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nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21602 (/website/trunk/en): minor edits.
dr|z3d
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-warns-of-tslssl-flaw-in-windows.ars
kuulkat
is there a non java instant messaging website that one can use?
bja
kuulkat: I've been using mibbit with tor, but i really don't know if it works with instant messanging
kuulkat
mibbit uses java
bja do you use mibbit with tor?
bja do you use mibbit with torbutton?
dr|z3d
Mibbit doesn't use java, it uses Ajax.
bja
Yes, if you can stand the awfull 30 sec lag it usually carries
dr|z3d: ajax ~ Asincronous java ....
kuulkat
ok
ill try that
dr|z3d
bja: Erm, no. Asynchronous java_script_
         

kuulkat
dr|z3d: does it reveal your ip?
dr|z3d
kuulkat: Not if you're doing it right, no.
misc
bja: javascript is not java
kuulkat
dr|z3d: how do you do it "wrong"?
dr|z3d
kuulkat: Firstly, ensure you're connecting over Tor.. https://check.torproject.org
kuulkat
is that all?
bja
misc: Asynchronous JavaScript And XML
dr|z3d
That's about the size of it, yes.
If you're using Torbutton correctly configured, you should be fine, kuulkat.
bja
kuulkat: if you are using torbutton it works perfectly, i am right now checking some extra details
kuulkat
only twitter for IM it looks like
bja
kuulkat: the address you get is the exit node address
beware, they usually ban tor exit nodes
kuulkat
bja: it only works for twitter
bja
Thats all i have, I guess that if you have to sign in to a nonsecure site, that would give your identity away :(
SnowPlow
how can I make use the exit node I want?
make tor
formalist
several different ways.
SnowPlow
via the protocol
formalist
(1) torrc option MapAddress, (2) torrc option ControlPort [and then some]
MapAddress <destination> <destination>.<exitnick>.exit
there's a file in the source code tarball about how to use control port to build circuits manually.
i prefer to mess with torrc.
scar
snowplow: you can also append <exit node>.exit to your hostname
for example, www.google.com.blutmagie.exit
BarkerJr
scar, that has been removed from newer tor versions
or will be, soon
Sebastian
it hasn't been entirely removed
only disabled by default
         

scar
oh.. sorry. i admit that i don't keep up anymore
why is it being phased out?
BarkerJr
web sites can use it to force users to use a specific exit, which is bad
scar
hmmm those nasty web sites
atagar
waltman: arm questions are best directed to me (preferably email if I don't respond promptly here) - the difference between inbound and outbound connections are pretty self explanitory, control connections are any active tor controllers (ex, vidalia, arm, other scripts using TorCtl, etc)
as for the client connections, everyone spawns some of those for a time (then eventually die off if unused) - they aren't used to fetch descriptors (those are listed as 'DIRECTORY' connections)
waltman
everyone?
atagar
when you start tor it creates some client circuits on the off chance you use it as a client
then tears those down after a while if unused
waltman
most of these started after I hit my bandwidth limit for the day
and there's 19 of them now, which seems like a lot.
sorry, 22 now.
atagar
if you aren't using tor as a client then yea, that does seem high
waltman
a few are 9 hours old
Sebastian
they might be part of mikeperry's bandwidth testing stuff
not sure, though
atagar
I thought all his stuff was authority side - is that wrong?
Sebastian
no
waltman
atagar: Oh, and I fixed a bug in arm. It's not calculating the time zone offset correctly in the "Time to reset" display.
Sebastian
his code makes clients build test circuits
like, many of them
waltman
atagar: can I send you a patch?
atagar
Sebastian: ah, gotcha
waltman: Sure! That would be appreciated
waltman
atagar: I sent the patch. I've also been having a problem with the screen display geting corrupted. I just downloaded the svn version and I'll see if it's still happening there.
Yep, still happening. All sorts of crap like "192.168.10.100:32769 --> 64.94.184.234:143 (us) 57632B6C95/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7712b55]"
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21603 (/website/trunk/en): fix the link to JTor, add a link to orbot.
atagar
waltman: when you hit 'c' it'll give you the circuit information torctl provides - if it's listing full circuits rather than single hops it probably aren't the bandwidth tests sebastian mentioned
waltman
Everything looks like a single hop afaict.
atagar
guess sebastian's right then - check with mike if you'd like to know more about those connections
waltman
As long as I know it's not something malicious I don't care.
atagar
btw, thanks for the patch! Looks good - next release will probably be in a few weeks.
waltman
yay!
atagar
waltman: hmmm... screen corruption - care to explian more?
waltman
I'll see if I can get a screenshot
atagar
excellent - do you also have steps to reproduce?
waltman
It just needs to run for a few minutes.
