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MoiraA
ports are 7000 and 7010 for now
you shouldn;'t need SSL if you get SASL to work
swoody: the only way freenode allow tor connections is by gpg key
swoody
MoiraA, it used to be like that, but they now accept tor/SASL
MoiraA
since yesterday? oh good lol
neither SSL nor SASL work with xchat aqua
not their damned certificate anyway
does tor do a sort of operabutton?
like torbutton for firefox, but for opera?
Sebastian
no
MoiraA
so I need to put the ports etc in myself?
(Action) gulps
ages since I had to remember them
9050 isn't it?
Sebastian
no, you need to not use Opera with Tor
MoiraA
oh
well erm safari?
Sebastian
if you want to, socks port 9050 it is
Firefox with Torbutton is the only analyzed browser
MoiraA
FF didn't get on with this macbood
it was when I tried copying across app data
got in a sort of mess
(Action) will try again
         

swoody
when it comes to IRC, what does tor offer than a hostname cloak doesn't?
Sebastian
anonymity?
or, at least, pseudonymity.
MoiraA
it is so much more than a hostname
swoody
from whom though? the IRC network? Can the users still access my info?
Sebastian
from the irc network, for example
swoody
I hope I'm not coming off as ill-tempered, or questioning you, but I'm just curious and a real Tor noob :)
Sebastian
I don't feel questioned
I'm just answering
swoody
but what would the issue be with the network having my info, if it's not a malicious network?
:)
?^^
Sebastian
dude, now you're coming off as impatient.
swoody
sorry, just didn't know if you didn't notice that last question :/
Sebastian
I notice almost everything on #tor. I prefer to give good answers if I can, which might take some time.
swoody
sorry, again it wasn't my intention to rush you :)
Sebastian
maybe they're secretly malicious, or some third party forces server operators to reveal your identity, or someone watches the irc network's connection and is thus able to correlate your identity with your cloak. Or a not-evil network becomes evil suddenly.
the difference is anonymity by design versus anonymity by policy.
swoody
ah ok, well that makes a bit more sense :)
Sebastian
glad to help.
swoody
I appreciate the input :)
still no luck with freenode though, and I wound up speaking with two different staffers :/
Sebastian
well, their ircd is very new. Not that many people use Tor compared to their userbase. Looks like they haven't forgotten about Tor users, though, so I'm hopeful they will fix their service.
TUX
Anyone in this channel use BitBlinder? comments?
arma
"is that thing still around?"
TUX
yea
lol
         

arma
how's it doing?
TUX
So far, its seems not to bad
arma
last i checked, there were some big anonymity issues they didn't have answers for (nobody does), and they also had troubles making their currency be a, well, currency
TUX
Download speeds are correct for a service of that type
as far as anonymity goes..... that I don'T know yet
I just discovered the project...
It seems like Big Brother might have its hands in the project.... I just finished viewing a youtube video, where the owners say that the FBI has already talked to them....
arma
i wouldn't be too worried about that. it's only smart to talk to all sides of any debate. fbi needs anonymity too, after all.
TUX
well the FBI would obviously be worried about illegal use on the network...
misc
i think the fbi would be worried by real crime
TUX
of course, however cyber crime is a real threat!!!
misc
anonimity != cybercrime
TUX
misc: to a degree. For exemple. I use Truecrypt on my laptop. Now I have nothing secret to hide... however, my hard drive is still encrypted lol
arma
tux: you might start out by reading the abuse faq.
https://www.torproject.org/faq-abuse.html.en
TUX
arma: I'm aware of the faq lol
misc
TUX: well, i use dm-crypt, and I have the various password of website to hide, and that's not a crime either
TUX
lol
arma: what issues did you have with BitBlinder? The project seems interesting
arma
tux: i don't remember in detail. it's been a long time since i looked at it, and it has hopefully changed since then
for a primer, check out my blog post:
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/two-incentive-designs-tor
TUX
ok thanks
backtick
hmmm is it just me or have hidden services gotten a lot less reliable since I last played with them a year or so ago?
phobos
(Action) would argue the opposite has occurred
backtick
hmmm well the option of its me was eft as acceptable :)
because if thats the case, I have achieved epic fail
phobos
for the hidden services I host, they perform better and are much more reliable
for those that others host, I don't know if they are actually up or down, or i can't find them in the dht
backtick
I was figuring as much since Id assume the wikileaks service would be reliable, I can't get any to load
phobos
wl is down for the most part
backtick
ahh good to know
I got mine to load a few times a few days ago, but, it hasn't worked since
nsa
or: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.jussieu.fr>: 2010-02-01 01:13:37 [polipo/master]: Update copyright statements to include Christopher.
jn
I found the tool for searching http://archive.torproject.org - https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/archives/trunk/exonerator/
dun
just browsing torstatus out of curiosity.. whats the point of running an exit node with "reject *:1-65535 accept *:*" exit policy?
is there something i dont get?
r1eo
are you talking about relay "b0red"?
dun
yes
r1eo
looks like some fraud, it have exit flag but non exit allows at real.
dun
so its just to be marked as an exit? ok, thats what i thought
r1eo
it bypasses checks in code with ugle exit policy "reject *:1-65534, reject *:65535, accept *:*"
dun
just to make sure, does http://fezovv7ldncjbyk3.onion:666/ work for anyone else?
cdc_
anyone else experiencing problems with eventdns?
