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NemesisD
hi all. i'm new to tor, is it possible for me to obtain an ip address to use tor? i want to use tor in an application i'm building, or does it not work that way?
Sebastian
if your application supports a socks proxy, it has tor support automatically
NemesisD
hmm, the documentation on this libarary is pretty thin, i'll dig into the source and see if I can figure out what it's using
Sebastian: but i wouldn't need the actual tor software to use it through socks right?
formalist
huh?
Sebastian
NemesisD: sure
atagar
NemesisD: hu? Not sure what you mean by 'documentation is thin'... this is one of the *most* documented projects I've ever worked with
NemesisD
atagar: was talking about WWW::Mechanize for ruby
and it turns out they use the net/http library which uses a simple http proxy, not socks, so it looks like no tor. any of you guys happen to know of an alternative?
atagar
Sebastian: the accornym 'CRLF' is used extensively in the control-spec but not defined there - do you know off hand which doc has it?
erg, checked the rest but no luck :(
Sebastian
atagar: I think it means \r\n ;)
and is assumed to be universally known
(crlf = carriage return, line feed)
         

atagar
Sebastian: gotcha - thanks
Sebastian
unless I'm wrong, of course
atagar
no, in context makes perfect sense
in that case now need to track down "SP Path"...
heh, again no definition - another universally known acconym?
arma
for 'SP'?
space
atagar
arma: Arg! Of couse...
arma
it's probably defined in some rfc we reference
atagar
I'm trying to answer a question that came up on or-talk about the path (if all the nicknames listed have the 'named' flag or if there might be ambiguity)
ah, got it - paths are made up of ServerIDs which is simply defined as "Nickname / Fingerprint"
Sebastian
I think getting rid of nicknames would be wise
atagar
so it is undefined then when nickname is used vs fingerprint?
Sebastian
when a node is not named, I assume the name cannot be used ;)
atagar
(shame on me btw for continually getting distracted by formatting accronyms... obvious now)
that's what I'd assume too, but before replying with that thought it best to make sure (since you're indeed allowed to take up any nickname you want - if it only applies when having the "named" flag is an important point)
arma
atagar: see if one of the extended commands will disambiguate it for you. i think it will.
atagar
arma: circuit-status doesn't have an extended counterpart (though I might be misunderstanding what you mean by this). I'm suggesting that this is undefined in the control-spec (I assume completeness is important), not concerned about usage (at least I haven't run into a problem with it)
lejonet
Anyone here know how I could get in touch with the author of the tor_aliases script? shellscript.org wont let me register to contact him and my best guess is that he is a tor user
blognewb
hi
does Tor have an RTMP module to redirect rtm protocols?
can tor redirect and anonymize rtmp
arma
atagar: usefeature verbose_names
blognewb
i am having problems :'(((
atagar
hmmmm, trying to test a relay and it's stuck in vidalia at the "Authenticating to Tor" step (keeps repeating: http://tor.pastebin.com/m2dc3aaab) - anyone familiar with what causes this? I'm finding calls to TorCtl produce output I'd never expected in this state so I'd like to understand what might cause this situation (ie, I'm not so concerned about fixing it atm)
this is with v0.2.1.20 so I'm curious if this is produced by a known (fixed) bug and hence not a state I particularly need to be worried about
if not then I'll need to send a bug report for TorCtl ;)
blognewb
hey guys does Tor also cover RTMP?
how can i set RTMP to use tor? does tor only support HTTP, SOCKS and FTP etc?
https
atagar
blognewb: tor is able to handle any ipv4 tcp traffic so yes, rtmp is supported when directed to the socks proxy
         

blognewb
atagar: do you know of a standalone download manager that can perform that? i have orbit downloader :'(
socks v4?
atagar
blognewb: I think what you're looking for is: http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorifyHOWTO
blognewb
atagar: thank you.. do you use any similar programs yoursefl?
like say i would want to dl a flv video online
nsa
or: kaner committed revision 21634 (/projects/gettor): Remove old files from rsync dirs on sync
atagar
I don't personally use tor as a client (so won't be able to help with specifics) - I mostly stick to issues concerned with relay operation
Issue mentioned above (being stuck at authentication) has resolved itself... unfortunatly. Pity since it's hard to get tor stuck in that sort of state and seemed to be relealing a lot of delicious potential bugs... :(
psk
:q
oops, sorry
blognewb
hi guys can i use torsocks on windows?