I was thinking it was because it was in screen, but it's happening in a plain xterm too.
atagar
Is it a problem with a particular page? Any distinctive features that might help track down the problematic code path?
waltman
I've seen it on pages 1 and 2. Going to page 3 seems to clear it.
atagar
that's interesting - screenshot would definitely be helpful
waltman
atagar: ok, sent
atagar
heh - pretty
obviously not a python stack trace and I'm pretty sure all system commands have stderr directed to /dev/null (double checking this now) so I'm guessing it's a problem with your environment
waltman
Coult be, but I've never seen any other problems with curses apps.
at least not that I know of...do mutt and irssi use curses?
atagar
Could it be a python interpreter issue? The funkyness of the display really isn't an issue - the problem is that something's trying to write to stdout while arm is running (and curses handles this in a less-than-graceful way, as you can see)
waltman
sometimes I'm seeing "*** glibc detected *** ps: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0835a9d8 ***", and I think the rest is a backtrace of that.
atagar
yup, looks like (hence why I was suspecting the python interpretor)
waltman
I seem to be running python 2.5.5
installed from debian
I don't use much python, so it's possible something's misconfigured
atagar
could be the system calls arm makes - I'm spotting that grep and lsof aren't redirecting stderr
I'll fix those in the next release, would you care to check if that's the issue?
waltman
hmm, maybe I'm getting bitten by this -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565397
sure
Sebastian
Is there anyone here who knows how to build Tor on windows?
atagar
waltman: looks likely - if so, shame on them for sending it to stdout rather than stderr
waltman
Looks like they've fixed it. It's just a matter of waiting for it to work through from unstable to testing.
atagar
looks like you just need to update procps
waltman
right
z3r0
i have a question about vidalia and tor
torifythenet
hi
what happened yesterday?
oftc refused all my tor connections
Sebastian
abusers
z3r0: asking it is a good idea
z3r0
ok
how do i exclude my LAN address range from being affected by TOR
Sebastian
In your browser? Or for some other application?
z3r0
well
i'm on a large college lan
class B network
and i don't want any traffic to network X.X.0.0 to go through TOR
for all applications
Sebastian
I'm afraid all traffic that reaches Tor's socks proxy goes through Tor.
z3r0
so if i'm running it as a bridge
it doesn't actually affect any of the traffic on the local machine?
Sebastian
not if you don't configure it as a socks proxy for your applications
z3r0
ohh
very sweet
another problem
under sharing tab in configuration
i am in help censored users reach the tor network
but when i make a custom bandwidth limit, it doesn't stay
Sebastian
hrm
that's a Vidalia bugreport
please try #vidalia
z3r0
is there a way to schedule tor?
Sebastian
schedule it how?
z3r0
like shut it off in the day
Sebastian
I'm afraid I'm unaware of a script to do that on windows
z3r0
i'm on linux
Sebastian
ah
neat
well, just write a cronjob to start and stop Vidalia, since that appears to be how you're controlling your Tor :)
z3r0
does tor stop when vidalia exits?
Sebastian
yes
It should
as long as you exit vidalia cleanly.
but you should check that
maybe I'm wrong
I don't use Vidalia
if you want to schedule stuff, maybe you don't need Vidalia at all.
z3r0
i just started doing this 30 minutes ago
so long as the settings still exist the same way they are configured now, i definately don't need vidalia
Sebastian
Vidalia should create a torrc file somewhere. You should inspect that file, if you like it, move it somewhere sane, and then just use tor.
z3r0
can you configure tor on the fly with the daemon only, or is it a huge pain in the ass to learn all the syntax?
Sebastian
I think it's very easy.
the torrc file is well documented, and you don't need to set many options.
otiuk
how can i make sure that i am the only one using the tor that is installed on my system?
arma
well, the socksport only listens on localhost
so only local applications can reach it
do other people run local applications on your system?
otiuk
not currently
i just wanted to make sure that no one could access it by going to like serverip:9050
arma
not by default.
otiuk
so the .sample is ok to just make torrc and i should be ok?
and if i want to run it as a background process i just uncomment RunAsDaemon or add the --runasdaemon flag?
arma
yes. linux i assume?
otiuk
ya
arma
debian? ubuntu? redhat?
otiuk
rhel
arma
use the rpm from our download page?
otiuk
no tarball
arma
you might be happier with the rpm
otiuk
why's that?
arma
if you're just using tor as a client, you don't need a torrc at all. the defaults are fine.
the rpm has an init script, for example
otiuk
ya i see it starts up just fine w/ the defaults was just hoping to keep it running in the background so i don't have to restart it all the time
z3r0
i added the tor repo to opensuse, and it was a breeze to install, and the paths were set and everything
nsa
or: n8fr8 committed revision 21604 (/projects/android/trunk/Orbot/src/org/torproject/android): added transparent proxying of port 443 via Tor TransPort and modifed browse check to https://check.torproject.org
torifythenet
how do you test a non web browser if tor is working?
nsa
or: n8fr8 committed revision 21605 (/projects/android/trunk/Orbot/res): minor UI tweaks - removed title bar, changed icon, edited prefs text
or: n8fr8 committed revision 21606 (/projects/android/trunk/Orbot): updated application manifest
Sebastian
hey, anyone with Windows Vista or Windows 7 who can try a new Tor version?
BarkerJr: maybe you, since you reported that bug with "very recent version of windows"? :)
MJCS
I have win 7
send me a link
Sebastian
uploading currently
MJCS
client or server?
Sebastian
http://sebastianhahn.net/tor/tor.exe there
don't need to configure anything
MJCS
1 sec
Sebastian
when you start it, it will output a "warn" message
saying "OS: " and then hopefully Windows 7
MJCS
yeaeh
Sebastian
meaning it does that?
MJCS
Feb 09 23:35:23.955 [notice] Tor v0.2.2.8-alpha-dev (git-8c01f629c73a7c42). This
is experimental software. Do not rely on it for strong anonymity. (Running on W
indows 7 [workstation])
Sebastian
awesome!
now I only need a vista tester :)
MJCS
i have vista as well
1 sec
installing 7 on there this weekend
:)
Sebastian
hah
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