databases are the heartblood of a company

epicurus

I need advice... I think I want to become a dba specialist, right now my plan is to get oracle certified as linux admin and OCA, and maybe whatever the SQL Server entry cert is... then I want to get into ecommerce management
any comments/advice is appreciated.. .does this sound like a good idea

RJarett

"dba specialist"? eh

epicurus

yeah, meaning i don't want to wear ten different hats

RJarett

sounds like youll have absolutely no clue how to do your job even after all that

epicurus

how do you know?

RJarett

A real dba still needs to wear all the hats, since we have to be masters of the system it runs on, the storage, and the apps that run it

epicurus

i include that in dba

RJarett

epicurus: because for the last 13 years ive dealt w/ many people who think certs make them skilled

epicurus

i don't think that though
where did you get started, were you born with 13 yrs of exp?

RJarett

oca is pretty much just saying you have the skill to buy an oracle book
no more
not that you even read it
I started using it.
It was pre-google
pre-altavista

epicurus

what good is using it without a job

RJarett

No easy access. No java based installer

epicurus

did you store your recipes?

RJarett

Back when it took skill
Nope, 80gb of video and photos
which back then was alot

epicurus

sounds boring
you learned something from that?

RJarett

youre a fu*king moron
how do you expect to learn?
Yes I learned much.

epicurus

so i shouldnt read books? just fumble around with my media library?

RJarett

build a major project, destroy it, try to recreate it and recover it

epicurus

seems like you're the fu*king moron, really
thats not a major project, thats fu*king around

RJarett

nope, im saying if you think oca will make you skilled or teach you how to use it, you are very mistaken
epicurus: actually back then that was larger than most databases at fortune 500 companies

epicurus

so what? the question is what did you do with it
having a full hard drive is not impressive

RJarett

Tested my skills of recovery, performance tuning
lol
full harddrive
an array of a few dozen drives
Your knowledge of computer history is fail.

epicurus

i was working in multi million dollar nocs while you were fu*king around in your bedroom
you fu*king moron
fu*k you

RJarett

Actually considering I work working FOR oracle 12 years ago, and writing for wrox publishing about intermedia/context 11 years ago, i think it did well for me

epicurus

i'm trying to get back in the game, i don't need your smartass remarks, you cunt

RJarett

s/was working

epicurus

so you worked for oracle by fu*king around in your bedroom with your porn collection?
and you wrote books about that? but books don't teach anything?

RJarett

You think a business will let you test disaster recovery on a production system?

epicurus

you're a di*khead, arent; you?
just shut the fu*k up

RJarett

If you want to "get back in the game", think of a project. Design and deploy it end to end.
Destroy it
and try to recover it
Youll learn more than some retarded OCA book will teach you

epicurus

ok, thanks, you finally offered something useful
but that won't get me a job

RJarett

What the fu*k do you think I said before dipsh*t?
same thing
I think ITT is more your speed
Or Devry

epicurus

i already have a degree from a tier one university, thanks

RJarett

Go get a "ecommerce" cert

epicurus

you assume too much
telling people i created and destroyed and recreated a database is not going to get me a job

RJarett

Actually it would

epicurus

this is 2010

RJarett

Master rman, or other forms of DR and you are in
Any stupid fu*k can run a database in day to day work. hell with OEM it runs itself and thinks for you

epicurus

RJarett, isnt learning that part of the cert process though

RJarett

not really

epicurus

instetad of claiming it, i can actually have proof i know what the fu*k i'm doing

RJarett

Being able to be level headed in a disaster and having experienced it in your own environment, you will be far ahead other people
lol
oca as proof
thats funny

epicurus

but you're assuming again

RJarett

do you realize how mickey mouse that cert is?

epicurus

you assume the cert is proof that someone doesnt know what they're doing?
that is sort of retarded, man
don't be an elitist as****e
you're just a guy on irc
let me ask you this
is it possible that someone who gets the cert might actually know what they're doing

RJarett

A former oracle employee, and current systems engineer with many vldb pushing hundreds of thousands of transactions a second
epicurus: not until 4-5 years after the cert when they get real experience

epicurus

ok
that actually makes sense
because the job ads i see often ask for that much experience
but tell me this...
how does anyone get 5 yrs exp if you NEED 5 yrs exp to get a job?

RJarett

you need to do bi**hwork a while and work your way into it

epicurus

i never said my plan would make me an expert.. .but HAVING a plan is important, and following through, right?

