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Sebastian_
vasco: Tor will never allow you to use your maximum connection speed, there are about 1600 relays for hundreds of thousands of users
vasco
Sebastian_: I mean the speed in the tor network network map. That should be the speed to the relay i'm running! I assume the speed i see there is the maximum speed the network would send through my relay. This means that traffic through my relay will use maximal 240KBps instead of 1000KBps. If that is the case everywere a speedup of 400% should be possible!
arma
vasco: which relay are you?
vasco: the speed listed in the vidalia interface is actually not the weighting that clients use when choosing their paths. a year ago it was, but not now.
slide
Does the speed of TOR increase with the more users that use it?
or rather, have it setup
arma
no, it decreases.
it increases with the number of users who click the 'share' button and set up a relay.
slide
oh, hrm ok
dr|z3d
It's not a p2p system in that regard, slide.. most users don't actually do anything to contribute to network bandwidth.
slide
but setting up a tor relay would help?
arma
it would help, yes. please do. :)
         

slide
:D
dr|z3d
think of signal to noise ratio.. servers are signal, users are noise. more servers, better quality signal (until more users turn up because they heard the beats were good).
(Action) winks.
slide
tor only works with certain protocols? ie not all traffic can be routed through it?
oh i didnt hear any beat hehe
phobos
tor works with anything tcp
slide
k
dr|z3d
slide: you want multi-protocol, tcp/udp, you might want to also check I2P.
slide
k
arma
slide: also, if you file-share over tor, you'll load it down and ruin it for others
slide
arma, not intending to
is there a way to find out how many relays there are? or the theoretical maximum throughput? stuff like that
dr|z3d
slide: Vidalia's good, as are the online directories. https://torstatus.blutmagie.de for example.
phobos
or your own cached-descriptors file
slide
thanks
dang can't connect here with tor =\
hrm ok im trying to setup a relay on my ubuntu server, i followed this sites directions, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR
but i dont see anything about specifically setting up a relay except for the vidalia app but my server is headless
Another question, is it possible for me to be blamed for other people file sharing?
arma
maybe. see https://www.torproject.org/faq#ExitPolicies
keb
w00t. Torbutton 1.2.3 is available.
mib_euy2mp
Sorry for what is probably a dumb question: on a mac, do applications that phone home (SoftwareUpdateCheck, PubSubAgent, dotmacsyncclient, automountd, etc.) compromise my anonymity while running TorButton/Vidalia? Or are those processes separate from my Tor connection? I'm hoping the latter is the case.
keb
depends who you are trying to be anonymous from
apple will know where and when and who you are
mib_euy2mp
gotcha
keb
websites you visit with firefox will not
your isp will also know that you connected to apple and what you did
mib_euy2mp
and apple wouldn't know any details about the firefox session?
keb
right, unless you use firefox to login to apple.com site with the same userid as your unprotected traffic
but they wouldnt know what you did with firefox elsewhere on the internet
         

mib_euy2mp
the sync services worry me because they seem to use port 80, but unless i explicitly give those applications permission to use Tor's ports then they won't?
keb
i dont know how tor is setup on a mac. is it a system proxy?
then other apps might use it automatically
some
mib_euy2mp
ok, I'll dig deeper into that. thank you very much for your help.
keb
np
nsa
or: pootle committed revision 21140 (/translation/trunk/projects/website): russian website lang
MousePad
where can I read the changes for the new tor button my firefox just updated to
keb
~/.mozilla/firefox/czhd3v9o.default/extensions/{e0204bd5-9d31-402b-a99d-a6aa8ffebdca}
er, your profile name and the long number at the end might differ
im not sure why https://svn.torproject.org/svn/torbutton/trunk/src/ doesnt have current source code
MousePad
is there any good changes
i dont have profile name etc...
keb
if you have torbutton installed, those files should be there
are you on windows?
