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nsa
or: arma@seul.org committed patch by Roger Dingledine <arma@torproject.org> at Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:21:31 -0500 (EST) to tor/master: New controller command "getinfo config-text"
arma
xtoaster: good morning
xtoaster
morning, arma
arma
how are you at translations?
i ask because we've made gettor work in chinese, so it can send you the chinese tor browser bundle,
but we haven't translated the explanation email text yet
so there are a lot of confused users
xtoaster
oh , ok
arma
(we send out dozens of chinese tbb's per day)
xtoaster
so where should i start
is it in pootle?
arma
it is.
do you have a pootle account?
https://translation.torproject.org/zh_CN/gettor/
if i were doing it, i would click on "show editing functions", then "po file", download it, and edit it in my favorite text editor
because the strings are quite long, so doing it in pootle might be clumsy
on the other hand, there are only 6 strings, so maybe pootle isn't so bad
xtoaster
ok
         

spikedeggnog
where is torbutton author's contact?
dr|z3d
spikedeggnog: google for fscked.org
That's the author's own domain.
spikedeggnog
dr|z3d: thanks
dr|z3d
spikedeggnog: If you want to file bugs, https://bugs.torproject.org handles torbutton.
keb
and torbutton issues can be raised here or in the or-talk list
spikedeggnog
thanks a lot
keb: thanks
xtoaster
arma: can i translate these bundle names like : tor-browser-bundle
arma
no. they have to be in english currently.
xtoaster
ok i think not
keb
is there a single character for Tor
arma
i've given kaner a todo item to allow translated requests. for example, gettor+zh@torproject.org. i bet some people would like to write 'zh' in their own charset.
xtoaster
ah that is ok
can i insert a line of descriptive text following each of these names?
arma
sure, as long as you don't think it'll confuse your user.
s
maybe we should even do that on the english too
xtoaster
I will make sure it looks more clear:-)
arma
great :)
keb: most languages leave Tor untranslated
xtoaster
oh? you want to have tor it self translated ?
keb
no
i was curious if it was possible
spikedeggnog
the tor homepage should have an onion decoration hanging on a tree or summpin for the holidays!
arma
xtoaster: i think most people there know of it as tor already. so no need to translate it. (what would you translate it to, anyway? :)
xtoaster
i think many people still dont know the "bootstrip" notices. except the progress 10%=>100% :)
so they need vidalia
         

arma
right. i think nearly everybody uses tor browser bundle
we recommended tor-browser-bundle rather than tor-im-browser-bundle because yahoo.cn won't accept tor-im-browser-bundle, it's too big
xtoaster
and we dont have a configuration file with localized comments. that cound be another reason freak people away from tor.exe
oh?
arma
"tor-browser-bundle" includes vidalia and firefox (and polipo and torbutton and tor)
xtoaster
have tried geting rid of all the language file in im bundle?
arma
pidgin is like 9MB
xtoaster
bah why pidgin is as fat as a little pig
my miranda is much slimer than it :)
keb
could send 2 emails, install step 1 and step 2, if they select tor-im-browser-bundle
ubuntu us moving away from pidgin toward empathy messenger
*is
which might not be cross platform
(Action) ducks offtopic
xtoaster
um. what do we use pidgin for ?
i began to wonder
keb
instant messages
and irc
arma
xtoaster: if you want the tor im browser bundle, then it comes with various IM systems, plus OTR, configured to use your tor.
i have no idea if qq and otr get along, though. so it may be moot in china.
xtoaster
yep. qq(pidgin)+tor is acutally a false sense of security
i see blog entry from gfw blog.
say that qq log down people's chat session
arma
well, they could use jabber or something. or even aim.
xtoaster
hehe but qq is popular and dominant.
many of my friends use qq. when i recommend msn to them
keb
lol i wouldnt trust microsoft
xtoaster
they say oh there is no buddy on my msn list, only you. that's fo no fun.
qq can voice chat support video transfter files fast why not qq ... blah blah
:-) you see its hard to persuade them to emigrate .
arma
indeed.
Sebastian_
xtoaster: if you're trying to get them to use something different, maybe you want to promote jabber instead of msn.
especially when using Tor
xtoaster
the problem they dont want anything without buddys, qqshow, qqbadgers, qqpet.... and let me tell you I even wonder if qq have mentally disabled them, when talking about IM
keb
hehe
arma
:)
jianzhen3
I try not to use qq again
infact I have already abandoned qq for a long time
and I find qq is not so important as you thought
xtoaster
that's a good thing. a great reason for your friends to use other im as well :)
jianzhen3
but I've heard MSN is not save too,It can record what you said
safe
xtoaster
try i2p-qtmessenger, this is a server less im :)
or torchat , also a serverless im. unmaintained though. :(
keb
how can the buddy lists work without a server
Sebastian_
maybe we should all join #nottor
xtoaster
arma: what next , after i translatedt the po file
Sebastian_
xtoaster: there should be a "commit" button
xtoaster
um. i mean i download the po file :)
arma
there's an 'upload po' box
xtoaster
ok
should i rename the file to _cn or sth?
arma
shouldn't matter
xtoaster
ok
arma
as long as you upload it in the zh_CN section
actually, it might matter. and if does, you'll want to leave it named gettor.po. otherwise pootle may not know what you're uploading.
