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nsa
or: nickm@seul.org (Nick Mathewson) committed patch by Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> at Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:23:43 -0500 (EST) to tor/master: Authorities now support conditional consensuses
or: nickm@seul.org (Nick Mathewson) committed patch by Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> at Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:23:43 -0500 (EST) to tor/master: Remove online config descriptions.
or: nickm@seul.org (Nick Mathewson) committed patch by Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> at Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:23:43 -0500 (EST) to tor/master: Remove some old, commented out code
or: nickm@seul.org (Nick Mathewson) committed patch by Sebastian Hahn <sebastian@torproject.org> at Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:23:43 -0500 (EST) to tor/master: Fix a typo
avar
I see this in my tor log: Dec 28 20:55:56.293 [notice] Bandwidth soft limit reached; commencing hibernation.
But why does sudo lsof -i TCP -i UDP|grep -c ^tor tell me tor still has 44 active connections?
The number of connections is going down: http://noc.nix.is/nix.is/v.nix.is/index.html#tor , just wondering why it's taking so long
shahn
avar: going to "soft hibernation" means that Tor stops accepting new connections, but doesn't actively close existing connections.
Once you've reached the limit you've specified, Tor will close those, too.
that way, Tor won't go over its quota, but it won't break all connections at once.
xtoaster
threshold activated/applied/mode might be more self-evident
no-name
i have torchat installed and it is an older version. how do i delete the older version so i can install a new one
xtoaster
you can give i2p messanger a look too :)
http://echelon.i2p.to/qti2pmessenger/
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21345 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): update the path to torbutton, since mozilla takes forever to notice new
or: versions.
Goldstein
how is it that leechers dont help increase anonymity in the tor network?
xtoaster
tor is not i2p. its for anonimity :)
some clinents dont want to expose their ip
         

Goldstein
huh?
phobos
imagine a pool of water on the savannah
Goldstein
leechers = people not routing
phobos
an elephant and a mouse come to drink from it
Goldstein
relaying, excuse me
xtoaster
i know. you mean routing :)
phobos
you want more routers in the network
Goldstein
i know more relays in the network is good
phobos
leechers just consume bandwidth
with no benefit to anyone
..other than themselves
Goldstein
that doesnt make sense
adding traffic = more anonymity
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21346 (/torbrowser/trunk): Force a path to the latest torbutton to make it clear, update the readme
or: to be more clear.
xtoaster
unless running tor itself is troublesome :)
phobos
there would still be plenty of traffic
Goldstein
that doesnt change the fact that more traffic = more anonymity
phobos
ok fine, i question that fact
that's a fine hypothesis
the subtext is "how much traffic does one need for how much anonymity?"
Goldstein
i cant understand how tons of leechers would not constitute a major improvement in anonymity
i'm not even trying to be a jerk here. I just need it explained
but it seems to me that u hate leechers for slowwing down the network and thus you have an incentive to not giv them credit for anything
phobos
because right now tor treats all streams as equal
so leechers squeeze out less demanding traffic streams
we're working to change that so that the more traffic you try to push over some period of time, the less packets a relay handles for you
Goldstein
i have noticed that it feels like u get higher priority if u demand more
phobos
most people doing bulk transit won't care if their linux iso takes an extra hour or two
most people trying to browse a page, carry on a chat, etc will care a lot
Goldstein
would that have negative anonymity consequences?
         

phobos
not if we build it correctly
Goldstein
will that make irc/im traffic better?
faster/ less latency?
will that also include discrimination against leechers?
if tor doesnt know where the traffic is coming from, how will it be able to limit?
hey come back!
stealth-
Is it considered safe to have a linux host not using TOR, but then have a VM using TOR? Or would the host cause the anonimity to be broken?
*Tor
Meliboeus
I don't see your point.
merlijn
stealth-: the anonimity would not be broken, unless you don't trust the host machine
stealth-
No, the host is safe. My friend just thought that the host's ARP traffic would mess things up and the remote host would be able to track the traffic
Thanks :)
fabi
arma: out there?
SwissTorExit
hi fabi and hello to everyone
nickm: hello, yesterday i have try to use the new Git link for libevent but look like there a problem, it's say that the host closed unexpexctelly
by chance i have saved the svn link ;)
Sebastian
SwissTorExit: maybe give the link, and where you found it?
SwissTorExit
Hi Sebastian :P here are the site with the new git link
it redirect to: http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=git&group_id=50884
i have tested on different computer but all do same error
thanks to look seb :P
Sebastian
ah yes
I've reported that error to nickm already
but I don't know if he can fix it
SwissTorExit
ok, great, thanks to have take time my friend :P
Sebastian
the correct address to use is git://levent.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/levent
(Action) files a sf bug
SwissTorExit
oh ok, i will copy it, it is a difference btw the git and svn ?
or it is all the same version ?
