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tvaughn
is there a way to get each tab into a seperate process currently?
auscompgeek
Not yet, the Electrolysis team is working on that.
tvaughn
ah
would that allow for smoother functionality when you have a ton of tabs open?
auscompgeek
It might actually have the opposite effect on old computers.
mzz
I'd expect it to be a bit more ram-hungry unless it ends up grouping a couple of tabs per child process.
tvaughn
I've got plenty of ram
7GB
and a quadcore processor so should probably improve performance
is there a addon that lets me minimize tabs?
like where they're still somewhere visible but not using resources
auscompgeek
TooManyTabs?
tvaughn
perfect
auscompgeek
Glad I could help :)
         

tvaughn
should having a lot of extensions slow down firefox?
Ilie
hi, I just installed firefox 3 in ubuntu karmic and the fonts are very ugly and fuzzy, any idea what I can do?
auscompgeek
Firefox 3.0 is no longer supported.
Ilie
sorry, thunderbird 3.0
JodaX
eew, process separation
tvaughn
yeah theres no thunderbird channel o.o
auscompgeek
JodaX: we've already completed it for plugins :)
JodaX
i just don't understand why anyone would want that
auscompgeek
JodaX: http://flashcrash.dempsky.org ?
Best example.
tvaughn
lets not click that :p
JodaX
propably for all those people with nondependable computers where the fix is to only let one process crash
Ilie
I have antialiased fonts turned on, how can I solve this ?
rjohnson19
Ilie: try in #thunderbird in irc.mozilla.org, or maybe a ubuntu channel...
Ilie
thanks for the tips
JodaX
auscompgeek, seperate plugins into a thread, if they crash nothing is taken down with them
auscompgeek
JodaX: too late
jef91
Anyone around that knows their way around the firefox mobile browser?
stevecam
jef91, might help if you tell us what you are trying to do
jef91
stevecam Is there anyway I can get flash working in it on my n900? Also how can I highlight text on a page?
stevecam
i dont know, i hope you have tried google
         

tvaughn
stevecam: whats a google
why are you versioning and pinging me
AlienDK
tvaughn
BECAUSE I AM EVIL
-.-
Well
Obiviously its because I wanted to version and ping you :)
dolske
jef91: you'll likely have better luck with #mobile on irc.mozilla.org.
#maemo here may be a good bet too, though...
kristian-aalborg
hi all
need to find the directory of the flash video cache, can anyone help?
xangua
/tmp/
kristian-aalborg
it's shiretoko on linux mint, I might add
jimi_hendrix
hello, is there a .deb for firefox somewhere?
Gh3rssp
not afaik
Peng
Aside from the repositories of various deb-based distros...
Gh3rssp
right
kristian-aalborg
jimi_hendrix: sudo apt-get install firefox?
what's your distro?
Gh3rssp
well, .deb says its debian based
kristian-aalborg
the reason I ask is that I thought FF was in every debian-based distro...?
Gh3rssp
it is
debian rebranded to Ice Weasel though
kristian-aalborg
jimi_hendrix: you still there?
codedread
can anyone tell me if i've assigned https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549046 to the correct product+component?
rjohnson19
codedread: Core : Editor seems right; another contenteditable bug is there.
codedread
right, that's where the initial contenteditable bug that glazman worked on was
another contenteditable bug (this time related to SVG perhaps): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549048
seems contenteditable isn't really read for prime time in Firefox?
http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/how-to-hack-your-app-to-make-contenteditable-work/
rjohnson19
your first attachment on that works for me on 3.6 on windows, fwiw.
codedread
yeah, from http you mean? ;)
see my comment
can you try it locally?
rjohnson19
yeah, that also works :/ I'm not an official bug confirmer though.
codedread
ok, thanks for the update rjohnson19
ttyl
doughed2003
i hope some one can help me . while playing farmville on face book my hdd will start to contently run like it's reading and the browser just freezes and then crashes. i have the latest flash and useing Ubuntu as my os .
also i have 1.2 gigs of ram and a dual core pros.
asandy
so #firefox is mirrored from moznet to freenodes network?
weird I find some of moznet's channels on freenode's network
mzz
I'd only call it mirrored if there was a proxy relaying between the two
[reed]
asandy: no, separate channels
asandy: we just happen to have a small presence here
though, we prefer that people use moznet
mzz
that's just because there's no firebot here
Mantis
hi where does firefox save cookies to on default?
