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nsa
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:18:42 [tor/master]: fix typo and garbage grammar
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:20:37 [tor/master]: minor fixes in proposal 169
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:27:12 [tor/maint-0.2.1]: bump to 0.2.1.24
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:52:52 [tor/maint-0.2.1]: put 0.2.1.24 in release notes too
or: phobos committed revision 21712 (/website/trunk/include): update the mirrors-table.
malikkite
hi
i need help
i´m an ubuntu 8.04, surfing with firefox 3.0.18, i just installed tor and polipo, but if from my browser i try to open localhost:8183 or localhost:8119, firefox refuse the connection because of theese two ports are not used for web navigation... any tip about it?
no one helping me?
so maybe it´s late, see you tomorrow, bye
FullFlannelJacket
lol
ninja
what is the smallest size of the packets tor are able to route
like, it bundles them with overhead if they are too small, right?
Legion
So sicne there's a #tor, is there a #freenet?
since*
nsa
or: ioerror committed revision 21713 (/projects/chumby): All the tools required for a build of the Chumby One
ioerror_sfo
helix: feel free to try building the chumby one package (i think zlib is broken)
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21714 (/torbrowser/trunk): bump to tor 0.2.1.24
or: ioerror committed revision 21715 (/projects/chumby/src/tor): MaxAdvertisedBandwidth is not needed as arma points out
or: ioerror committed revision 21716 (/projects/chumby): Update README to include cross compiler information
or: phobos committed revision 21717 (/website/trunk/include): bump to 0.2.1.24 for osx bundles and win32 expert.
or: ioerror committed revision 21718 (/projects/chumby): Properly patch src, cross compile and strip all binaries
or: ioerror committed revision 21719 (/projects/chumby): Use Tor version 0.2.1.23 for now.
or: ioerror committed revision 21720 (/projects/chumby): Exclude subversion subdirectories during packaging
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 05:20:55 [tor/master]: prepare for 0.2.2.9-alpha
or: ioerror committed revision 21721 (/projects/chumby): We only want one copy of the library, no dereferencing symlinks
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 05:24:33 [tor/master]: Merge branch 'maint-0.2.1' into new
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:52:52 [tor/master]: put 0.2.1.24 in release notes too
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-21 22:27:12 [tor/master]: bump to 0.2.1.24
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 05:38:02 [tor/master]: we deleted AUTHORS, so don't put it in the tarball
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 05:41:48 [tor/master]: we have two faqs for now
arma
http://freehaven.net/~arma/tor-0.2.2.9-alpha.tar.gz -- "does it build for you?" (likely not the final tarball)
         

helix
builds & runs fine for me
grumpy3
hi all!
I've got a lot of messages in my logs of the kind 'all nameservers have failed'
immediately followed with 'nameserver is back up'
is it kind of usual or is it a problem?
Sebastian
grumpy3: do you, by any chance, have the "Address" option set in your torrc?
grumpy3
hmm...
yes. Set to an IP address, not a DNS name
Sebastian
ok. And your DNS server, is it in a local network? Or on the same machine?
grumpy3
nope, google plublic ones, right now
planned to install a resolver on the local machine
Sebastian
ok
We often see people getting that problem, and they all have Address set. I'm not sure how this happens with the google dns servers, though.
grumpy3
Do you mean I could try to comment the Address parameter?
Sebastian
yes
grumpy3
does not stops these messages...
I'll try to install a local resolver and see if that changes anything
thanks, BTW ;)
Sebastian
well, the reason I asked about a local resolver is that we know why it happens with a local resolver
but that won't help your problem right now.
Did you only hup your Tor, or restart it?
grumpy3
hup
May I ask why it happens with a local resolver?
Sebastian
because Tor uses the address specified in the Address config option to make the dns request. Local resolvers are usually configured to accept requests from localhost only
grumpy3
ok
I'm quite far from the google dns servers. It may be the problem
Legion
Interesting.
Sebastian
grumpy3: do I have your permission to paste from what you've said into a bugreport?
grumpy3
sure. Do you need more info?