xtoaster
oh. i didnt change it ;)
arma
great
helix
h
ewin
xtoaster
I think it works.time to commit ;)
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 21196 (/projects/gettor/i18n/zh_CN): Commit from The Tor Translation Portal by user xtoaster. 6 of 6 messages translated (0 fuzzy).
arma
http://archives.seul.org/or/cvs/Dec-2009/msg00189.html
looks promising
jianzhen3
I'm using ubuntu os, when I started tor, I can see nothing change on the screen,is that means tor is running in background?
arma
jianzhen3: right. tor is a proxy. it runs in the background. the next step is to configure your applications to use it.
https://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix
xtoaster
weird. looks like there is a mailing list svn bot too :)
jianzhen3
sometimes I don't know if tor is running, how can check it?
phobos
ps aux | grep tor
or teh system monitor
in the process tab look for tor
arma
xtoaster: have we sent you a tshirt yet? :)
xtoaster
not yet
phobos
would you like one or ten?
;)
keb
i didnt know pootle made tshirts
phobos
they are white and fuzzy
arma
and remarkably smart, for a dog?
phobos
with a tor logo shaved into them
xtoaster
thanks i havnt got a pet yet ;)
arma
...would you like one or ten?
i was thinking one, but if you've got a use for 9 more, sounds like phobos is willing :)
keb
hopefully wearing one isnt an invitation to a death sentence
xtoaster
keb, they wont arrest you for wearing a shirt with green onion stamp on it, as long as you dont wear one with the wheel.
keb
whats wrong with a wheel
xtoaster
oh. i thought you know. you know i mean the wheel ;)
jianzhen3
when I type 'ps aux | grep tor' in the terminal, it showed a long list ,what does that mean?
xtoaster
i think that means you starteed a lot of tor xp
jianzhen3
tor xp? do you means proxy?
xtoaster
sorry i mean tor
arma
jianzhen3: it probably means your ubuntu is running many processes with the string 'tor' in their name. only one of them is the actual tor. unless zero of them are.
try running 'pidof tor'
xtoaster
arma is the shirt free :)?
arma
xtoaster: you've already paid for it with your translation
gouki: speaking of, that goes for you too :)
xtoaster
uh, then i would like 1.
arma
ok. if you send a postal address to donations@torproject.org, i'll add you to the queue
plus a size and a color
jianzhen3
when I type 'pidof tor' in, it give me a number:3824
arma
https://www.torproject.org/tshirt.html
jianzhen3: great. your tor is running.
xtoaster
arma: ok. thanks
jianzhen3
then how can i stop the tor
arma
jianzhen3: /etc/init.d/tor stop
you mean need to say 'sudo' before that, if you're on ubuntu and not root
s/mean/may/
jianzhen3
I have try that command already, but when I type 'pidof tor' in, it still give me the number 3824
arma
what did it say when you tried the 'stop' command?
jianzhen3
Stopping tor daemon: not running (there is no /var/run/tor/tor.pid).
arma
hm. how did you start it?
(and why are you wanting to stop it, anyway? what are you trying to do?)
jianzhen3
start the tor? when I run the programm tork,the tor will be startted
arma
uh oh. you're going to need to be much more comfortable with your OS before trying to use tork.
i would suggest that you just use tor, firefox, polipo or privoxy, and torbutton, and be done with it
https://oignon.net/docs/tor-doc-unix
jianzhen3
do not use tork?
arma
not many people use tork. vidalia is not easy to set up on ubuntu either, alas.
i think most ubuntu users just use tor as a service in the background, and don't use any gui to control it
phobos
vidalia is not yet easy
hopefullly, soon it will be
jianzhen3
yes, I use vidalia too,and the union can change it color to green,but it seems don't work
arma
are you using torbutton and firefox?
jianzhen3
I use fire fox,and set it well
arma
are you using polipo or privoxy?
jianzhen3
privoxy
arma
did you edit /etc/privoxy/config ?
jianzhen3
I don't know how to edit it
but someone tell me to delete one "#" in the file
and I deleted that character ,is that enough?
arma
probably.
forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 .
this one?
jianzhen3
yes,yes
arma
did you restart privoxy since then? /etc/init.d/privoxy restart
i would also suggest /etc/init.d/tor restart
since earlier you said your tor wasn't running
jianzhen3
also use sodu?
arma
yep. sudo
phobos
(Action) welcomes arma to my 3h hong kong experience
jianzhen3
need I restart the firefox?
arma
no. but, why are you not using torbutton?
jianzhen3
torbutton? what's that? do you mean vidalia or tork?
arma
no, i mean a firefox extension called torbutton
can you reach https://oignon.net/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.zh-cn ?
jianzhen3
I'm using autoproxy
phobos
does autoproxy point at tor for the blocked list?
jianzhen3
It's a firefox extension too
yes ,it works well when I use windows os
phobos
i haven't looked at autoproxy in a bit
last i saw, it just switched proxy configurations for sites on the list of blocked sites
arma
yep. might work.
phobos
but you still had to configure the proxy config correctly
arma
jianzhen3: which version of tor did you use on windows? which version of tor do you have now on ubuntu?
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