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shro0ms
im on ubuntu and sometimes sound just randomly stops working, whether it be in videos or whatever. what could be the problem?
nnnnn
firefox 3, is that still supported?
f00li5h
is there a list-tabs-in-a-combobox type plugin (like opera's window list) that I can use to kill tabs enmass?
also, i recall seeing a bug about plugin update/installs requiring restart ... I wonder if anyone's hacking on it ...
Ivis
Hello
why opera is better than ff ?
techMiles
It's not. Not to me.
LinuxDolt
a lot of browsers are better than ff on technical merits... ff just happens to win on compat.
(Action) isn't sure he'd consider opera better than ff even on technical merits though
Ivis
Im am ff user from first version but with last versions they killed ff
LinuxDolt
o rly?
Ivis
and addon are unsafe full with keylogers etc..
         

LinuxDolt
be more careful of what addons you install
it's not ff's fault if you install third party software that sucks ;)
Ivis
For example i am evil hacker who want's to steal data from others, what i gonna do? Im gonna create ff addon and put in to offical source and it's done
I don't think they are checking every addon
LinuxDolt
none of the addons are in the official source. you have to download them extra
Ivis
they are on https://addons.mozilla.org
techMiles
Where did you hear about any addons with keyloggers?
LinuxDolt
and?
Ivis
techMiles hear from people on forums, it's just sound logical
LinuxDolt
well, i'm pretty sure none of the addons at addons.mozilla.org are intentionally unsafe, which they would be if they had a keylogger
as for getting addons from non-mozilla.org sources... that's their own dang fault
techMiles
Indeed.
Ivis
amen
i just worry too much about security
im feeling like a crazy :D
techMiles
Ivis: make sure you're behind a firewall and update your antivir (if you're on windows) regularly and you're probably fine
LinuxDolt
unsafe simply because of bad coding practices? there might be a few around the official site... you just gotta be careful is all.
techMiles
so long as you don't go around browsing questionable stuff
Ivis
i know know :)
im using linux/windows on linux im feeling safe
but win not too safe :)
LinuxDolt
you shouldn't feel safe just because you're using linux ;) linux has vulnerabilities too and if you don't keep up to date on security fixes...
Ivis
LinuxDolt i know but it's much safer than win
LinuxDolt
i wouldn't necessarily say that... attacks on linux systems just tend to be more subtle
that subtlety could actually be more dangerous in some ways
techMiles
black widow vs tarantula
ahaha
Ivis
if you are running some servers or etc.. then yes but if only browsing a net then it's safer
LinuxDolt
o ye of too much faith ;)
         

Ivis
:)
LinuxDolt what os you use?
LinuxDolt
gentoo linux
and i keep up with my security fixes ;)
even so, i'm well aware that if someone decided to target me for any reason, even just a whim, i'd probably be toast.
Ivis
Ohh im scared from gentoo, a two years ago i was trying to install it, i read all installation guide and then enter into the black whole where i spended a couple hours and at the end i faild :)
LinuxDolt
Ivis: heh... rewind about 10 years ago and it took me much longer than a couple hours ;) but eventually i was successful
been using it since. i've made attempts to like other distros, but they just don't measure up to the gentoo way.
techMiles
(Action) is a windows user
Ivis
LinuxDolt you are lucky guy :) i fell down on arch, but if we talk abaout os security then there are no safer os i just say that linux is safer becouse linux doesn't care about mynakedpictures.jpg.exe or smothing else :) and sry for bad english :)
techMiles
but I keep up with all updates to the OS, have an antivirus that checks for updates at least once/day, am behind a router, and a software firewall
LinuxDolt
techMiles: and i hope you're still aware that all that security is only good enough to keep away casual attempts. nothing can stave off a concerted effort to attack a machine. server or desktop.
techMiles
Yes, but that goes for pretty much any OS
yeah, windows makes it simpler
Ivis
if you wanna feel safe then cut a path cable
LinuxDolt
heh...
to be safe, just stay off the internet altogether. only way.
techMiles
but I am no simple or new user.
LinuxDolt
but we can erect walls that have to be climbed or tore down to keep off most threats, which is generally good enough
Ivis
amen
:)
techMiles
Well, considering that I have no information which would be valuable to anyone else, unless they wanna play Lord of the Rings Online on my account, I don't see them trying real hard to tear 'em down.