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21635 (/website/trunk): add maemo package repo.
or: phobos committed revision 21636 (/website/trunk/en): fix the img tag.
or: phobos committed revision 21637 (/website/trunk/images/distros): resize the maemo logo to something sane.
torifythenet
torify the internets
:)
Neosymbio
I have a question, if anyone is available to help: When using Tor through Firefox, the speed is INCREDIBLY slow. I can barely even use it. It can take up to two minutes for a page to load, and even then, likely not entirely.
I understand that I'm going through someone else's network, but this seems way to slow, with that considered.
Sebastian_
You might be unlucky. Are you using Vidalia? If so, clicking on "new identity" might help.
Neosymbio
Indeed, I'm using Vidalia. I've tried that, thinking it was just the particular relay.
Didn't seem to help :-/
Sebastian_
hm
Neosymbio
I've forwarded any of the ports I've seen on the client, didn't help either.
Sebastian_
you might want to try one of our alpha versions
Neosymbio
*All
Alright, I'll try that
Sebastian_
no, port forwarding has nothing to do with client performance.
the alphas have some improved performance characteristics
Neosymbio
I see
0.2.2.7-alpha (sig) Correct?
Sebastian_
I'm not saying you'll see a huge increase in performance, but you might find it a little more bearable.
Neosymbio
I understand
Sebastian_
yup, that's the one. 0.2.2.9-alpha will be released shortly
Neosymbio
Alright, I'll give it a go.
Thanks for the input
Sebastian_
you're welcome. Good luc
k
Neosymbio
I'm not acquainted with using tor without vidalia, but with the Tor cmd window running, I should just be able to toggle torbutton to use it correctly, right?
Ahh, doesn't seem to work that way.
Disregard that, realized I could have downloaded the vidalia alpha
blognewb
good evening everyone
Neosymbio
Evening
blognewb
hey -> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7528/clipboard02kz.jpg
it worked for downloading vlc
that setting for my download program Orbit
standalone downloader
but it's not working when i download rtmp:// links :(
if i select http <get>, it does go through d/l rtmp files
but then i tried exiting vidalia and it did unfortunately kept on downloading when using get
is there any workaround?
use 8118?
Neosymbio
Hey Sebastian_, it IS faster now. ;D
blognewb
atagar: my download manager program was able to utilize tor proxy for some links but not for rtmp :(
atagar: can i use 8118? i have polipo
Sebastian_
Neosymbio: great
FeasibilityStudy
whats the difference in polipo and privoxy
Sebastian_
polipo is simply a caching web proxy
privoxy also scrubs ads, and does some content filtering
FeasibilityStudy
which is better
Sebastian_
Personally I think polipo is better suited for Tor use.
blognewb
for anonymitiy i think polipo
hey guys for 3rd party softwares that doesn't support socks5, what is the workaround?
Sebastian_
transparent proxying
blognewb
sorry i am a dumb ass, by transparent you mean not anonymous Sebastian_
Sebastian_
no
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_proxy#Transparent_and_non-transparent_proxy_server
blognewb
can i use the polipo proxy 8118 for HTTP get
Sebastian_
yeah
that should work
blognewb
i have these selections: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7528/clipboard02kz.jpg
it would work?!
http get or connect?
is connect more secure
Sebastian_
don't know the difference
blognewb
Sebastian_: using httpget 8118 will also yield anonymous connection?
Sebastian_
it should, yes
blognewb
Sebastian_: it doesn't use vidalia though right
Sebastian_
nothing uses Vidalia. Vidalia is only a Tor controller
blognewb
i tried opening polipo and a cmd prompt opened and said "DNS: couldn't open /etc/resolv.conf
is that normal?
