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nsa
or: phobos committed revision 20953 (/website/trunk/en): clean up, add some projects, remove some projects from volunteer, wow
or: that's a lot of stuff to do
PStar
how can i verify that I'm connecting thru tor?
merlijn
PStar: for IRC you are connecting through tor, if you want to verify http you should point your browser to http://check.torproject.org/
PStar
anyone alive?
SwissTorExit
https://check.torproject.org/
PStar
thx
SwissTorExit
lol
PStar
is this server tor only?
merlijn
no
tor only servers always have an address ending with .onion
         

PStar
my $server (under mirc) says magnet.oftc.net. I was expecting it to say xyz.onion
I'm connecting with command: /server 37lnq2veifl4kar7.onion:6667
SwissTorExit
.onion are hidden service, OFTC are not so far i know
Sebastian
PStar: you are connecting via Tor
PStar: not everyone is, though.
PStar
under mirc, do you know if the variable $server, is set by the client or the server?
after I issue /connect, I get this:
[16:39] * Connecting to 37lnq2veifl4kar7.onion (6667)
-
[16:40] -magnet.oftc.net- *** Looking up your hostname...
-
[16:40] -magnet.oftc.net- *** Checking Ident
it seems to me that I'm connecting to the normal port of the server, vs the port internal to the tor network.
merlijn
the server you are using (magnet.oftc.net) is most likely addressable by both a hidden service and directly, afaik the ircd does not know the difference and advertises the general name
PStar
as in, I'm running to tor, then outside of tor and connecting to the server @ magnet.oftc.net instead of the onion address.
Sebastian
no
[23:42] <PStar> [16:40] -magnet.oftc.net- *** Looking up your hostname... <-- this is a server message
the server's name is magnet.oftc.net
You're connecting through Tor, you have the Tor cloak
PStar
what should my /whois list as an ip if i'm connecting from within tor?
ok thx all
can someone send me a file so I can see if dcc works?
SwissTorExit
nope , sorry
no dcc by me
PStar
tried and failed?
SwissTorExit
no, i don't have ;)
PStar
yeah, my setup here is rather convoluted. but i'm hoping dcc works.
mirc <- wine <- centos <- vmware <- osx <=> tor
merlijn
dcc should not work as it severly limits your anonymity
you cannot have listening ports on your tor exit node, so passing it through tor is impossible
PStar
doesn't dcc also run thru tor? and if so, how does it limit anonymity?
hmm
merlijn
dcc is direct connect, you client is likely to advertise either your ip or the tor nodes ip, doing it through tor will certainly fail
PStar
what if both parties are within tor?
can I advertise a .onion address?
merlijn
possibly, but you'd have to setup a hidden service and tune your client accordingly
PStar
i think the clients have to advertise an ip address? not sure though
merlijn
it's probably easier to just use http or something :)
PStar
yeah
i'm just exploring the limits of tor at the moment
         

Hammurabi
PStar tried to CTCP WHOIS you! scanyerlogferthis
dr|z3d
DCC doesn't work over Tor. Period.
nsa
or: sebastian committed revision 20954 (/website/trunk/en): Remove the link to User Contributed rpms, as they are severly outdated
keb
*severely
Sebastian
hush
tantuni
helo
Sebastian
hi, can we help you?
wbji
yes
tantuni
helo ist tor secure against -> Revealing Hidden Services by their Clock Skew?
phobos
if you're using current tor, yes because of guard nodes
i think
;)
tantuni
so you are not sure?
no
dr|z3d
phobos: I think sjmurdoc1 did a bit of jiggery pokery vis a vis clock skew and crystals and stuff.
(Action) winks.
Result: One not quite so hidden service.