Sebastian
I think svn is outdated
SwissTorExit
ok, that's what i have figured too , now i can install the new one :P
Sebastian: i have try but still same error with your address
Sebastian
SwissTorExit: what command did you run?
erm
I was wrong
git://levent.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/levent/libevent
try that
SwissTorExit
git clone and your link
ok, i will test on my VM this time
ah this one are the right Sebastian :P
thanks very much, i will do on my system now :P
it's incredible, sometimes Tor go so quick now that the page load in 1 sec , great, keep the good work Tor team :D
kaner
thanks, SwissTorExit :)
SwissTorExit
you are welcome :D
phobos
at least someone else has noticed tor is getting quicker
http://metrics.torproject.org has all sorts of graphs showing the download times are getting lower
SwissTorExit
hi phobos, well i have see that a few time it was more slow but now seem better but i some old version to try to use the more recent version of relay
oh privoxy block the metrics page phobos
well i can accept but i dunno why the page are blocked by default
yeah graph don't look positive lol
http://www.speedtest.net/result/666019265.png look not too bad
marlowe
phobos: I definitely noticed how much quicker it has become. Of course, it definitely helps now that I can run some nodes with some bandwidth
xtoaster
hi here too. it used to run alot faster days ago :-)
Tykling-9167
hello there, I am running an exit node and it seems like the traffic dropped a lot today, to like 10% of what it normally is
and I dont really understand why :>
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21347 (/website/trunk/en): add the 0.2.1.21 release announcement, move old news to the news page,
or: replace hr with our fancy div
or: pootle committed revision 21348 (/translation/trunk/projects/torbutton/fr): minor french torbutton update
or: pootle committed revision 21349 (/translation/trunk/projects/torbutton/pl): new polish torbutton strings
no-name
i presently have an older version of torchat installed. 9.9.64 vs 9.9.287.. how do i delete the old install to install the new version?
phobos
no idea
have you tried extracting over the current version?
no-name
yes
what aobut doinf a sudo rm -d torchat
then reinstalling
phobos
there is no -d
if you rm -r ./torchat you'll use your identity keys and such
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 21350 (/projects/gettor/i18n/nb): norsk gettor
or: pootle committed revision 21351 (/projects/gettor/i18n/ar): arabic gettor changes. hope they're good. :)
or: pootle committed revision 21352 (/projects/gettor/i18n/tr): start a turkish gettor translation
or: phobos committed revision 21353 (/website/trunk/en): add the latest times piece
or: pootle committed revision 21354 (/translation/trunk/projects/website/nl): Commit from The Tor Translation Portal by user Infinity. 14 of 14 messages translated (0 fuzzy).
or: pootle committed revision 21355 (/translation/trunk/projects/website): commit files in pootle
Malkovich
ping casa
casa
yep
mit wem habe ich die ehre?
babadadada
what are the complications and problems of using a torrified firefox browser and a regular firefox browser at the same time?
phobos
it depends, are they the same binary?
Imrahil
hi
babadadada
same binary?
what does that mean?
phobos
in generaly, running 2 firefoxes means they share plugins, profiles, and they can share pages
babadadada
no
these are different profiles
phobos
if you run your installed firefox and the firefox from tor browser bundle, they dont share anything
babadadada
phobos: this isnt the bundle they carry on torproject.org
this is on linux
Imrahil
I'm using signal newnym to get a new route, how can I make sure that routes aren't reused, is MaxCircuitDirtiness the option I'm looking for? Or am I wrong on that point?
babadadada
phobos:
do you read me?
phobos
did you start the other firefox with -p <profile name>
babadadada
phobos: no I started it with firefox -P -no-remote then chose the profile
PHOBOS!
phobos
babadadada!
babadadada
what do you thing?
k
phobos
personaly, i use 2 diffrent browsers
but i think that's what tbb does
babadadada
tbb?
phobos
other than tbb calls a completely different binary
torbrowser bundle
babadadada
<babadadada> phobos: this isnt the bundle they carry on torproject.org
phobos
right
step back
we spent a lot of time researching torbrowser and how to stop firefox from sharing code, rendering, memory, etc with 2 instances of firefox
firefox is nearly the same on every OS
so what works for torbrowser bundle on windows should work on linux, freebsd, osx and inferno
babadadada
how are we using what works on windows, on linux?
phobos:
^
phobos
the configurations, the changes
babadadada
what are you trying to tell me to do?
phobos
firefox is nearly the same on every OS
babadadada
^
phobos
i'm suggesting that -p -no-remote may be ok for a start
but to look through the torbrowser svn repo and see what else is changed
or, just use a different browser so that nothing can conflict/overlap
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