Sebastian_
probably, I don't know how well it works on windows without configuration
FeasibilityStudy
so are there flaws with privoxy? I see now that the official Tor website says to use Polipo and only mentions privoxy as an alternative. In the past it only mentioned privoxy, so i wonder what changed.
Sebastian_
Privoxy is a lot slower than polipo
blognewb
i agree
i used privoxy for filtering
Sebastian_
that's not smart
https sites trivially break such filtering
FeasibilityStudy
I believe the Ubuntu Tor bundle still only comes with privoxy, so I guess I will wait until Polipo is pacjaged
blognewb
i meant filtering for text replacement
i couldn't use it on https tho
so you are right lol sorry
Sebastian_
FeasibilityStudy: the Tor package for debian/ubuntu pulls in privoxy or polipo as recommended
FeasibilityStudy
I think it only pulls in privoxy
Sebastian_
The one from deb.torproject.org?
FeasibilityStudy
Sebastian_: I am using some PPA
because Tor, for some reason, is not in the official repos
Is privoxy and torbutton with Firefox still pretty safe from leakage?
Sebastian_
some ppa?
and Tor was removed from the official repos because they were removed by request of the Tor project
Because Ubuntu didn't want to ship security updates
FeasibilityStudy
why would ubuntu refuse that?
Sebastian_
I don't know. Because they're fu*king retarded, maybe.
FeasibilityStudy
I mean they ship security updates for everything else
Sebastian_
no
they don't promise security support for anything in their universe repositories
FeasibilityStudy
I see
waltman
wow, they don't?
Sebastian_
#nottor from here
FeasibilityStudy
thats news to me
helix
FeasibilityStudy: we have debian/ubuntu repos for tor and vidalia
official tor ones
I hope to add polipo soon
FeasibilityStudy
deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org karmic main
Sebastian_
For the record, the ubuntu bug report is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/tor/+bug/328442
FeasibilityStudy
thats the "ppa" I am using
helix
oh, that's our official repo... ppa is some ubuntu-specific language, thus the confusion
FeasibilityStudy
so I guess I am using the official package
helix
yep
FeasibilityStudy
PPA is just launchpad's way of letting individuals set up their own repos
lots of people do that for stuff Ubuntu doesnt carry
and I typically add these PPA's, whether they are on launchpad or not, to my sources.list so i dont have to worry with manually updating
helix
okay
FeasibilityStudy: well if you ever have any problems with the tor repo please let me know
blognewb
it's so weird any random HTTPGet proxy host and port i inject to the download manager program, it still downloads the rtmp link. why is this so? do rtmp's default to direct connection?
hi?
hey guys do i need to use TorSocks to d/l RTMP:// files?
my download mgr program "Orbit downloader" has socks5 support, it does work on other files but RTMP:// links
:)
lol
theDarkAura
lol
ouch!
blognewb
http stuff?
it works on other links tho
i just dont get why my rtmp:// links download through, even when i entered a random proxy host and port on httpget setting
so it seems that its not using tor
theDarkAura
have you seen this yet? http://prxbx.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=1485
these guys are talking about using a software firewall to prevent the direct connect
blognewb
is flashget better than orbit
theDarkAura: oh let me please read that first
wow so theDarkAura which firewalls then?!?! :o
theDarkAura
? idk :)
try the ones they used ;)
blognewb
theDarkAura: says you can't block 80 and 443 anyway since theyre https
http ports*
theDarkAura
with a software firewall running on your PC you can easily say one program can while others can't
Legion
Hey
I'm looking to get a .onion-based email
Pretty inactive for having this many goddamn people
gouki
Legion, I don't believe there is a hidden service that provides email.
Legion
There use to be tormail
And shells.onion provided it as well
But I can't reach either these days.
gouki
Yeah, got it. Well, I don't know of any, but stick around and maybe someone else will be able to help you out.
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