JC_Yang
hi, there're some nodes being blocked that makes tor can't establish connection after fresh install. I'd like to share my caches with the others who got stuck. which files i should share? does any file in cache folder contain fingerprint which is my own identification i should not share to avoid confiction?
keb
JC_Yang if you are using some bridges that work, you could share those lines
JC_Yang
bridges have been blocked or offline too, i'm not sure. getting new bridges again and again is annoying. share the caches would be a better idea
SwissTorExit
hello to everyone
i have try build Tor browser bundle for linux but the library are outdated and can't found anymore stable version of Tor because 0.2.19 are no more avaible on the link used by the compile
i see what you mean arma when you say that need maintain ;)
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 20955 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): update versions for swisstorexit
SwissTorExit
oh thanks very much phobos :P and hello m8
arma have speak about and i have mean not bad to test it ;)
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 20956 (/torbrowser/trunk/build-scripts): update firefox lang packs, path to torbutton
phobos
5~/3
oops
SwissTorExit
:P
phobos
try that
i don't like how we grab the tarballs without verification
maybe we should make the user put all the tarballs somewhere and just use those
SwissTorExit
yep, i restart my VM and sure tha's will important to verify the source :/
yeah, that's will a good idea and after build with there directlly
phobos: i see that it download last openssl and tor 0.2.1.20, so i am not sute that it work, i build it and told you ..
phobos
progress...
SwissTorExit
yeah it compile now, lot of work with it lol
so far seem all good , library are right linked, that's a sure thing :)
phobos
cool
SwissTorExit
it's really great that was done for linuxm i have mean was abandonned and never site on the site ..
sure m8, that's a big plus :P
i build on karmic 9.10 65 bits, will see
64 bits*
murb
or 63 if you count from zero :)
SwissTorExit
you will in berlin next month? i will try to come in the event with the operator i have meet in my country
eheheh, hi murb ;)
but i have the 15.12 a very important rendez-vous with insurance about my heath, so hope will ok to come
murb
SwissTorExit: yep, have you got a ticket yet?
SwissTorExit
no, never mind that we need ticket, to say the true, i know this event by karsten and he ask me to come.. since i have meet GPF operator and will great to see everyone
need we reserve ticket murb ?
28.11 are a Tor-benfiz party in ZH, i need to go to while there create Swiss Privacy Foundation
will useful to open new exit by us without sue like me lol
phobos: i have 2 errors in the build, i pastebin
that's on qt x11 i think
pastebin.com/f665d4c7f
phobos: need i report in the tor bug about torbrowser ?
phobos
did they stop the build?
SwissTorExit
yes at end :/
i think are a bad value
look my pastebin
phobos
your pastebin is 404
or now, 403
SwissTorExit
sure not a big thing
phobos
ugh, it's because i'm coming from tor
Sebastian_
privmsg you the pastebin
SwissTorExit
phobos
why do pastebins hate freedom
SwissTorExit
i have not send with tor while are no more allowed :/
i will try another one if you want by debian
phobos
Sebastian_ sent it to me
i wonder if openssl 0.9.8k would work
SwissTorExit
i can try if you link to the k , no problem
thanks Sebastian_ to have send to phobos
phobos
edit the makefile
and replace l with k
SwissTorExit
i need accept copy paste in my VM
ok, great, i learn a bit like that :D
yeah, it down the version "k" , i told when finsih
phobos: the error still the same
and it have used openssl k this time
it seem a a problem due of 64 bits for what i see
any idea where i can post report about torbrowser phobos ?
phobos
bugs.torproject.org is fine
SwissTorExit
oh i see that is on the new "volonteer" update yet :P
ok, super phobos, be happy to can help a bit with that too.
i read what's new now :D
oh and you work on it eheheh
it is good for you if i mount 32 and 64 bits version or are no matter ?
