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bja_
bon apetit
SwissTorExit
merci ^^
Sebastian: , super, work like a charme in my other OS too :P
well my food are too cook, cya in a while :D
and problem i have early with a few irc are away, it was many time host not found, sure while it searched to resolve to Tor and wasen't able to do, now it's nice again :D
ultramage
hmm, just watching an older presentation video... "TOR splits its traffic into 512 byte blocks"
reminded me of http://netvor.sk/~umage/wtf/putty-1460+76-fragmentation.png and http://codepad.org/emastMnH
when I do transfers in 512 byte blocks from my windows machine, my bandwidth is halved
s/bandwidth/throughput where latency > bandwidth/
synx
hoorjay hidden service is working again
subbie3
what hidden service
SwissTorExit
night guys :D
ninja
How do I start tor.exe without it spawning a console window?
synx
-quiet I think
ninja
ah okay
thanks
even on Windows?
         

synx
Have no clue.
ninja
okay
thanks
synx
On Linux it stays in the background anyway.
ninja
yeah exactly
phobos
https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#WinNTService
that might be the best option
ninja
alright I'll try that
phobos
Sebastian: one reason we stopped forcing ssl rewrites on torproject.org is that when ioerror_sfo was in the middle east, he found ssl blocked, but not non-ssl
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21704 (/website/trunk/en): put blutmagie's tor status page first, since it actually works.
mib_r3y0y9
hello, I've an error with vidalia tor
Unacceptable option value: Servers must be able to freely connect to the rest of the Internet, so they must not set UseBridges
what is the wrong
phobos
you can't be a relay and require bridges
mib_r3y0y9
mmmm, thanks
nsa
or: ioerror committed revision 21705 (/projects/chumby): A small patch to zlib's Makefile for Chumby related building
or: ioerror committed revision 21706 (/projects/chumby/patches): A small patch to openssl's Makefile for Chumby related building
or: ioerror committed revision 21707 (/projects/chumby): Initial build script to build binaries for a Chumby One - it needs work
ninja
none of the download links on torproject.org seems to work
unless you go up one directory and clicks there
nsa
or: ioerror committed revision 21708 (/projects/chumby): Update documentation on building the binaries for the Chumby mod
phobos
ninja: what page are you on?
ipjdsf
I had a question about the tor VM
say I used yahoo chat on it, would everything be encrypted?
anat
ipjdsf: the traffic between you and the exit node would be encrypted. from the exit node on it wouldn't be encrypted.
synx
not that simple ipjdsf. if you want just chat to be encrypted, either run your own IRC server (over tor), or use OTR.
ipjdsf
anat, thanks, sorry though: I already knew that.
synx
might be easier to run one's own jabber server over TOR actually.
         

ipjdsf
synx, i want to chat on yahoo
synx
I've never been able to figure out how to get IRC Nickserv/Chanserv/etc working...
ipjdsf
is that possible
synx
ipjdsf: Well call up Yahoo Inc. and tell them that you'd like them to provide a TOR hidden service to their messaging network.
anat
ipjdsf
synx, do you know the TorVM?
synx
what's possible is you to run an openfire server or whatever. But Yahoo refuses to run anything like TOR, and refuses to let anyone else participate in their proprietary network.
ipjdsf: Uh, no... I just use tor...
ipjdsf
synx, I'm asking about TorVM
synx
I'm fairly sure Yahoo doesn't use anything like TorVM either.
ipjdsf
a lot of noobs in here lately
dr|z3d, say I used yahoo chat on it, would everything be encrypted?
on torVM
synx
oh that thing that puts your entire tor into a VPN
ipjdsf: no
ipjdsf
synx, why not?
synx
ipjdsf: It would only be encrypted up to the exit node, and then unencrypted for the exit node, Yahoo, and every IPv4 router in between.
sorry I've been using tor forever, but still kind of a noob at understanding it...
ipjdsf: because Yahoo doesn't provide a hidden service with which to access their IM servers.
