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tanath
tor browser is specifically targeted though and not as up to date which is bad for security. you can install things like privacybadger and other extensions and do better manually i think
b0at
which is why it was a much better situation when they distributed a single extension that did almost everything
Peng
tanath: You and your unique platform and unique array of uniquely configured extensions are NOT ANONYMOUS.
tanath: TBB pushes out updates ASAP after new Firefox releases. Yes, there might be a day or two where maybe you shouldn't use it, but that's all.
tanath
if panopticlick disagrees?
hm, didn't know it was that up to date now
disabling javascript is a worthy tradeoff for the anonymity hit. harder to distinguish between different js-disabled users at least
and umatrix makes it easier
Philias
Hi. If I open more than a couple videos in private mode or browse in it for maybe, like, on average, a day or two, I get rendering errors and pages sometimes become disfunctional (for example, Youtube then switches automatically to requiring Adobe Flash player, but this wont work of course; I presume its because the HTML5 player wont load anymore)
This mode is signified by black rectangles covering parts or sometimes even the whole page screen and cant be fixed even by closing tabs and triggering garbage collections manually. The rectangles often disappear or reappear on different parts of the page if I scroll, or I think sometimes even when I switch tabs (although Id have to confirm this).
(Id just have to confirm that switching tabs makes them move, Im sure that scrolling does, this can be readily reproduced)
b0at
could be another application interfering with the hardware accleration, or just another in the huge pile of graphics driver bugs
Philias
I did not change about anything on my system in the last few months (well, I did adjust some settings of my wireless adapter, for instance, but Im very definitely sure I did not install any graphics driver updates)
b0at
but firefox is changing and could introduce or expose problems between it and the graphics system
Philias
It worked without these problems before (granted, it would run out-of-memory at some point, but there was no display corruption, if I remember correctly)
Sure, but thats what Im complaining about :P
         

b0at
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837489 describes a similar situation that seems to be mostly traced to bad amd drivers
Philias
Im yet to display hw acceleration, but Id rather not have it disabled permanently anyways. I think I will give it a shot though
Already found this
b0at
and yeah, playing videos without acceleration would be annoying
Philias
I should say that I have a NVidia G 105M here, run by Vista 32bits. My graphics drivers are at least two years old and it appeared first about two or three months ago
The problem reports Ive found by now date back much further or are, apparently, referring to different problems
Oh, and it likes to crash when I close it in this state ;)
Vercas
Greetings.
Philias
Youre welcomed.
Vercas
Is Firefox supposed to remain running when I close its windows?
I can re-open it just fine and get all my tabs back.
But its process just sticks.
I get a fast startup, which is nice, but I'm skeptical about what happens in the background, and battery usage.
Philias
Hm, Im pretty sure its not, and it doesnt do that for me (usually, at least)
Vercas
Could an extension be doing this..?
b0at
soemtimes it doesn't close properly. though usually, it complains when it tries to start up again.
Vercas
The fact that it starts up normally made this issue really hard for me to find.
b0at
i'd suggest closing it and killing the process that hangs around. then see if it still happens
Vercas
b0at: This isn't a one-time issue.
Philias
If extensions keep windows open, Firefox doesnt exit until I close them, by my experience (for example, Session Manager might do this, if I close the main window before I close the session restoration prompt). But I dont think it will start normally after that. In fact, you are lucky enough that I might try that just now
Vut
also generate a brand new profile and test again and see if the issue still goes strong
b0at
Philias: like the other bugzill entry said, it's hard to debug. i'd try updating graphics drivers to see if it helps. but maybe #firefox on irc.mozilla.org can help to debug it.
though updating drivers can be a pain
tanath
Vercas, might want to scan for malware if on windows
b0at
Vercas: does it happen in safe mode? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-issues-using-safe-mode#w_how-to-start-firefox-in-safe-mode
Vercas
b0at: I'll try safe mode.
b0at
if it doesn't, then yes it might be an extension at fault
         

Vercas
tanath: I've done an insane amount of malware scans already. It's definitely not malware.