LinuxDolt
heh.
yeah, me either
Ivis
i buy a lot with my credit card and paying online bills
so i should think about security
techMiles
I don't even have either of those.
LinuxDolt
i do a fair bit of online shopping, but i never let any of my browsers save form data.
all truly important data is kept only in the safest place = my head
techMiles
if I did, though, I would probably use Linux with Firefox and NoScript
Ivis
LinuxDolt does browser somehow save all data somewhere very deep ?
or os is saving all your typing data
LinuxDolt
Ivis: not really. most browsers have an option to save form data, it's saved fairly narrowly though and is easy to remove. it's also quite easy to prevent it altogether.
Ivis
ohh
and os mybe have a file where goes all typing data
LinuxDolt
no os that i'm aware of keeps such a thing
techMiles
That would take up a ridiculous amount of space
and would be highly noticeable
unless you only use the computer 20 min/day
LinuxDolt
that's called keylogging, and is quite invasive
techMiles
Youd' probably notice a performance decrease as well
LinuxDolt
probably? you would.
no probably about that
Ivis
yea but mybe os is encrypting data
somehow all typing data
techMiles
Well, depends on a) the user, b) how much said user uses on the computer in terms of resources and c) how high-end of a computer it is.
LinuxDolt
Ivis: you sound like one of those conspiracy theorist types.... seriously... it's not happening. you'd know.
techMiles
If you've got a n00b using just a browser and MS Office on a computer with an i7 and DDR3 ram... they'll never notice.
Ivis
yea i have theese crazy thots :)
techMiles
However, I notice my network speed slowing down when no one else in the house does.
LinuxDolt
techMiles: ... true enough. but what kind of noob like that would even buy that kind of hardware?
techMiles
LinuxDolt: one that wants bragging points
LinuxDolt
hahaha...
techMiles
or somebody who thinks they're a computer genius
but still looks for the 'any key'
Ivis
There a lot of people who buy expensive computers but didn't use all power :)
who have a lot of money \
LinuxDolt
not me... i squeeze everything i can out of my machines
no point in getting them otherwise
Ivis
right
ok im goona go smoke a cigarete brb :)
techMiles
LinuxDolt: I do that, and a bit more. my poor laptop. LOL
I'm soooo hard on laptops when they're the only machine I have
LinuxDolt
heh...
i'm actually quite kind to my laptop... mostly it just acts as a client to my desktop
techMiles
I am very very glad I got this desktop. lol
yeah
Ivis
im back
techMiles
very fast cigarette
Ivis
only a half of cigarete
:)
talking about laptops im now saving money for iPad
strangely quite :D
it's starting feel very creepy
hey guys where are you ?
pcgenius
good bye to all
davirrirri
Hello everybody, I have a problem when i try upload photos in Fecebook using FF. Java open nautilius but not show the images, and when try upload photo does crash with FF and then close the navigator.
how fix this problem?
davidleon
is there any way to know the address corresponding source of a specific firefox build
i'm currently experiencing a dead loop of firefox
6c0140bd
why there's no addr2line tool in firefox?
actually i experience very wierd crash of firefox
can't get anything useful from the bug report
Derrike
I found a bug in the way Firefox handles data URIs of certain types (audio).
Could someone direct me to the appropriate place to report it?
wgwinn
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ ?
manizzle
What type of bug?
Derrike
Base64 encoded data URIs, if they are URI encoded, fail to work properly as embed audio sources. (In spite of working properly for image sources.)
kbrosnan
Derrike: do you mean <audio>? if so then https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536246
wgwinn
does anyone know where nsplaces.js comes from ? is it stock, part of an extension ?
kbrosnan
sounds like a base file of firefox
Derrike
No, I meant <embed> using a data src. The sound is distorted because it is interpreting the encoded data as if it were unencoded.
wgwinn
kbrosnan: thanks.. it's filling firebug with hundreds of errors everytime i touch the address bar. Quite annoying.
kbrosnan
are you setting firebug to inspect a chrome document?
Derrike: any chance of a public test or a pastbin I could poke at?
wgwinn
no, my website.
Derrike
I have a pastebin, but it is a greasemonkey script. You could use http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/data/data to produce something that could stand in for the loading of a resource. http://pastebin.org/347244
kbrosnan
wgwinn: poking at my Firefox installs I don't see that file name
wgwinn
well. i'm thinking as soon as this songs over mine wont either..
puddingpimp
is there a way to prevent FF3.6 from reloading all the pages that were open last
I pkill firefox when the memory leaks get over 1GB, then when I start it again, I have to close all the tabs, I'd prefer if it would just open as if I had quit
Kano
hi, is there a kiosk mode in firefox by default?