(opensolaris)
mzz
Mantis: ~/.mozilla/firefox/randomcharacters.default/cookies.sqlite
why do you ask?
also, I'm assuming a recentish firefox
Mantis
well, i need to use it :)
knoppix
I am being driven crazy with firefox 3.5.5 for as long as browsers had caches and histories I have constantly deleted my caches and kept my history as long as possible. I can't figure out how to do this on FF3.5.5. It is driving me crazy.
can anyone help me.
please.
mzz
I don't understand the question
why do you need to disable caching?
knoppix
there can be sites where the content of the page is a security risk, but you want to be able to see when you last visited the website
this is the normal case for me.
Cork[home]
tools > clear reacent history...
knoppix
I never bookmark things right away. It is more important to be able to keep the history than it is to clear the cache
mzz
well, there's a history time setting in edit -> preferences -> history, and a disk cache size setting in edit -> preferences -> advanced -> network
knoppix
After several weeks I go back over the history and decide what i really want to bookmark.
mzz
I'm not sure if that lets you actually completely disable the disk cache though.
Accesshater
private browsing?
doesnt that disable the cache?
mzz
that's what he *doesn't* want, since he wants history kept
knoppix
I want good cache size while browsing, I just need to clear it immediately after leaving the website before visiting another website
mzz
ahh
knoppix
I want a large cache.
mzz
knoppix: there's probably some extension that puts a clear cache button on your toolbar
knoppix
I want my history for a minimum of one month
Accesshater
if you are a security freak you may also want to update your browser
update your browser? 3.5.5 -> 3.5.8 -> 3.6
mzz
the default history duration is much more than a month
knoppix
shouldn't the browser itself handle that all browsers have virtually forever
mzz
depends!
knoppix: which distro are you on?
knoppix
connecting history settings with cache settings is the worst browser change I have ever seen
mzz
a mozilla build of firefox will update itself. A distro build normally relies on you applying regular distro-level updates.
what?
they *aren't* connected
knoppix
I don't know a single person who wants to treat these the same way,.
mzz
well, in the private browsing case you could argue they are, but I fail to see how that's surprising
knoppix
it keeps getting worse. I would much rather downgrade back to 1.x
mzz
outside of private browsing the two aren't connected
what are you doing that makes it look like they are?
knoppix
how do you remove the cache and leave the history intact?
mzz
you are describing behavior I cannot explain from my knowledge of the default settings. What are you actually changing from the default or doing that clears your history?
edit -> preferences -> advanced -> network -> clear now
there's probably a faster way, if only to customize edit -> preferences -> privacy -> customize to clear only the cache, not history
knoppix
that is offline storage, not cache
mzz
no, that's cache
knoppix
really?
mzz
I am talking about the "clear now" button sitting next to "Use up to X MB of space for the cache"
I am fairly certain that clears the cache, but let me verify
knoppix
there are cases where things are deliberately stored offline, this is different from having a website saved for faster loading
mzz
yep, that nuked my ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/Cache quite nicely
knoppix
maybe it is just misleading
it is in a section about offline storage and and talks about notification of a website wanting to store stuff. the clear seems to be referring to the "offline STORAGE" as opposed to the cache, It appears as though the only thing you can do wrt to the cache is decide on the size.
I can't tell you how many times i and others have looked at that and decided it definitely was not for cache clearing.
is that all it nuked though?
I don't want my cache clearing to affect anything else
are you absolutely certain it didn't affect anything other than the cache?
that is my concern
thanks - but are you sure it just clears the cache?
mzz are you still here
mzz
knoppix: yes, but multitasking
knoppix
mzz thank you for actually clearing your own cache just to help me
marienz
shrug, it's not like my cache is valuable
knoppix
maybe I should just use a script so I can be sure
I don't want to take chances if I am not sure what it does.