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21709 (/torbrowser/trunk): update to pidgin 2.6.6.
ipjdsf
synx, that is a given
and im not asking about a hidden service
phobos
torvm just forces all tcp into tor
synx
anything that is not a hidden service has to pass through an exit node. and after that it's not in the tor network at all.
phobos
it's still just tor
ipjdsf
phobos, does it prevent udp and other traffic from slipping out?
phobos
yes
ipjdsf
phobos, always?
phobos, how about flash hooks?
phobos
the most accurate answer is "it should"
synx
Flash hooks use TCP...
phobos
if you want to run binary blobs, then you probably lose
ipjdsf
binary blobs?
lose?
phobos
since flash can look at the local interfaces and report back over tor your assigned IP address
synx
Flash is closed source. Nobody knows exactly what it does, except Macromedia and Adobe, Inc.
phobos
flash is an executing program, like an .exe, it can do whatever you can do locally
ipjdsf
phobos, so does it stop flash from giving away your IP or not?
you said it does it "over tor"
I would infer that that means it doesn't
synx
If your only network was a VPN proxying through TOR, then it wouldn't show your IP. You wouldn't even have an IP, except on the proxy computer running tor.
if that proxy were a different computer than the one you ran Flash on, you're probably pretty sure of not leaking any IPs. But really... you could just not run Flash.
phobos
flash can ask windows for the ip addresses of the network cards
since the flash app can't talk directly back to example.com, it will open a socket, and talk back to example.com over tor, because torvm forces all tcp over tor
maybe you don't care that your local network card IP address is 10.1.1.2
and maybe you don't care that flash reports that back to example.com
flash can also cache its own cookies, so you get an identifier, like "user one"
so even if you are using tor, and exiting from france, germany, japan, or malaysia, flash can still know you are user one
and if you are user one from 10.1.1.2, that's two pieces of information it has about you
anat
flash could also steal any saved usernames and passwords from your browser, and your browser history
synx
yay
Does anyone know how to get on Rizon? There's a few channels there my associates were on, but they block tor.
alternatively does anyone know of a tor-friendly IRC network where people could do weird goofy roleplaying type stuff.
ipjdsf
synx, you can use tor to play mud games
synx
lol
most MUD clients have crazy high timeouts.
plus like I said I can't figure how to get IRC services working. It's really hackish and complicated.
much less make an IRC server robust enough to handle attacks from tor users.
ipjdsf
make registration mandatory then
synx
these guys already think I'm ridiculously paranoid for not going on Rizon with my naked IP.
I'd need some place like OFTC... accessible both over normal Internets and TOR.
where the paranoid and the complacent can come together in peace!
ipjdsf
synx how old are you? just curious.
synx
I'm only three years old!
...old enough to understand the reference to that. <.<
so... hey, pretty picture!
http://2cforvw2mwtqcl2m.onion/code/scheme/imageTagger/taggingDBD.jpg
anat
https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/BlockingIrc#NetworksthattrytoprovidenormalaccesstoTorandremoveK-lines
synx
thanks anat I really should bookmark that place...
Freenode and OFTC are the only ones I know who offer actual hidden services.
ipjdsf
synx, have you figured out how to get a tor cloak?
synx
wouldn't you just get that implicitly? ._. Dunno.
ipjdsf
maybe if i knew what that non-existant word meant
well ill be damned
synx
Freenode actually has it set up so your hostmask has your logged-in name in it, regardless of what your nick is. So people can whitelist individuals even on TOR. This place it's just random I think...
but I'm identified, so you can whitelist me just by my nick.
I better be identified at least. ¬.¬
anat
apparently that "PurpleSurge" network is blocking tor now... "*** You are banned from PurpleSurge (Tor exit server detected. See www.sectoor.de/tor.php?ip=195.184.125.162. If you believe you were banned in error, please email kline@purplesurge.com.)"
synx
anyway anyone who gets that picture it's a visual diagram of some of the trickier aspects of folksonomy tagging
Legion
lol.
synx
red doesn't always mean red
Legion
you're right!
ould be code for commie.
could*
synx
yeah that's another synonym.
