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nsa
or: arma committed revision 21652 (/website/trunk/en): put my 'authenticating irc proxy' blurb onto the volunteer page
SwissTorExit
but work if i do "sudo make" instead make
i wil complete the bug report, thanks for the fix, middle are done
nickm: request send to re-open the bug :P
nsa
or: arma committed revision 21653 (/website/trunk/projects/en): the in-progress draft of my "all tor projects" list. better to
or: commit it even if it's not done, than leave it in my sandbox to
or: get lost.
helix
that's like a tennyson poem
arma
heh
helix: you'll find a treasure trove of random things in that page. you could even explore them one at a time and ask me what they are and clean up the page :)
helix
yeah, right now I'm considering fixing all of the various $LANG wmls to update the repository info...
gionnico
hello
arma
hey
gionnico
can I use tor directly
without polipo or privoxy
if I have patched tsocks
(linux)
         

arma
yes. as for a patched tsocks, check out 'torsocks'
anrxc
you can continue using your tsocks configuration with it, everything stays the same
but it introduces improvements
gionnico
arma: is torsocks included within tor?
arma
nope
gionnico
ah gentoo doesnt have it
arma
http://code.google.com/p/torsocks/
gionnico
and how do I setup firefox
SOCK5 or SOCKS4a
if i use tor directly?
arma
use torbutton.
gionnico
arma: do i need torbutton for dns stuff?
anrxc
socks5 in firefox proxy preferences... but torbutton does more than just proxy settings
it protects your privacy by blocking plugins, protecting history... and so on
BarkerJr
I can't wait for chrome to support tor
arma
barkerjr: https://groups.google.com/group/chromium-extensions/browse_thread/thread/ceba26ca9e2f6a78?hl=en
murb
arma: which is all well and good, but it would be nice if it had a whitelist for plugins.
s/plugins/extensions/
as it doesn't appear to block flash.
gionnico
can I setup tor
... to use an external proxy?
it's an external http proxy
and i'm forced to use it if i want to surf the net
arma
murb: which 'it'?
gionnico: yes
murb
arma: incongnito
arma
who is talking about incognito? :)
ah, perhaps you mean 'private browsing mode'?
murb
isn't that what chromium call it?
s/call/&s/
gionnico
arma: how?
phobos
yeah, chrome has incognito mode
firefox has private browsing mode
         

gionnico
so with firefox private browsing + tor , torbutton is no more needed
phobos
no
murb
phobos: ah, that must be a new development.
gionnico
so firefox was patched for dns requests with socks
i thought that was main reason for using polipo/privoxy
murb
gionnico: no there are things like plugins that break it.
phobos
firefox needs torbutton, regardless of mode
misc
torbutton is doing more than ff private browsing, i think
murb
e.g.flash or javascript.
gionnico
i have noscript
murb
gionnico: so you can on a site per site basis decide who can identify you?
gionnico
also if i do want flash
murb
gionnico: i still don'tthinkthat is sufficent.
gionnico
torbutton will block it
murb
gionnico: if you enabled flash you've lost.
(generally speaking)
gionnico
my main aim is to go out
and surf forbidden websites for my proxy
I dont care if proxy will block flash requests outgoing from my computer
so how can i configure tor to use an http proxy?
arma
httpsproxy
(see the man page)
gionnico
i dont have it
AstralStorm
gionnico: of course you still need torbutton
and tor shouldn't use upstream http proxies
otherwise it is trivial to detect if you've visited a site
gionnico
AstralStorm: it's trivial for a human
not for squid
AstralStorm
... no
it's trivial for a proper cgi script at the target website
also, what kind of proxying are you talking about?
gionnico
AstralStorm: ah i dont care
AstralStorm: i have university http proxy
AstralStorm
tor -> proxy or proxy -> tor?
gionnico
me -> tor -> proxy -> any website
AstralStorm
nah, can't use that one, tor is already outside your LAN
can't work.
well, it *could* work if your http proxy supports CONNECT
gionnico
it does on 443
AstralStorm
if it does, set httpsproxy <foo> option in torrc
gionnico
ok
AstralStorm
don't do that if it's not necessary
gionnico
AstralStorm: it is I need that proxy
AstralStorm
mhm :)
of note, some proxies limit ports to which you can CONNECT
if that's the case, set FascistFirewall option properly too
gionnico
looks mine does too
does this mean that tor can only connect to relays listening on 80 or 443 ?
AstralStorm
you mean your proxy and tor
yes
you can set FirewallPorts to whatever your https proxy allows
default is 80 and 443
gionnico
ah ok perfect
so there're already lots of relays
listening on 80 and 443 ?
AstralStorm
the bad side of this option is that there are fewer nodes running on these ports
enough
gionnico
ok. this should be better than openvpn anyways
since it's more "direct"
should be faster...