It wouldn't do any harm to do your own removing (via a simple script) while you are browsing would it.
I guess it might try to remove the web page you are viewing at that moment though
hmm, any pitfalls or dangers there?
mzz would it hurt if you accidentally removed the cache for the website you are viewing at the moment?
mzz
nope, but having no cache (espceially disabling the memory cache) can have unfortunate effects on some pages, at least it could in the past (I don't know how much this has changed)
for example: I've read reports of images getting reloaded as you scroll around in a page
you don't normally want images re-requested over the network as you scroll to the bottom of a page and then back to the top
knoppix
why in heavens name is there a simple way to "remove recent history" which hardly anyone I know wants to do and none to simple remove the cache which just about everyone I know wants to do all the time?
or are my friends that far from the norm?
I doubt it.
so the script solutio isn't ideal unless you have some way of telling what is being viewed at that moment.
mzz, so are you fairly sure all that does is remove the cache and if not is there an easy way to know which cache parts are in current use?
mzz
err?
why *do* you need to clean the cache?
knoppix
because I want to be able to go to sites where leaving a cache would be a security risk. think for example of online banking
mzz
those should already be telling the browser not to cache the sensitive parts then
knoppix
knowing when you went to a bank is no security risk, but the content of the pages is a huge security risk
well they don't always -- in fact they insist that you clear the cache as soon as you are done.
every banking website I have ever seen tells you to clear the cache when done.
mzz
how peculiar.
oh well, perhaps I'm just strange myself.
knoppix
well that is the way they do things in america, and I would venture to guess that is for all major banks here.
the don't want their customers complaining that their website is slow. banks here are notorious for putting convenience over security.
and that is just the tip of the iceberg. many banks require email confirmation of certain actions and the email is cleartext
mzz, whatever the reason - everyone I know wants to delete their cache all the time. This may go back all the way to Mosaic days.
but I dont know -- probably they didnt even have caches on Mosaic days.
but definitely since early versions of netscape.
and I don't know anyone who deletes their history
mzz, what is your final conclusion as to what to do given what I wrote above?
mzz are you still around?
mzz
that it seems odd to me that you need to clear your cache for security reasons without also having to clear a bunch of other things
I'm around, but only a little
knoppix
I thought that was the case for everyone. It certainly seems to be for everyone I know.
earlier browsers always had a way to clear the cache, but rarely to clear other things.
You are the first person I have met who seems to like to do things differently, assuming you do.
mzz, but whatever our personal preferences, are you fairly sure it is just the cache that is deleted with that button?
mzz: and if not, do you happen to kow of a simple way of knowing what part(s) of the cache are in use and avoiding their removal?
andreo`
I have the lags while scrolling (FireFox, Chrome, Emacs). At the same time there are no lags on Windows.
mzz
knoppix: that button clears ~/.mozilla/firefox/profilename/Cache, which I'm assuming is what your bank wants you to clear (I can't think of anything else they could be referring to)
knoppix
I know it clears that, the question is that all it does or not.
mzz
andreo`: that kind of thing is fairly hard to debug. I'd probably ask on the distro's support channel first.
knoppix: I'm also positive it doesn't clear your history
knoppix
ok, that is the most important
mzz
knoppix: I'm not sure what it does to some other forms of caching, like the offline storage you were referring to earlier. But I doubt your bank uses those anyway.
andreo`: (especially since you already noticed it's not firefox-specific)
knoppix
hard to kow for sure, but if it is above board you can move it
what distro are you using andreo`
mzz
andreo`: turning smooth scrolling off may give you a more pleasant browsing experience if smooth scrolling doesn't perform well (that's in edit -> preferences -> advanced -> general)
knoppix
if it is the latest ubuntu I have heard of lots of other people with the same problem
or at least what sounds as if it might be the same problem
the also get periodic freezing
using recent versions of FF
mzz: I am really puzzled by so many things in recent versions of FF. For example why are cookies assumed to have anything to do with history?
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