfault
>
?

i did encounter one for each node.

when?