Sebastian
I'm not sure
I'm rethinking the problem
nsa
or: sebastian committed revision 21722 (/projects/todo): branch count: mikeperry -1, sebastian +2
Sebastian
grumpy3: so I have a theory.
We spit out that message when a dns request takes too long. My theory is that maybe we're rate-limiting ourselves
is your node heavily loaded traffic-wise? (which node is it?)
         

grumpy3
just for the record, these messages are more frequent without the 'Address' thing
Sebastian
I think that's coincidence
grumpy3
hum... 256kB with 512kB in burn mode
Have a huge pipe, but not very well peered
Sebastian
That doesn't matter, what matters is how much traffic you're pushing compared to your ratelimiting. Maybe you can (just for a few minutes) raise your traffic limit substantially, to say 800kB and 1000kB burst, and see if the messages disappear?
grumpy3
ok, I see your point. I won't try that right now as some maintenance work are beeing made on it. But later today :)
Sebastian
great. Please get back to me when you do.
grumpy3
I'll.
nsa
or: Karsten Loesing <karsten.loesing@gmx.net>: 2010-02-22 07:26:14 [ernie/master]: Make use of values in config file.
arma
sebastian: no, you are thinking outboundbindaddress, not address.
setting address should be fine.
Sebastian
arma: hm. I guess I am.
painkillers make brain even more mushy than it normally is
Parakeep
Folks, I did report without any of your reaction. I'm going to do with it something else in some different place.
Sebastian
Parakeep: hm?
Parakeep: when I got back to reading backlog, you were gone.
Not easy to discuss with someone who is not there.
arma
parakeep: we do have a flyspray.....
jeez.
maybe he was thinking he should do the report on flyspray. :}
Sebastian
heh.
arma
hoo, bug 1254 looks interesting.
Sebastian
yes.
arma
oh good. not so bad.
we just incompletely zero it out.
(maybe he *did* mean flyspray.)
nsa
or: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 06:58:10 [tor/master]: network-status-version must come first in a vote/consensus
arma
hey
Parakeep
Someone thinks about conformance issue, someone thinks about broken consensus.
arma
btw, i like how ekir just submitted a flyspray entry. putting things on flyspray is really helpful for us.
tell me more about the broken consensus? seems to me that as long as no authorities make one, it should be ok.
Parakeep
As many hours as only one authoritie can be dosed but still produce vote. Legacy key defined as T01 but going to consensus, if dosser can appends it to vote as fist line and post to others. If any one "vote" has different legacy line then consensus broken. Or just for fun can be the same line with fun hex string.
arma
once enough authorities upgrade, they will refuse the vote, right?
Parakeep
yes
arma
oh, you're talking about legacy keys. how would the dosser rearrange the vote and have the signature still work?
or are you imagining a dosser who owns the legacy private key
Parakeep
no need key, just one string going to header of consensus.
arma
hm. i still don't quite follow the attack. it seems a bit impractical.
Parakeep
!tor_digest_is_zero(get_voter(v)->legacy_id_digest) will be true with such vote
It can be dossed as many hours as need. Or fun consensus with fun hex string like where can be encode that it was broken etc.
If you think that it a bit impractical, then it a impractical.
arma
in any case, it will be good to get a majority of the authorities to upgrade
i think most of them are running the 0.2.2.x dev series though, so it will happen soon enough
0.2.2.2-alpha is coming out today sometime (finally)
err
and by that, i mean 0.2.2.9-alpha
Parakeep
re: I like flyspray too but I don't have account, and don't like web things.
nsa
or: Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org>: 2010-02-22 09:01:04 [tor/master]: Merge commit 'sebastian/osxinstructions'
or: Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org>: 2010-02-20 23:19:41 [tor/master]: Update the osx dmg creation instructions
arma
wonder what my 'merge commit' was
Sebastian
my branch wasn't based on current HEAD, so a merge was necessary.