there are 13 bugfixes and 5 new features
MousePad
damn wish I cud read it
can u pastebin it?
keb
if you are using Windows XP your firefox profile is in C:\Documents & Settings\YourUserName\Application Data\Mozilla\
MousePad
im not using windows
keb
i'd rather you find where it is on your own computer, get control of your system ;)
MousePad
i'd rather the fu*king author have it in a easy to find place so I don't install random sh*t in my browser
that I had to completely remove
keb
did it stop working?
it could be in the right place on the draft website and the update hasnt been pushed yet. i dunno. the update just came out
MousePad
no but i start my firefox and it auto install tor button update
in tor button says polipo
i don't use polipo
phobos
it's just a name
MousePad
and I don't appreciate the auto update and the no indication of changes anywhere to be found
phobos
it could say rhinocerous
MousePad
no polipo is a specialized proxy
you guys seemd to randomly want to replace privoxy with
keb
it probably should say "http proxy"
phobos
it wasn't random, it was planned
MousePad
planned how? there was no sign you guys were changing out privoxy, and no reason to, and since privoxy is socks4a and polipo is socks5 thats a prob
either way ur attempt failed, I still have my privoxy
keb
because it just uses port 8118 on the localhost
phobos
we don't want to ship a proxy at all
but due to firefox bugs, we have to
keb
it will work with privoxy too
MousePad
you could integrate it in tor itself
not that difficult
phobos
i await your patches
MousePad
i'm a end user
you're a developer
phobos
tor is a socks proxy
that's all we really need
firefox socks layer has issues
polipo/privoxy work around those issues
MousePad
obviously not if you're content with using external http proxies
yes but you got a prob with those
hence tor needs to become more than a socks proxy
phobos
well, no
firefox needs to fix its bugs in the networking code
keb
no, firefox needs to fix its bugs
phobos
or we need to find a new web browser to ship by default
MousePad
why blame firefox
phobos
because they have the bugs
MousePad
they're more browsers out there
what bugs are you referring to
I can use tor as a socks proxy with firefox direcly fine
phobos
until you get a slow circuit and firefox gives up waiting and throws a network error
and then continue to throw a network error regardless of what tor's done
firefox's network code blocks when it talks socks
MousePad
im sure you can change that in firefox's indepth config settings
phobos
meaning, all other network traffic hangs and waits on one tab to get a response
you can't change it in firefox config
MousePad
as it should, sockets are blocking by default and most including tor use events to move forward
select
keb
if we could, torbutton would have done it
MousePad
well that's more reason to make tor a http proxy, support the https CONNECT method, and the standard http proxy stuff which is a simple packet relay, and parse out headers that matter
thats all privoxy and others do, just add a filter ontop
or you can submit a patch to firefox
since you love that so
phobos
others have submitted patches to firefox
we're tied to firefox because it's open source, and we've spent a lot of time analyzing the code
we're starting down the same path with chrome
others have started it with webkit and arora
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280661 is the socks timeout bug
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 21141 (/projects/todo): add the mozilla bug for a reminder
ikawe
to get tor / firefox working on *nix, do I need to install tor, torbutton, and something like privoxy? Or is torbutton redundant with privoxy?
MousePad
it appears
that guy fixed it
keb
ikawe all three are needed, see http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
MousePad
he patched firefox's socks code successfully
now they just need to release changes
Sebastian_
MousePad: sure. This might take a long time, unfortunately
ikawe
keb: Thanks, I just had my maiden Tor voyage.
keb
congrats
Sebastian_
MousePad: also note that it hasn't been extensively tested, maybe you want to help by voting for the bug and testing it on windows/os x
MousePad
dont use those os's
atari
re
MousePad
atari what is re
seen that a lot
atari
it's just a phrade, that you are back
phrase
MousePad
ok
keb
what do you say when you are away
MousePad
afk
nsa
or: [wiki] Cav Edwards updated TheOnionRouter/FireFoxTorPerf - http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/FireFoxTorPerf
MousePad
wtf are the changes to torbutton
I can't find em
and im tired of playing games
just tell me
Sebastian_
MousePad: erm what?
ilter_
Hello. I configured torrc file to be a relay. Then i look debug.log and it seems as a relay. But i can't find this message on debug.log;
"Self-testing indicates your ORPort is reachable from the outside. Excellent."
what can be the problem?