Online scans (Windows Defender, then uninstalled it in favor of another AV) and offline (BitDefender, AVG, and one more that looked interesting but I can't remember its name).
Philias
b0at: Yeah, the last time I did it, it didnt exactly work flawlessly & And I dont experience problems with it in other applications. Ive already played some games and it is generally very stable.
Vercas: Malwarebytes?
Vercas
Philias: Oh, that too, but there was one more, something with A...
Not Avira...
Anyway, that's not important.
I've closed Firefox.
It even uses a bit of CPU...
Philias
Avast? (But yeah, it really isnt ;) )
Vercas
It even does some processing before closing.
So it responds to Windows messages.
Huh, now that I've closed the process manually, I don't get my session back when restarting it.
(I have it under recently closed windows)
Now the process is gone.
Dahell.
(didn't try safe mode yet)
(just closed the window after I opened a new process)
Philias
Ok, I did some test runs (two, in fact, because I failed the first time) and I can confirm that keeping the Session Manager window open while closing the main window makes the main window go away, leave Fx responding to window messages and will lead to Fx consuming some amount of CPU time then and when even after reaching stable state in regards to memory consumption, as far as I can tell
But if I then proceed to start Fx again, it doesnt show the session restoration thingy on the home screen (I dont know the english text, but it must read something along the lines of Bring my last session back), instead it just opens up another window as it would do if I had started it a second time in usual conditions
So nothing all-too-surprising there
So, does this match up with what you see? In that case, it might be some extension lingering in the background, maybe with a hidden window, and Id suggest trying if disabling them (or just using safe mode) makes the problem go away for you
tanath
Vercas, try herdprotect
instead of uninstalling and reinstalling various AVs
Philias
Omg, does this really do what I think it does?
tanath
herdprotect?
it's on-demand, not real-time, but yes
Philias
(Action) had shuddered on the thought of a tool installing AV engines by the truckload
tanath
what? no
heh
Philias
Oh well, at least it doesnt seem to do that. Still, I wouldnt rely too much on it, because I wouldnt know how it could detect polymorphic virii or nasty rootkits in its course of operation, given how it seems to operate
tanath
like i said, it's on-demand not real-time. i'd use it in combination with mbam
and it's viruses btw. virii isn't a word
Philias
Hm, read it often enough on the Internet, I thought thats how you funky englishmen say it ;)
tanath
i think it was so script kiddies & such could talk about viruses without it turning up in search results back in the day
Philias
Oh, ok
b0at
that's a very charitable way of thinking about bad syntax.
nodata
Does Firefox support MP4 format video in HTML5 ?
i try only this <source src="video1.mp4" type="video/mp4"/> ....but it not play video in Html5
tanath
yeah there were a lot of debates over it :P
meretrix
Is it normal for Nightly to crash a few times per day?
SeanHub
Hey all, gotta question
I want to change the CSS of firefox
to customise the style, how do i do this?
ive downloaded the custom .css file ive made
b0at
SeanHub: the easiest way is with the Stylish extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
and you can get other styles and an idea of how it works and what you can do at userstyles.org
SeanHub
its cool, im doing it all manually by adding css in the profiles folder
b0at
ok. userstyles.org still applies.
SeanHub
oo firefox looks pretty now :)
Saimeidae
Stylish is damn awesome.
My firefox is so mangled from what it is by default :P
Philias
b0at: Back I am!
b0at: Im currently installing the newest graphics driver revision, but I can tell you that it dates back to the fifth January of 2013, so I dont really think it would be any better (and, as it turns out, I already had the setup file on my computer, but re-installed an older revision subsequently, at the start of 2014 (actually, on the fourth of January, what a coincidence!), maybe to fix a problem I had, so Im not very confident in the v
alue of this procedure
b0at: See, thats what you get for trying to fix problems &
tiblock
Hi. Is bug about flash, when it freezes in windows still a bug or it is found and fixed?
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