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Makere
how can my 32bit firefox consume 2770MB RAM?
aren't 32bit applications limited to 2gigs?
another question is why the hell it's consuming that much ram
I have only couple tabs open
Caspy7
Makere: technically 4, practically on windows, something like 3.2 GB
more technically you run into trouble sometime after 2 GB
Makere
yeah I'm on "not responding" loop right now
Caspy7
Makere: if you only have a couple tabs open, it sounds like you have an issue
most of the time these are caused by addons
Makere
more precisely 4 tabs
it's also consuming 14% cpu
14-15
which is around one hyperthreading core worth
in all honesty, I'm starting to get bit sick of this firefox bullsh*t
Caspy7
Makere: I can't tell you anything based on CPU %. That's going to be relative for every user. But I would direct you to troubleshoot your addons
you can restart with addons disabled and see how the memory behaves (under the Help menu)
Makere
ugh default firefox looks so horrible
can I go back 10 years
when the only sh*tty browser was internet explorer
Caspy7
Makere: one of the biggest issues (I would say) that Firefox is facing right now is it's addons system. This is being revamped to fix it right now. It would prevent most such issues.
Makere
well it's going to take like 24hours of firefox open to see if I have the same issue without the addons
I don't want to use the internet so long without proper adblocker
         

Caspy7
Makere: if you have a way to detect the issue - say, run for 5 minutes and the memory spikes by x MB, then a "binary" search method is probably the most expedient approach. You split addons into two groups and disable one and then the other and see which is the offender, then you split that group
assuming you have several addons
Makere
what would be great, would be some sort of method to see which addon is killing the ram
Caspy7
try running in normal mode, but disabling all addons but the adblocker - or starting with the binary method I mentioned
Makere
like statistic
ah well, need to look at it tomorrow
it's not the only PC I have issues
horrible at work also
Caspy7
it's probably an addon that's on both of them (if I were guessing)
Makere
at work I pretty much disabled everything else than ublock origin
and noscript
Caspy7
Makere: I'm sorry. What often happens is that Firefox updates an internal API and an addon maker does not update their addon accordingly - even though they were informed
Makere
don't be sorry
Caspy7
well, 2GB for a few tabs is pretty abnormal
Makere
yeah but it's not your fault is it?
Caspy7
no, but I do believe in free software and want Mozilla and Firefox to be able to give a good experience. Take it as, "I'm sorry your experience is sucking." not that it's my fault :)
Makere
there's only couple small reasons why I haven't jumped ship with others to chrome
and I feel like firefox is going to destroy those in near future
Caspy7
Makere: what reasons are those?
Makere
one being system-independent proxy support
other one is that I can make it look like I want with addons
especially since couple versions back, the UI turned into horrible dog crap
by default
why would someone take worst features from chrome to copy
Caspy7
I don't think the system independent proxy is going anywhere. And right now Moz devs are working to extend the new extension system to allow customizing the browser
Makere
yeah but they break old extensions again
>_>
and less and less extension developers seem to be interested in updating them
Caspy7
Makere: part of the problem is that the extensions *keep breaking* and will into the foreseable future - and the extensions keep breaking firefox
the new system is a stable API that won't require addon makers to update with each version
Makere
well sounds like something they should've thought a long time ago
before breaking the system so many times
Caspy7
yeah, wish we could time travel
Makere
but yeah, my list of things also include fear of google and change
and laziness
         

Caspy7
a fear of Google can be a healthy thing :) - or at least a strong caution/vigilance
Makere
but that's kind of minor thing though
since they already have so much of my other information
Caspy7
Makere: wonder if they have a page like this https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-stop-firefox-making-automatic-connections
Makere
and mozilla seems to like to collect my browsing history for ads also
nowadays
Caspy7
no, they don't
Makere
suggested sites on the tabs
Caspy7
they do not collect your browsing history for ads
there is a client-side list that it draws from to choose which ad might display. It is never sent to Mozilla
so there's a list of sites which fall into a category, like cars. You visit one of those sites and then you can get an ad on cars. Of course, you disable ads entirely and you won't get any - or the local analysis
Makere
ok
it still does collect my geo/locale, and how I act on tiles
and stores them in NSA vault
Caspy7
most browser makers wouldn't go out of their way to do the ads in this client-side manner I described
Makere
most browser makers don't do ads on their browsers
b0at
opera did!
Makere
did
b0at
and it wasn't even open source
Makere
doesn't anymore afaik
Caspy7
you're right, it's a revenue stream though. Perhaps they should do what wikipedia does and put a banner on top of the new tab page asking for donations
the other big browser makers have plenty of money
b0at
do they?
it's a side project for google and apple, not a main thing
do their departments break even?
Makere
Net income $21.6 million (2011)
so Mozilla doesn't have enough money
did they buy 2 boats of cocaine or something
Caspy7
Makere: that money is mainly from the search engine partnership
the part were they're selling your default search engine
it's a horrible, despicable mess I know
Makere
yeah but mozilla has been making 300million usd in revenue 2012-2014 from google
where the hell did all that money go
mozilla foundation that is
kbrosnan
the foundation has never made that much
Caspy7
paying people - and all the other costs of staying open
it's a non profit, they're not rolling in it, and the CEO isn't jetsetting like some non profits
Makere
The deal was extended again another 3 years, until November 2014. In this latest deal, Mozilla will get another $900 million ($300 million annually) from Google, nearly 3 times the previous amount.
ok I guess the money goes to the corporation
kbrosnan
that is a contract between the mozilla corp
Makere
yeah I'm getting bit mixed up here
1000 employees is a lot
kbrosnan
pay, office expenses and grants make up a good chunk
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