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somegeek
how long should things take?
phobos
minutes
-alpha is faster
or, -alpha seems to be around 5-10 minutes
or faster
-stable can be 10-20 minutes
in my experience
ymmv
somegeek
?
Why does FF ask if I wanna load external content sometimes whenvisiting .onion sites?
duckie
thats torbutton's doing
mimetypes that your browser doesnt handle is caught but it
*by
somegeek
hmm...hich/can I override it?
*which
duckie
think it is connected to 'disable plugins during tor usage'
it is done to work around some bugs in firefox that would open plugins without user intervention
you can just click on the launch button anyway and you should be able to download the file usually
somegeek
no, it's usally just 5 bytes of zeros
with a cryptic file name
duckie
oh
sounds like a bug... or a broken site
somegeek
I guess it's the lags and timeout
         

duckie
unlikely
somegeek
well, I don't know
bye
katoda
when can I meet Nick, Roger or Steven?
Sebastian
katoda: are you interested in gsoc?
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 22021 (/website/trunk/en): add the anonirc proxy link
atagar
Sebastian: Sweet! It'd definitely be nice if the project was a little better advertised (especially once it reaches the 1.4.0 release)
(sorry, didn't have the backlog until now)
ioerror
pixelx__: hi
hi beggaboo
pixelx__: welcome to Tor ;-)
pixelx__: sid77 is working on Tor on the iPhone - his name is Marco Bonetti
pixelx__
hey ioerror, cool
i might take a look at orbot too
i'm not the most experienced at android dev, but from using it there are a couple things i think would be cool. like, having a simple option to launch on boot, things like that
ioerror
pixelx__: absolutely
pixelx__: send me a diff and I'll apply it ;-)
pixelx__
ioerror: will do
ioerror
pixelx__: thanks
pixelx__: try just reproducing our build:
https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/android/trunk/Orbot/BUILD
torifythenet
what is the difference between?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/72986/torbutton-1.2.4-fx.xpi
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/downloads/file/72987/torbutton-1.2.4-fx.xpi
there is a /file/72986 and a /file/7287
why is there two links for one addon?
sahal
torifythenet: the hashes of the two files are exactly the same
torifythenet: they are the same exact file
torifythenet
hmm
why is there two links for them then?
sahal
i don't know
maybe to keep track of which links users use to download an extension
so mozilla can understand what types of "download" links attract users more
i'm just guessing here
torifythenet
well there was two download links for torbutton on firefox addons section
dr|z3d
It's probably as simple as an amo fu*kup. Nothing to see here, Move along please!
pipe
hmhm
my relay works now
dr|z3d
\o/
zeno_
hi! how do i torify something on windows (like torify program in linux_
         

pipe
Good question
zeno_
thanks!
happyaron
hi, I am in intranet and can I use tor?
zeno_
formalist
tomaw. are there any howtos out there on how to connect to p4fsi4ockecnea7l.onion using pidgin?
pipe
zeno_: I don't know anything about windows, sorry
zeno_
same :\
ty anyhiow
formalist: what type of hidden service
happyaron
it stuck at establishing a tor circuit
formalist
p4fsi4ockecnea7l.onion == freenode.net
arma had some comments about the way freenode permits tor access on or-talk.
make of them what you like.
Sebastian
happyaron: is your internet access filtered?
happyaron
Sebastian: my home router
Sebastian
happyaron: so you're trying to say "not really"?
happyaron
Sebastian: I think my ISP filtered some, but not very clear what did they do
Sebastian: I am trying to use tor, but it cannot establish a circurit
Sebastian
what OS are you on?
what does the log say?
What version is it?
happyaron
ubuntu
circuit_remove_handled_ports(): Port 80 is not handled.
circuit_remove_handled_ports(): Port 1443 is not handled.
circuit_predict_and_launch_new(): Have 0 clean circs (0 internal), need another exit circ.
tor 0.2.2.8-alpha
vidalia 0.1.15
qt 4.6.0
Sebastian: that's all
Sebastian
erm
I mean like a notice level log from when you start it up
but you should also try the latest alpha
happyaron
oh, I will pastebin the log, a minute
wow, I restarted my computer and it works now
Sebastian
happyaron: ok. If you have problems again let us now
know*
happyaron
thanks
torifythenet
hahaha
esk_
hi guys
is anyone connecting to freenode using SASL authentication? maybe you can help me
im getting errors in the cap_sasl script they provide, which is totally strange
the error is: Can't locate object method "send_raw_now" via package "Irssi::Irc::Server"
ilter
Hello everybody. I've a question about preparing router descriptor by a OR. How is 'signing-key' prepared?
katoda
Sebastian: yes
Sebastian: I'm interested in GSoC
Sebastian
katoda: great
katoda: hanging out here is a good first step to being accepted
katoda
:D
duckie
esk_: which version of irssi do you use?