RJarett

databases are the heartblood of a company
companies shouldnt let any dumbass touch them
and oca is as junior level as they come

epicurus

so its a chicken and egg scenario
you're a dumbass until you have done it 5 years
but you can't get a job without 5 yrs

RJarett

you can
you just need to start at the bottom

epicurus

what do you mean by that, though
i mean, i never expected to start at the top
but i don't need to do monkey work

RJarett

if you say so

epicurus

RJarett, nobody is going to sit there and hold my hand
we learn things ourselves

thatsme

can anyone help a complete newb. trying to insert and keep getting ORA-00911: invalid character

RJarett

thatsme: provide background to the situation

thatsme

rjarett: I have a table called EMP_1 created and I'm trying to insert "INSERT INTO EMP_1 VALUES('101','News','John','G','11/8/2000','502');"
rjarett: Should I post the table structure??

epicurus

RJarett, i figured i should go ahead and get the certs along the way, because i'll have to know all that sh*t anyway and at least it will get me interviews

RJarett

thatsme: yeah and if your first and last columns are number type you dont need the ''
what method are you inserting? why are you "" the sql?

thatsme

They are VARCHAR part of an assignment so I didn't play with the table structure that they handed me"EMP_NUM" VARCHAR2(3),
"EMP_LNAME" VARCHAR2(15),
"EMP_FNAME" VARCHAR2(15),
"EMP_INITIAL" VARCHAR2(1),
"EMP_HIREDATE" DATE,
"JOB_CODE" VARCHAR2(3),
"EMP_PCT" FLOAT(8),
"PROJ_NUM" VARCHAR2(2)
)

RJarett

float?
really?

thatsme

Sorry wrong one
"EMP_NUM" CHAR(3),
"EMP_LNAME" VARCHAR2(15),
"EMP_FNAME" VARCHAR2(15),
"EMP_INITIAL" VARCHAR2(1),
"EMP_HIREDATE" DATE,
"JOB_CODE" VARCHAR2(3),
PRIMARY KEY ("EMP_NUM") ENABLE,
CONSTRAINT "JOB_CODE" FOREIGN KEY ("JOB_CODE")
REFERENCES "JOB" ("JOB_CODE") ENABLE
)
thats better

RJarett

im betting its your date

thatsme

thats what I thought but due to limited knowledge got stuck should I try a TO_DATE?

RJarett

insert into emp_1 values ('101', 'News','John','G',to_date('11/8/2000','MM/D/YYYY','502');
may be d not D

thatsme

RJARRET: thanks the to-date needed to_date('11/8/2000','MM/DD/YYYY')
8 isn't a valid day of the week

epicurus

RJarett, let me ask you something when you are done here
do you think most shops have a place on the payroll for a guy to sit around and watch the dba expert

RJarett

epicurus: shut the fu*k up and go away
and yeah, its called the CIO

epicurus

why so hostile?

RJarett

Im sure your 'tier 1' university prepared you for the job market
go have fun as a dba specialist

epicurus

i was in the job market before i went to university
if you knew sh*t you would know university is not a trade school

RJarett

lol
It's just another worthless piece of paper like a cert is

epicurus

so you have no education?

RJarett

I didnt say that

epicurus

so your education was worthless?

RJarett

But the education I value the most has no paper associated

epicurus

oh, street smarts

RJarett

Hands on and real world experience

epicurus

i have both

RJarett

One funny thing at oracle, all tech notes on metalink and before metalink were reviewed by dumbfu*k non technical people from yale and princeton, other ivy leagues. Masters/PHD english majors. And these dipsh*ts would revoke or remove technotes and howtos because if spelling or grammar
I always found that fitting of formal education

epicurus

so education and professional certifications are for dipsh*ts
makes sense

RJarett

Yeah pretty much
any idiot can get oca and ocp
all you have to do is pay the class tax

epicurus

then why do all the jobs ads require a 4 year degree and certifications?
are they dipsh*ts too?

RJarett

Because HR people have no technical knowledge

epicurus

they get the requirements from the department
they don't make that sh*t up
but let's not argue this

Xgc

epicurus: Because most companies/management and even most technical employees are not capable of evaluating technical fitness.

epicurus

well goddamn
i'll fit right in

RJarett

lockheed used to require 10+ years and a masters for a web developer only doing html work

epicurus

ok ok

Xgc

So they depend on useless documents about useless degrees.

epicurus

so we agree the job requirements are ridiculous
i'm not really concerned with whether degrees are worthless or not.... the fact is they are on the job requirements

RJarett

In my job description,it even listed I had to be able to lift 80 pounds

epicurus

80 pounds of bullsh*t

RJarett

But that doesnt mean some weight lifter should apply if they are a big idiot
and even if it was a weight lifting job, i wouldnt hire someone that had a paper saying they could

epicurus

lol

RJarett

I would make them prove it

epicurus

point taken
but there are no oracle apprentice jobs listed

RJarett

jr sys admin
helpdesk
etc

epicurus

i've already done that sort of sh*t, i didn't touch any oracle there

RJarett

Then you had no initiative
Or couldnt work yourself into that role, nor could you prove you had the ability to be trusted with it

epicurus

no, i had other sh*t to do

RJarett

And?
Cry me a river

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