Tass_
how to delete the DNS cache?
FishFace
Tass_, not really a Firefox question I think. You can do it through Windows if that is what you are on
Tass_
FishFace, a) I'm suing linux. b) I restarted the dnsmasq on the other side. c) I don't suppose linux does dnsmasq caching if you don't tell it to. d) midori works as it should e) firefox does now as well
FishFace
Tass_, that is beyond my Linux knowledge. I do see you can restart the ncsd daemon though in init.d - I have never had a reason to do that tough.
My Linux fooling around stops after make config - LOL
ping__luce
hi. is it true that chrome is faster than firefox?
wgwinn
Tass_: theres a whole channell of linuxy peoples over in ##linux :)
Derrike
ping__luce: Your mileage may vary.
FishFace
Tass_, did you get it? I see an about:config you might try
ping__luce
Derrike: ?
FishFace
ping__luce, you could install it and test it yourself and see if you think it is faster. Fans of either browser will give you different opinions.
Derrike
ping__luce: I do not think you will get an objective answer to that. But chrome is saying it is faster at the expense of less add-ons and features.
ping__luce
FishFace: I wonder if is there a scientific comparison of the rendering time, given a precise url
Derrike: I think that an objective answer is easy to obtain if someone measures times
Derrike
ping__luce: Then I would advise creating a study and sharing your results.
FishFace
ping__luce, some dude has a timer app that will let you know how long the page took to load. You can use it on different browsers.
ping__luce
FishFace: right
FishFace
ping__luce, for instance. I loaded up CNN.com which I have never been to on either browser. Firefox took 4.281 seconds and Chrome took 6.297 seconds.
ping__luce
FishFace: it should be done an average with a lot of sites
FishFace
ping__luce, yep. Some sites like Lifehacker do the tests.
Derrike
But the information varies, one given site can't be a metric, because it may be more javascript / plugin intensive than another.
puddingpimp
ping__luce, who cares if Chrome is slightly faster, Firefox has tree style tabs and Perakun
without those my web browsing experience would be sad
ping__luce
puddingpimp: is perakun really useful?
puddingpimp
it is if you are a student of Chinese or Japanese
ping__luce
are you?
puddingpimp
yes
ping__luce
I see. and what if you don't know even a word of jap/chineese ?
puddingpimp
and it helps me read my (bilingual) friends fb status updates
ping__luce
can perakun be useful in this case too?
puddingpimp
then maybe it could help, but I think you'd be a bit stuck without some understanding of the languages grammar
ping__luce
I see
puddingpimp
it's very easy to completely misinterpret something by just looking up all the words
or invert the sense of it
ping__luce
I see. anyway, comparing the rendering, the more I use chrome, the more I note that it's faster
puddingpimp
I wonder how much it depends on fonts
I changed my firefox font form Bitstream Vera to WQY ZenHei and it seems to render a lot faster
at least it scrolls without jitter
or I inadvertently changed something else
both Chrome and Firefox leak memory, it does not impress me
on Linux, my brother tells me it leaks memory on Windows too
Derrike
I wonder which version leaks less.
puddingpimp
it doesn't matter, any leak is unacceptable
Derrike
Yeah. I don't know why it hasn't been tracked down and stopped, yet.
puddingpimp
the leak rate is sufficient in both that I can't leave a browser open for a week under normal usage
I don't know why they don't use better programming techniques that prevent them from occuring in the first place
particularly in Chrome which is far more greenfield than Firefox
Derrike
Though, I don't know exactly how a memory leak even begins.
puddingpimp
simple, you allocate memory for some tangible thing like a page or an image, and you don't free it when you are finished with it
either you forget about it, by freeing the structure that references it, or you just have some list that is growing silently
Derrike
So, the cache code doesn't release least-accessed data.
Even though there is a size limit that can be set.
puddingpimp
well, a good debugging test would be to disable all caches and see whether the footprint is equal before and after doing some action
I don't have any experience with the Mozilla codebase
but I would approach it by having heaps for each type of thing, images, windows, tabs, documents, whatever
and I would add debugging hooks to show the usage in heap space and number of allocated objects in each heap
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