SwissTorExit
hi ilter_ are you using a gui like Torl or vidalia or only Tor ?
ilter_
No i don't want to use gui because i want to learn it well.
SwissTorExit
so, you need add in your torrc "Log notice stdout"
ilter_
i add this line;
Log debug file /var/log/tor/debug.log
is it enough?
SwissTorExit
yes if the file have the right permission to can write
ilter_
yes it has.
can be the reason is this log;
Dec 10 12:07:05.407 [info] resolve_my_address(): Address 'Kubuntu' resolves to private IP address '127.0.1.1'. Tor servers that use the default DirServers must have public IP addre
sses.
?
SwissTorExit
YEAH, the best are to not setup a ip, it do automaticly
ilter_
yes i did it already. but it still gives same log. My torrc file is;
## The IP address or full DNS name for your relay. Leave commented out
## and Tor will guess.
#Address noname.example.com
arma
ilter_: that's an "info" level log. there's nothing wrong with it. normal people don't run at log-level info.
ilter_: ah, hm. i see that the real problem is that your tor isn't finding itself reachable.
after 20 minutes or so, it will log a warning saying what ip and port it was testing
perhaps you didn't set up your port forwarding right? or perhaps you did, but your local OS has some sort of firewall in place?
ilter_
Hello arma. Thank you for your concern. I'm using kubuntu 9.10. Afaik there isn't active firewall on my OS. Also i can use Tor as a client. What can be the problem under this information?
Sebastian_
ilter_: port forwarding issues most likely. Tor works as a client almost anywhere
ilter_
There is testing log as below;
root@Kubuntu:/var/log/tor# more debug.log | grep testing
Dec 10 11:55:31.724 [info] consider_testing_reachability(): Testing reachability of my ORPort: 85.107.18.4:9001.
Dec 10 11:55:45.746 [info] circuit_testing_failed(): Our testing circuit (to see if your ORPort is reachable) has failed. I'll try again later.
Sebastian_
well, that confirms it
your port isn't forwarded or otherwise blocked
I cannot reach that ip:port combination from here
ilter_
but there are so another logs. If it doesnt work why another logs occur? For example;
Dec 10 14:14:56.933 [debug] run_connection_housekeeping(): Sending keepalive to (78.46.135.209:9001)
Dec 10 14:14:56.933 [debug] conn_write_callback(): socket 12 wants to write.
Dec 10 14:14:56.933 [debug] flush_chunk_tls(): flushed 512 bytes, 0 ready to flush, 0 remain.
Dec 10 14:14:56.933 [debug] connection_handle_write(): After TLS write of 512: 0 read, 586 written
Dec 10 14:14:57.936 [debug] global_write_bucket now 10485760.
Dec 10 14:15:01.448 [debug] conn_read_callback(): socket 12 wants to read.
Sebastian_
erm
please don't spam this channel with useless debug messages
those are normal messages when Tor is acting as a client
I have told you more than once what the problem is, and arma did the same
ilter_
Sorry but i don't want make spam messages. These aren't spam messages
Sebastian_
they are log messages, but they have no relevance
ilter_
These are completely about Tor. But anyway if you're disturbed no problem.
Yes thank you you told me the issue but i wonder why the other logs occur.. now you told these are normal messages when Tor is acti1ng as a client but i don't use Tor now on any application.
Sebastian_
Tor always acts as a client
it makes a new circuit, etc
even the test circuit that it launches will create log messages like these
a|3x
hi
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