or: arma committed revision 21652 (/website/trunk/en): put my 'authenticating irc proxy' blurb onto the volunteer page

but work if i do "sudo make" instead make
i wil complete the bug report, thanks for the fix, middle are done
nickm: request send to re-open the bug :P

or: arma committed revision 21653 (/website/trunk/projects/en): the in-progress draft of my "all tor projects" list. better to
or: commit it even if it's not done, than leave it in my sandbox to
or: get lost.

that's like a tennyson poem

heh
helix: you'll find a treasure trove of random things in that page. you could even explore them one at a time and ask me what they are and clean up the page :)

yeah, right now I'm considering fixing all of the various $LANG wmls to update the repository info...

hello

hey

can I use tor directly
without polipo or privoxy
if I have patched tsocks
(linux)

yes. as for a patched tsocks, check out 'torsocks'

you can continue using your tsocks configuration with it, everything stays the same
but it introduces improvements

arma: is torsocks included within tor?

nope

ah gentoo doesnt have it

http://code.google.com/p/torsocks/

and how do I setup firefox
SOCK5 or SOCKS4a
if i use tor directly?

use torbutton.

arma: do i need torbutton for dns stuff?

socks5 in firefox proxy preferences... but torbutton does more than just proxy settings
it protects your privacy by blocking plugins, protecting history... and so on

I can't wait for chrome to support tor

barkerjr: https://groups.google.com/group/chromium-extensions/browse_thread/thread/ceba26ca9e2f6a78?hl=en

arma: which is all well and good, but it would be nice if it had a whitelist for plugins.
s/plugins/extensions/
as it doesn't appear to block flash.

can I setup tor
... to use an external proxy?
it's an external http proxy
and i'm forced to use it if i want to surf the net

murb: which 'it'?
gionnico: yes

arma: incongnito

who is talking about incognito? :)
ah, perhaps you mean 'private browsing mode'?

isn't that what chromium call it?
s/call/&s/

arma: how?

yeah, chrome has incognito mode
firefox has private browsing mode

so with firefox private browsing + tor , torbutton is no more needed

no

phobos: ah, that must be a new development.

so firefox was patched for dns requests with socks
i thought that was main reason for using polipo/privoxy

gionnico: no there are things like plugins that break it.

firefox needs torbutton, regardless of mode

torbutton is doing more than ff private browsing, i think

e.g.flash or javascript.

i have noscript

gionnico: so you can on a site per site basis decide who can identify you?

also if i do want flash

gionnico: i still don'tthinkthat is sufficent.

torbutton will block it

gionnico: if you enabled flash you've lost.
(generally speaking)

my main aim is to go out
and surf forbidden websites for my proxy
I dont care if proxy will block flash requests outgoing from my computer
so how can i configure tor to use an http proxy?

httpsproxy
(see the man page)

i dont have it

gionnico: of course you still need torbutton
and tor shouldn't use upstream http proxies
otherwise it is trivial to detect if you've visited a site

AstralStorm: it's trivial for a human
not for squid

... no
it's trivial for a proper cgi script at the target website
also, what kind of proxying are you talking about?

AstralStorm: ah i dont care
AstralStorm: i have university http proxy

tor -> proxy or proxy -> tor?

me -> tor -> proxy -> any website

nah, can't use that one, tor is already outside your LAN
can't work.
well, it *could* work if your http proxy supports CONNECT

it does on 443

if it does, set httpsproxy <foo> option in torrc

ok

don't do that if it's not necessary

AstralStorm: it is I need that proxy

mhm :)
of note, some proxies limit ports to which you can CONNECT
if that's the case, set FascistFirewall option properly too

looks mine does too
does this mean that tor can only connect to relays listening on 80 or 443 ?

you mean your proxy and tor
yes
you can set FirewallPorts to whatever your https proxy allows
default is 80 and 443

ah ok perfect
so there're already lots of relays
listening on 80 and 443 ?

the bad side of this option is that there are fewer nodes running on these ports
enough

ok. this should be better than openvpn anyways
since it's more "direct"
should be faster...

depends on what your goal is
faster? I don't think so, unless your openvpn target is very slow
tor still is not what I'd call fast

gionnico: vidalia also supports the httpsproxy option in its gui, if you prefer guis.