Feb 02 12:14:40.822 [warn] eventdns: All nameservers have failed
it seems like tor does something weird. dns works for all other services
Sebastian
cdc_: you're using a local nameserver on 127.0.01?
dun: nice discovery
dun
discovery? :)
Sebastian
that's a bug.
dun
mh
Sebastian, who do you mean, me or cdc_?
Sebastian
dun: your bug is a new bug, and cdc_'s bug is probably one that is already fixed, but I want to make sure.
dun
i'm confused, where is the bug? :)
Sebastian
dun: https://bugs.torproject.org/flyspray/index.php?do=details&id=1238
cdc_
Sebastian: no, but local as on the same network as my node
dun
ahhh, you mean b0red! ok, thought you were referring to my .onion server. ok
Sebastian
cdc_: ok. Do you set the config option Address?
cdc_
Sebastian: yes
Sebastian
ok.
dun
yeah well, no problem :)
Sebastian
cdc_: what happens is that Tor makes a connection to that host with the IP set in in Address. Your nameserver doesn't like that
cdc_
Sebastian: hmm, any workaround for that?
murb
Sebastian: yes, but this is a common problem, maybe it should be mentioned in the manpage?
cdc_: permit access from that ougoing ip to your nameserver.
Sebastian
cdc_: we recently fixed that for connections to your loopback.
murb
Sebastian: ah
Sebastian
murb: that's a workaround, no fix
murb
Sebastian: i found other applications with the same problem, so it was a fix as far as i'm concerned.
Sebastian
dun: feel free to sign up to flyspray and watch your bug get fixed, hopefully :)
cdc_: Will you file that bug, or shall I?
cdc_
murb: they're owned by the isp. cant do anything about it
dun
Sebastian, i will
cdc_
Sebastian: can do, but need to get some food first
Sebastian
cdc_: sure, it doesn't matter to me.
cdc_: I think I may have a fix.
cdc_: Do you know how to build from source?
cdc_
Sebastian: yes, its 0.2.2.8-alpha
Sebastian
cdc_: ok, let me fix my fix
grml, my fix didn't work
cdc_: hrm, so we won't get around that bugreport. I don't like messing with eventdns.c
dun
Sebastian, can you help me with a flyspray registration issue or is there someone else to bother? :)
Sebastian
dun: bother away
r1eo
can anyone explain: 1) why connection_handle_listener_read() goes far if getsockname() failed and do not return after such. 2) why getsockname() called at all, what purpose for retrieve local addr and put it as remote? at least fail of check_sockaddr() can be triggered remotely in theory.
dun
so I registered (username: dun), the code mail arrived immediately, I confirmed it, set a PW but couldnt login after that. so I thought maybe i misspelled my PW (twice..) and clicked "lost password", entered "dun", hit send. that was couple of minutes ago and there is no mail. is that another bug i accidentally discovered? ;)
Sebastian
dun: I wouldn't be surprised. We're looking at replacing this piece of &#*Y@# bugtracker
dun
*g* ok
Sebastian
I find no user dun, actually.
dun
mh, I'll try again
Sebastian
ok
dun
now it worked, strange. thanks anyway ;)
Sebastian
yup, looks good
r1eo: hm. No idea.
cdc_: when filing, please include as much info from irc as possible.
cdc_
Sebastian: yeah, btw - i dont think that the resolver rejects my tornode ip. resolving within that jail is just fine
Sebastian
cdc_: ok, maybe my theory is wrong.
but I think it isn't
;)
konss
guys do u think that the goal of 5000 relays will be reached?
misc
what goal ?
Sebastian
unsure. I personally don't think so. 5000 as a sum of relays and bridges, yes, hopefully.
konss
google has ban tor
can not use it
lets see yahoo
Sorry, Unable to process request at this time -- error 999.
same thing
I think the only way for tor to survive is to become more firewall penatrating tool
otherwise everybody will bann itand noone will be able to use it
altavista is working
cdc_
Sebastian: hmm, i just switched nameservers in my resolv.conf to figure out if the primary ns acts strange..
konss
guys do u know a manul page about using popipo in windows.There is no useful info on its page.
Sebastian
cdc_: ok
konss
It looks like skype has ban tor either
dun
google and yahoo work just fine for me.
konss
yes
they did
well it ask me to do captcha thing
talking about google
and when I do it stil does not show any results
guys you should seriosly reconsider the way tor work
I like its phylosophy
about giving the right to people to be anonymious
misc
that's a well know fact, this is a automated check
konss
however the guys who run the show as you have not already noticed does not like that
so I hope I'm mistaking
but I thinkg soon tor will be banned all over
misc
and well, if they wanted to prevent you from using tor, they could simply blacklisting you
konss
the only way to avoid this is by changing how tor works
misc
since there is a dnsbl operated to prevent abuse
konss
and hides its nodes
I used to run a tor server
and then suddenly I find out that my ip is banned all over from the entire irc
also private torrnet trackers and so on
then I decided to do an experiment
called my isp and changed my ip address
started an tor server with no exit
than in a matter of days my ip was banned again
cdc_
btw, topic is outdated (:
konss
so I guess u understand what i mean
noone person would like to runa tor on it is own machine
misc
I do
konss
ok
not noone
just a few
and the main goal should be diversity and a lot of exit nodes
this can not happen in teh way tor works right now
misc
if someone blacklist you from running a relay, then you should explain why it should not be blacklisted, and how he can use tor dnsbl to have a exact list of server
konss
for example I quitted runing a tor server, just I do no want my ip to be banned
misc
konss: ok, so how can you distribute the exit node list without having it public ?
konss
well that it is main chanlenge
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