Sebastian
you might have best luck trying to reach sjmurdoc2 (steven) for now. arma (roger) is on vacation and nickm (nick) is buried in work
katoda
I'm especially interested in improving Tor's ability to resist censorship
esk_
duckie: the latest one
0.8.14
its strange
Sebastian
that said, getting along with the community will be much better than just hammering your potential mentors
So if you have questions, shoot
duckie
esk_: ok, same as me. havent seen that error yet
Sebastian
also hop onto #tor-dev to see what's going on there
esk_
duckie: im on a mac, that shouldnt matter should it, the script is pretty platform independent isnt
katoda
ok, what do they mean under "Skill level: heigh"
which skills are important
duckie
esk_: as long as you have the crypto libraries installed
Sebastian
katoda: So the project you're looking at is very tricky in the gsoc timeframe
the big problem is that gsoc is about producing code, but censorship resistance is about writing a good design first
if you write the design and it turns out to suck, there's no code that gets written.
So you should have some knowledge about how internet protocols work, how they can be fingerprinted, etc.
katoda
and basic knowledge on cryptography, yes?
Sebastian
define basic?
esk_
duckie: im gonna go wonder over to #irssi see what they say
katoda
Sebastian: knowing on how RSA, PGP, symmetric and assymetric cryptography works
knowing how SSL, Tor, and so on works
duckie
esk_: the freenode hidden service is horribly slow. prepare for the worst :)
katoda
and maybe basic knowledge on cryptography planning (given requests, project a cryptography system that will satisfy them)
Sebastian
katoda: Yes, that's helpful. You don't need to actually know how the algorithms themselves work exactly, but having an idea what it is about is important.
No
i think the last point is not required
We don't want to design a crypto system
esk_
duckie: i can see myself giving up on freenode shortly and finding a new network
Sebastian
katoda: other skills that are required are knowledge of C, so you can actually hack Tor
katoda
C or C++?
Sebastian
C
We have C and Python programs that are relevant to the anti-censorship agenda
Tor itself is written in C, tools like the bridgedb are written in Python.
katoda
ok, I'm familiar both with C and Python
Sebastian
great
katoda
I'm generally interested in design-related problems, not code-writing ones
Sebastian
So if you're looking for a hardcore crypto project, Tor might not be for you. But if you're looking at doing lots of hacking, and stuffing in some crypto knowledge, this can work well.
hm
ok
that's good for this project, I think
I'm not sure how well that works with gsoc
katoda
Sebastian: I'm not either
Sebastian
(I don't want to discourage you, only make you aware of possible pitfalls. It'd be sad if the project turned out to be different than you thought.)
katoda
Sebastian: I know and I appreciate it :)
Sebastian
well, no. It will be different
but if it is different in a bad way ;)
katoda
Sebastian: and what do you mean under "doing lots of hacking"?
Sebastian
I mean that there's lots of different tools involved
so you'd need to look at more than one piece of software
and make them work together
katoda
ok, so low-level programming?
Sebastian
not necessarily
depends on your design
katoda
I like Linux kernel hacking and low-level coding
jiso
why the default exit policy of tor prevent using these ports 6881-6999?What are they for?
Sebastian
bt mostly
katoda: that could be interesting
jiso
ok
would you please tell me what this mean reject 0.0.0.0/8:*
Sebastian
it means reject every IP address that starts with 0
jiso
ok.what is the point of rejecting private ips?
pipe
so no one can connect to your LAN from tor
weasel
0.0.0.0/8 is THIS_NETWORK.
[ see rfc3330. ]
jiso
only public ip can use the internet and thus connecting to tor
i do not understand it.It is impossible a machine from a lan that has a private ip to connect to the tor relay even if there is no reject private 1 set
I see
ok.that makes sence :)
so using a 0.0.0.0/8 will prevent ip from the same network segment to conenct to the relay.Is that what this-network mean.I'm reading rfc3330 but I do not understand it
Sebastian
erm
this has nothing to do with who can connect
it only means that Tor relays won't exit to such addresses.
MissAlyx
is it possible to run a tor relay, but NOT an exit node?
pipe
MissAlyx: Yes, I am at the moment
MissAlyx
how?
pipe
ExitPolicy reject *:*
MissAlyx
im perfectly happy to run a in-the-middle-encrypted-relay, i just dont want my ISP phoning me up complaining about all the child porn i'll no doubt end up downloading without my own knowledge..
pipe
Downloading child porn isn't as bad as uploading, but I get your point :)
MissAlyx
it is. :|
jiso
you should know that when you run a relay that prevents exits you are no longer protected against traffic analisys
Sebastian
jiso: erm what?
that's not true.
jiso
they will know for sure that when you browse the internet it is you
pipe
MissAlyx: Depends on the law in your country, of course
jiso
because noone else can use your node as a exit
pipe
...
jiso
however when u have a exit node
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