AstralStorm
depends on what your goal is
faster? I don't think so, unless your openvpn target is very slow
tor still is not what I'd call fast
arma
gionnico: vidalia also supports the httpsproxy option in its gui, if you prefer guis.
gionnico
arma: no i hate guis :D
arma
hate guis and doesn't know what a man page is? rough combinatin
helix
well, he uses gentoo
arma
they don't have 'man'?
or was your point a more general "who knows *what*'s wrong with his brain"
helix
that is the distro I would expect to find at the intersection of 'hates guis' and 'doesn't know what a man page is'
murb
i thoguth gentoo required users atleast to have read the gcc manpage..
phobos
just portage
helix
who does our ebuild anyway?
(Action) googles
phobos
christian something
i met him at fosdem
murb
otherwiehwo do they fund out about -funroll-loops :)
arma
murb: a wiki page, of course.
helix
gentoo actually has exceptional installation instructions
AstralStorm
that few people read properly :(
bja
(Action) prefers to keep his comments to himself
arma
swisstorexit: just reopened bug 1243 for you
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21654 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): add the dll that qt 4.6.2 wants to have.
or: phobos committed revision 21655 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts/config): stop pidgin from logging chats, thanks to anonym and moeedsalam in bug
or: 1227 for the config stanza.
or: phobos committed revision 21656 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts/config): satiate my paranoia and force remotedns on socks4, just in case.
or: phobos committed revision 21657 (/torbrowser/trunk): bump to tbb 1.3.2
or: phobos committed revision 21658 (/torbrowser/tags): tag tbb 1.3.2
or: phobos committed revision 21659 (/torbrowser/trunk): bump to tbb 1.3.3-dev
grishy
Hi
Sebastian
hi
grishy
I was wondering if there was a way to torify mIRC, anyoen got any ideas?
Sebastian
http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO/IrcSilc
grishy
yeah i foudn that already, but isn't it safer if i point it to polipo first? like port 8118 or something like that?
Sebastian
no
grishy
hmm i'll give it a shot then
thanks !
FullFlannelJacket
grishy: just point your IRC client to 127.0.0.1:9050
grishy
okay thank you
FullFlannelJacket
should be a proxy option within your IRC client, just point it to localhost:9050
Sebastian
FullFlannelJacket: that might not be enough.
so please just read the link I posted, and that's that.
grishy
alright
nsa
or: arma committed revision 21660 (/website/trunk/docs/en): remove a duplicate paragraph. put it back if you meant for
or: it to be there.
or: phobos committed revision 21661 (/website/trunk/include): release the new tor browser bundle into the wild.
or: phobos committed revision 21662 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): fix the url to the source svn.
or: phobos committed revision 21663 (/torbrowser/trunk): add one changelog item I missed for 1.3.2
BeNNy1
what is going to happen to tor as the domination of the internet by ipv6 draws nearer?
you have no plan?
Sebastian
Anyone with access to OS X 10.4 (Tiger) around?
BeNNy1: we currently don't.
BeNNy1: we're slowly making more parts of Tor compatible with ipv6
but no plan yet how to handle relays with ipv6 only
BeNNy1
Sebastian: can 6to4 make mixed relays?
Sebastian
not yet
ULTRA_SWIP_OVER
hello
ultra swip over here
where is my operator status
nsa
or: arma committed revision 21664 (/projects): move roadmaps from the old tor svn to a new directory in projects/
or: arma committed revision 21665 (/projects): and move the design papers to projects/ too
or: sebastian committed revision 21666 (/projects/design-paper): Update the Makefile for the design-paper. It isn't part of autoconf anymore
or: sebastian committed revision 21667 (/projects/todo): down to one branch again, woo
grumpy3
hello
is it possible to change the Tor config without restarting Tor?
Sebastian
yes
you need to send it a HUP signal
or use a Tor controller application
grumpy3
great, thanks. I'll go for the HUP signal :)
Why are all the DNS request emerging from an exit node in mixed case?
Sebastian
it's called the 0x20 hack to prevent some dns attacks. What you really shouldn't do, however, is look at exit traffic.
same goes for dns requests resolved by your exit.
grumpy3
I know that's bad. But that's an easy way to see if the node is fine after a reboot or a config change
nickm
What feature could we provide so you wouldn't feel the need to do that?
For more fun reading on the 02x0 hack, see http://fritz.cc.gt.atl.ga.us/ccs08/ccs202-dagon.pdf
grumpy3
thanks, I just found that one http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00
In the beginning I was using stuff like torstatus websites
but not really what I want
That's simply laziness
I need to write a small script that plot the traffic throughpout or something similar
I've tried w/ ntop, but that's clearly too much traffic to handle.
Sebastian
what exactly are you trying to see?
grumpy3
simply if there is some traffic going through and quantify it
but as I said, that's laziness. RRdtools and ifconfig should do the job
Sebastian
I'm kind of pushing this, because right now you're fulfilling the definition of a bad exit.
nickm
Sebastian: well, he's being bad through laziness.
grumpy3
but still bad
I got it
nickm
We should default so that the lazy way to assess whether you're relaying traffic is benign
laziness is supposed to be a supported operator mode.
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