because i can test on different VM, like i try build always my FreeBSD lol
nsa
or: phobos committed revision 20957 (/website/trunk/en): add christian to the mix
phobos
i've been doing everything in 32bit OSes
figuring most 64bit OSes can convert back to 32bits
perhaps that's wrong
>
http://futureoftheinternet.org/the-sentence-the-un-doesnt-want-you-to-see
can't talk about internet censorship at the UN IGF
StrangeCharm
talking about censorchip is a censored topic
also, phobos, wasn't the main reason that amd64 beat itanium that amd64 was backwards compatible while itanium wasn't? I think you'd be hard-ressed to find a modern 64-bit system that can't run 32-bit programs, and - more importantly - for which there isn't a working compiler for c
StrangeCharm_
phobos
I saw that too
feel free to respond
StrangeCharm_
phobos, i'm not a member of that forum. though i am concerned that someone's suggesting something other than the tbb, especially for pay, and so on
dr|z3d
Let me guess, XeroBank are somehow involved?
StrangeCharm_
i don't want to give anything away, but yes
phobos
and we stole the idea apparently
for tbb
what a thread
dr|z3d
Oh dear, oh dear. Mr Arrakis talking donkey doo again I imagine.. he's nothing if not tenacious.
StrangeCharm_
shall i put the black-ops team on standby?
phobos
my take has generally been to ignore him
while he's out there trolling us, we're making a better tor
one of these two activities improves the world
edeca
Seriously, that is actually someone trolling?
You've gotta have a _lot_ of time on your hands to do that
nickm
Now now, I'm sure this is a 100% normal business practice for Serious Technology People.
edeca
Not like he/she is wasting anybodies time except their own
nickm
Just like how Steve Jobs spends his time hanging out on forums and tells everybody with a Linux question to go buy a Mac instead.
Completely normal.
dr|z3d
(Action) smirks.
nickm
A very good use of one's time.
weasel
as if steve had anything else to do all day long :)
nickm
Okay, so Steve Jobs is an established guy. It's more like how once he came up with Java, Gosling spent all day hanging out on comp.programming.misc and telling people with C++ questions to use Java instead.
StrangeCharm_
that's a much more apt comparison
edeca
So what is your issue with that thread, the suggestion to use something other than TBB?
misc
well, it would be more accurate of Goling spent all day telling that c++ was inspired by java :)
StrangeCharm_
Tor currently doesn't like bulk transfer, or TCP-heavy transfers like bittorrent. What's holding it back? Would adding more nodes mitigate the problem? How about adding faster nodes, or speeding up current ones? Is a design change needed before Tor can handle this sort of traffic?
dr|z3d
StrangeCharm_: What's holding it back is essentially the ratio of clients to servers.
Sebastian_
StrangeCharm_: yes, it's a design challenge
just adding new servers won't help as much as one might intuitively think
dr|z3d
There are proposals afoot to conscript clients to play a greater role in the network.. that's one possible.
StrangeCharm_
Sebastian_, can you comment more deeply on why not?
Sebastian_
StrangeCharm_
dr|z3d, like having clients default to relaying?
Sebastian_
the linked pdf has a very good overview
if you have more questions, feel free to ask
dr|z3d
StrangeCharm_: Well, possibly. It's a bit nebulous at the moment, but that's a possible scenario.
Sebastian_
The current solution is not just having more relays, especially not more slow relays, because the overhead is getting larger, too. The effective network size (the amount of relays you're likely to choose out of all the available relays) has been reduced by some changes in 0.2.2.x
dr|z3d
And as Sebastian_ says, just throwing more servers at the problem won't much help, probably. Temporary boost in bandwidth until that's all saturated by new clients coming onstream to take advantage of it.
Sebastian_
and 0.2.1.20 does include them, or at least some of them, too.
StrangeCharm_
i have to run. i'll read the performance analysis again, then ask more questions.
Sebastian_
great
phobos
i'm begginning to think it's both, more relays and better protocol innards
if we added 1000 new relays, how much faster would tor get
also, if we upped the bandwidth cap from 10MBps to say 20, would that help
Sebastian_
I guess more slow Tor nodes oversaturate their home routers, and fall off, so it would be a net win.
And it is my understanding that the bandwidth cap is nonexistent currently
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