arma: no i hate guis :D

hate guis and doesn't know what a man page is? rough combinatin

well, he uses gentoo

they don't have 'man'?
or was your point a more general "who knows *what*'s wrong with his brain"

that is the distro I would expect to find at the intersection of 'hates guis' and 'doesn't know what a man page is'

i thoguth gentoo required users atleast to have read the gcc manpage..

just portage

who does our ebuild anyway?
(Action) googles

christian something
i met him at fosdem

otherwiehwo do they fund out about -funroll-loops :)

murb: a wiki page, of course.

gentoo actually has exceptional installation instructions

that few people read properly :(

(Action) prefers to keep his comments to himself

swisstorexit: just reopened bug 1243 for you

or: phobos committed revision 21654 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): add the dll that qt 4.6.2 wants to have.
or: phobos committed revision 21655 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts/config): stop pidgin from logging chats, thanks to anonym and moeedsalam in bug
or: 1227 for the config stanza.
or: phobos committed revision 21656 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts/config): satiate my paranoia and force remotedns on socks4, just in case.
or: phobos committed revision 21657 (/torbrowser/trunk): bump to tbb 1.3.2
or: phobos committed revision 21658 (/torbrowser/tags): tag tbb 1.3.2
or: phobos committed revision 21659 (/torbrowser/trunk): bump to tbb 1.3.3-dev

Hi

hi

I was wondering if there was a way to torify mIRC, anyoen got any ideas?

http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO/IrcSilc

yeah i foudn that already, but isn't it safer if i point it to polipo first? like port 8118 or something like that?

no

hmm i'll give it a shot then
thanks !

grishy: just point your IRC client to 127.0.0.1:9050

okay thank you

should be a proxy option within your IRC client, just point it to localhost:9050

FullFlannelJacket: that might not be enough.
so please just read the link I posted, and that's that.

alright

or: arma committed revision 21660 (/website/trunk/docs/en): remove a duplicate paragraph. put it back if you meant for
or: it to be there.
or: phobos committed revision 21661 (/website/trunk/include): release the new tor browser bundle into the wild.
or: phobos committed revision 21662 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): fix the url to the source svn.
or: phobos committed revision 21663 (/torbrowser/trunk): add one changelog item I missed for 1.3.2

what is going to happen to tor as the domination of the internet by ipv6 draws nearer?
you have no plan?

Anyone with access to OS X 10.4 (Tiger) around?
BeNNy1: we currently don't.
BeNNy1: we're slowly making more parts of Tor compatible with ipv6
but no plan yet how to handle relays with ipv6 only

Sebastian: can 6to4 make mixed relays?

not yet

hello
ultra swip over here
where is my operator status

or: arma committed revision 21664 (/projects): move roadmaps from the old tor svn to a new directory in projects/
or: arma committed revision 21665 (/projects): and move the design papers to projects/ too
or: sebastian committed revision 21666 (/projects/design-paper): Update the Makefile for the design-paper. It isn't part of autoconf anymore
or: sebastian committed revision 21667 (/projects/todo): down to one branch again, woo

hello
is it possible to change the Tor config without restarting Tor?

yes
you need to send it a HUP signal
or use a Tor controller application

great, thanks. I'll go for the HUP signal :)
Why are all the DNS request emerging from an exit node in mixed case?

it's called the 0x20 hack to prevent some dns attacks. What you really shouldn't do, however, is look at exit traffic.
same goes for dns requests resolved by your exit.

I know that's bad. But that's an easy way to see if the node is fine after a reboot or a config change

What feature could we provide so you wouldn't feel the need to do that?
For more fun reading on the 02x0 hack, see http://fritz.cc.gt.atl.ga.us/ccs08/ccs202-dagon.pdf

thanks, I just found that one http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vixie-dnsext-dns0x20-00
In the beginning I was using stuff like torstatus websites
but not really what I want
That's simply laziness
I need to write a small script that plot the traffic throughpout or something similar
I've tried w/ ntop, but that's clearly too much traffic to handle.

what exactly are you trying to see?

simply if there is some traffic going through and quantify it
but as I said, that's laziness. RRdtools and ifconfig should do the job

I'm kind of pushing this, because right now you're fulfilling the definition of a bad exit.

Sebastian: well, he's being bad through laziness.

but still bad
I got it

We should default so that the lazy way to assess whether you're relaying traffic is benign
laziness is supposed to be a supported operator mode.