The merge commit is the point where previous HEAD and my branch come together
arma
oh. if i had rebased it on my side, it would not have needed a merge?
and i would have burned in somebody's hell. but not mine. :)
Sebastian
exactly
I wouldn't have cared, but many consider that bad style.
(you wouldn't have actually hurt anything, because nobody based any work on my stuff)
grumpy3
Sebastian: I changed a network element on the line and it seems the problem is not raised anymore... (10 minutes wihtout a log about dns)
Sebastian: it may be the set of elements that make that happens: buggy link, heavily-loaded exit node...
Sebastian: moreover, that change made the upload rate increasing of 50% !!
arma
network element?
Sebastian
grumpy3: so you didn't change anything in the torrc?
grumpy3
arma: media converter
Sebastian: nope
my conc: fast but bad link
Sebastian
hm
So your upload rate doubling sure sounds like we were hitting some kind of congestion issues
So my theory could still be valid
grumpy3
Sebastian: but feel free to ask me some data, if you need it
Sebastian
hm. How long do worst-case resolves typically take for you?
grumpy3
don't know. Right now it's timing out. But Tor does not complain... I definitively have to debug my DNS problems.
Sebastian
ok
please do debug then, and then come back if Tor is still complaining :)
grumpy3
I'll
:)
Sebastian
thank you
grumpy3
thank you
nsa
or: sebastian committed revision 21723 (/projects/todo): 4 new branches
or: Karsten Loesing <karsten.loesing@gmx.net>: 2010-02-22 14:24:30 [ernie/master]: Parse cached-* files from local Tor client and sort descriptors into directory structure.
Str
hi
Sebastian
hi
Str
english is not my nativ language
but when i connect to google.com with an USA exit node it displays everything in my nativ language
how do then know o.o
Sebastian
You might not be using Tor, or you might not be using Torbutton
Str
i use it 100%
got an usa ip
Sebastian
ok. Are you using Torbutton?
Str
No. Vidalia + Privoxy
Sebastian
ah. You should use Torbutton.
Str
well where's the differce
Sebastian
There's no safe way to use Tor for sane webbrowsing except when using Firefox with the Torbutton addon (and Privoxy or Polipo)
Str
ok but why
Sebastian
https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/design/
Str
thanks but can you say it in some words the docs are incredible long
what's the point^^
my ip address is changes as well
so some http headers dont change or...I dont get it
Sebastian
there are many ways to still get your real IP address when you don't use Torbutton.
Headers, language preferences, etc
dun
you still have cookies, javascript, plugins, cache, preferred language in firefox (last one might be the reason for your german google)
Str
well thx for looking up my ip adress
anyway sound reasonable
dun
"* Str (~Str@g224250017.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat #tor betreten" i wasnt looking up, just looking ;)
Str
but apart from those things that are visible - my ip should be still hidden
ok got it installed
can't really test it as my exit node is now german
should work anyway
thanks for the quick and polite help
will donate some euros in the future
gl
Sebastian
that would be great
Str
hi well sry to bother you agin but i have a french ip now with torbutton and still german google
FullFlannelJacket
German google = sehr gut
I love me some Deutsche google
Sebastian
Str: torbutton doesn't clear your cookies until you toggle it. Try enabling/disabling Tor, or restarting your firefox.
Str
cookie ar gone checked it
Sebastian
also check that you didn't accidentally go to google.de
Str
are*
FullFlannelJacket
Does Torbutton completely disable Javascript?
Str
a damn .de
stupid i am sry
je vais Recherche Google s'il vous plais
merci
Sebastian
Str: :-)
Str: if you want some German Tor people, join #tor-de
FullFlannelJacket: no, it does not.
Str
na english is fine
but thx anyway
FullFlannelJacket
Sebastian: So I suppose it is more secure to just disable javascript all together, right?
Sebastian
FullFlannelJacket: depends. Disabling javascript altogether leads most users to make use of some black/whitelist approach, which is not good.
If you don't allow any js ever, yes, that's probably safer than torbutton. On the other hand, you're one of very few people without any js.
FullFlannelJacket
Sebastian: So you're saying not using JS makes one identifiable
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