Sebastian_
hey.
#nottor, please.
synx
could add profiles of Stalin to my diagram
Sebastian_: I was demonstrating a working hidden service
Legion
is onionforum down?
torifythenet
black means red red means green all in all it was a good dream synx
whatcha say?
synx
for every to there is a fro, for every stop there is a go, and that's what makes the world go round!
Sebastian_
I wasn't joking. Take your offtopic stuff to #nottor
Legion
Gee, I see one op in this channel and I'm not looking at him.
How about asking nicely. Telling people what to do isn't very polite or effective without a big stick in the other hand.
Anyway...yeah. #nottor is a good idea for this kinda stuff.
Back to my original question. Is it just me or is Onionforum down?
(l6nvqsqivhrunqvs.onion)
Sebastian_
it's not down.
Tas
works for me, too
Legion
Ahem. There went irc..
Tas
l6nvqsqivhrunqvs.onion works for me
Legion
Hm.
Reloading like the fist of the north star
Still isn't working for me, sadly.
`Orum
keep trying
K3yvn
hey
Runa
hi
K3yvn
runa: hey do you know a lot about Tor on a technical level?
Runa
K3yvn: there are better people to ask, but just write your question and we'll see who answers :)
K3yvn
haha yeah the problem is the question is not so specific, but here we go i'll try
im learning ruby on rails and i thought a cool project idea would be a website that acts as a front-end to Tor. but im doubtful that it is technically possible
basically you'd go to the website, and be able to change the identity of your session (other users would be able to change to different identities independently, for their own sessions)
and the rails server would route its page-fetching requests through that Tor client somehow
i suppose i need ot take a look at Tor's api
but i dont know much about tor, its been years since ive used it
Runa
but hm.. these days, users can change identity using vidalia
K3yvn
right, but the point is for less tech-saavy users to be able to use a website to anonymize
like the web-based proxies like hidemyass.com
but actually smart, because its plugged into the Tor network
is there any way to send a command to change identities to tor from within the Mac OS X terminal? or some other programmatic way ?
i'm looking at the vidalia and tor code but i cant really figure it out
nvm just found the controlport
CokeFein
anyway to make tor listen on a dnsport via talkin through controlport? cause I didn't see it
and setting DNSPort in the config is annoyin
SwissTorExit
hi CokeFein, always with your DNS ;)
Ammler
I
sorry :-)
I am interested on setup tor on my vserver, is it possible to define a blacklist of exit target to prevent bans for other services?
for example that nobody is using it to join irc.oftc.net with my exit.
also how is the system resource management, do I need to use nice or are there already some settings to get low priority to it?
BarkerJr
you can configure it to block specific IPs and/or ports
I don't think that it does niceing automatically, but keep in mind that it's mostly single-threaded, so it'll mostly only use one CPU (leaving any others free)
Ammler
if I block for example 6667:6697, would it still work as a bridge for those services?
BarkerJr
as a relay, yes, but not an exit
Ammler
ah, relay it is called... :-)
BarkerJr
to be clear here, though, you can be a bridge or an exit, but not both
ok :)
Ammler
oh
BarkerJr
a bridge refers to an unpublished entry to the tor network that people in china and iran use cause the published tor relays are blocked
Ammler
but I can be a relay and exit at same time?
BarkerJr
yes
by default, these networks and ports are blocked from exiting: https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ#DefaultPorts
in addition, your own server's public IP is blocked
Ammler
hmm, so someone can't visit my web with tor anymore then?
oh, just with my tor
BarkerJr
right
although you can allow it if you like
tor just defaults to block incase you have any service that would allow extra privilages from its ownip
Ammler
he indeed, seems desirable
webmin and such runs from localhost only (with ssh tunnel)
BarkerJr
if you do decide to allow your own IP, you get the benefit that anyone trying to connect to your site via tor will always use your relay
Ammler
so this could work then also with tor)
BarkerJr
then you know that it's encrypted end-to-end
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