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moonpunter
is there anyway to use Firefox OS in the US yet?
pardon if this is a dumb question. i would like to buy it soon if possible. tired of android vulns.
specing
isn't firefox OS a phone thing?
kbrosnan
moonpunter: not without flashing a retail android phone, nexus 5 or sony Z3C are the two test platforms
moonpunter
it is a phone thing
kbrosnan
assuming you want stuff like hpsa and possibly lte
moonpunter
kind of a bummer to me.
i have no need of most of the bells and whistles, y'know?
firefox os on a huwei ascend plus would be fine by me. i guess i should set my mind to that.
specing
firefox OS or not, your baseband is backdoored
moonpunter
never trust secrets to digits, old rule i follow.
ah well. just checking. thanks guys. ps - seamonkey ftw.
:P
j/k i use both daily.
alex_mayorga
moonpunter: If you want I have that Huawei Y300 II ;-)
Got it the very day it went on sale here in Mexico...
This one https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/devices/#huawei_y300-2
If only I was handy enough to hack it and put 2.0 in it...
         

moonpunter
ooh
alex_mayorga
moonpunter: Sadly it is the least hacked one as it was sold only in Mexico AFAIK
kbrosnan: Do you know who could help me upgrade B2G on it?
moonpunter
yeah i don't like that about this whole thing
there are plenty of people in america who could benefit the same way
ting wireless would support it too
kbrosnan
alex_mayorga: sorry I don't know much about b2g
ne1
hello
any decisions on whether pocket is to stay or go?
alex_mayorga
ne1: Read https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/firefox-dev/pocket/firefox-dev/B3jJq_kUuIQ and come back with your conclusions...
ne1
alex_mayorga according to that thread they need more money
are mozilla underpaying their engineers
alex_mayorga
ne1: Can you give me that money quote?
ne1
The core question that you're getting at is really "does it ever make
sense to partner", and to hear you say "no" because "we just need to
do a bit of engineering work" makes me think you are not appreciating
the opportunity costs of doing that work - everything we choose to do
means that there are other things we can't do, or can only do poorly.
i think thats it? haha
still no explaination why it needs to be built in
instead of an extension
b0at
and i still don't get why they didn't get any money for it, supposedly
it's like nobody benefits
i'd at least like the project to benefit, for its continuance
ne1
b0at i wouldnt be surprised if flash was built into the next version
b0at
i would... adobe has never been friendly with anybody
ne1
true
rachelfish
Hiya #firefox when is the firefox javascript console going to have stack traces like chrome?
When there's an error in chrome it says the line where it occured and you can click an arrow to see the functions that called it
Firefox only says the line where the error occured :(
Unless I'm missing something? Is there a hidden option?
b0at
well, there's the debugger. but that's not quite the same.
rachelfish
Yeah, I mean in the console. I don't want to have to add breakpoints to debug something that just showed up in my console...
Also, this is still a serious issue in firefox' javascript console (been an issue for 4+ years now...) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670002
ne1
have you tried firebug rachelfish
it has stack traces
rachelfish
ne1: It still doesn't support sourcemaps when I tried it, though
MrThinks
Was wondering if anyone has ever used https://github.com/pyllyukko/user.js/ profile? It's to harden firefox security.
b0at
MrThinks: nope, but here's a similar, looser project:
https://github.com/dfkt/firefox-tweaks/blob/master/firefox-tweaks.txt
the pyllyukko one looks really nicely-documented
hm, i like how it's organized, too. might base my own personal tweak file on that in the future.
         

MrThinks
b0at: Thanks for sharing the other one. See my problem is that I would like to keep my history.
I've tried to edit the config file to keep history but for some reason it doesnt save
b0at
it's probably from clearing it on shutdown, under "// Clear history when Firefox closes"
comment out user_pref("privacy.clearOnShutdown.history", true);
line 342
or line 357 to not clear anything on shutdown
you'll probably want at least lines 344 and 345 to keep passwords and sessions, maybe 339 for cookies and 346 for "site settings" which includes zoom level
(especially if you have an extension to manage cookies, like "self-destructing cookies")
*probably want to comment out
oh, also it uses private browsing by default. that's line 332-333, user_pref("browser.privatebrowsing.autostart", true);
both of those sets of prefs will eliminate persistent history
MrThinks
Oh I see
I was only changing like 332
Line 332 wouldnt we disable private browsing?
b0at
yes. oh, also just noticed 349, which is probably what you were after in the first place
MrThinks
Yup
Got it
Thanks for the help...super easy and i couldnt figure it out
dorp
Is it just me, or since 36 or 37, under Windows 7, vanilla (with flash) firefox instances are consuming too much memory and become laggy? I just reverted back to an old backup of firefox that I have, happens to be version 32, it has various of addons, dozens of open tabs, I've been using it for a day now- memory consumption is only 1.5GB (reflects the active tabs), and there's no lag.
I've tried disabling hardware acceleration with the newer versions, and I've tried using Flashblock while testing... the exact same misbehaviors. So is it possible that it has something to do with my specific setup/hardware/drivers? Or others experience the exact same faults?
mohammad-ghasemi
how to start firefox in fullscrean?
b0at
dorp: i'd recommend testing with all plugins like flash completely disabled or set to "click to enable". at one time, at least, the flash blocking extensions didn't always prevent flash from running.
though it's probably not a large factor, it's still unpredictable and hard to account for.
dorp
b0at: Well yes, but technically isn't the 32 version uses the exact same version of flash plugin?
b0at
they use the system-installed one, yes
kbrosnan
dorp: sometimes cleaning up old flash installs helps. https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/uninstall-flash-player-windows.html then reinstall from https://get.adboe.com/flashplayer
dorp
kbrosnan: Wouldn't it affect the firefox version of 32 just the same?
kbrosnan
i don't know that i would make that assumption
dorp
Let me look for a fresh image, I'll make a test with a machine without flash ever been installed
It seems that I can google random complaints regarding 36+ versions, for both memory consumption and lags, so I guess it's something others experience just the same and I better yet wait for a version that sorts out these issues
MrThinks
b0at: So even after doing all the settings, the history don't save...:X
b0at
oh
it probably saved the value :P you'll have to explicitly set places.history.whatever to true
i guess copy the lines you comment out and set it to the opposite values
forgot about that. was thinking of it like we were using about:config rather than prefs.js
auscompgeek
yeah I think prefs set in user.js are copied into prefs.js
MrThinks
b0at: sorry about that what were you saying?
b0at
copy the lines you commented out and explicitly set the value you want. we were acting like firefox returned to the default values, even though by using those prefs once it saved that value for the future.
i say copy so that you retain the original hardened value that the author intended, to compare with your new value.
MrThinks
b0at: I see...okay lets give that a try.
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