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confusious
hello ?
hmmmmm.my pidgin keeps talkin to me but nobodys talking
mzz
this channel isn't all that busy
paxcoder
info: when changing src property of the video tag, the old video continues to play instead of loading the new one.
*changing <- via js of course.
(although the DOM does show a change - says firebug)
rjohnson19
paxcoder: This: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478805 says you have to call load()
kermit
confusious: i use no script, but i clicked 'allow all this page'
confusious: i dont know what you maen by "did you recently have everything on your pc reset"
confusious
well...........
i recently had some major probs after a ff update............
all bookmarks gone..........all files gone from my dsktop it's a mess !
paxcoder
rjohnson19: thanks, trying out...
rjohnson19: yep.
rjohnson19
np :)
enthdegree
Awesome, I wrote a script to get rid of all my fan pages. Now I just leave my computer on all night.
         

paxcoder
since i'm here, does anyone know if an add-on could be created that would play files from user's computer (video tag alone can't do it as ff blocks "file://" in remote pages)?
(not changing user's preferences would be preferred)
kermit
weird i had to clear my cookies for gmail to let me login
mahogany
It's a real pity Mozilla doesn't provide x64 Firefox binaries. It is after all, 2010. Anyway, enough "trolling", does anyone know how stable the x64 binaries provided by mozilla-x86-64.com are?
dolske
mahogany: we do now for linux on trunk. see http://nightly.mozilla.org/
kbrosnan
dolske: mozilla-x86-64.com was windows builds last i knew
mahogany
dolske: Nice, but I need for MSWIN. :)
dolske
ah. sorry, no official x64 build for Windows (or OS X) yet, but it's on the planning board.
mahogany
Yeah, I read something yesterday about x64 builds making life hell for the average user. What a really lame excuse for not having official x64 support.
kbrosnan
many reasons, large increase in build infrastructure. large increase in qa requirements.
bad plugin support
dolske
well, it's a pain in that you have to deal with users on 32bit systems trying to use the 64 bit versions, and shared binaries used by both 32 and 64 bit systems.
Lots of reasons why it's not easy to do, but it's something that's being worked on.
mahogany
I really don't why someone would try to run a 64bit version on a 32bit system.
don't see*
kbrosnan
they don't know better
dolske
Because when you have 350 million users, it turns out a *lot* of people don't understand or care about the difference.
:)
mahogany
I do understand the infrastructure and qa issues though.
kbrosnan
afik java is the only x64 plugin in general release
mahogany
Personally I think that kind of attitude stalls development. Eventually "everyone" has to understand more about computers than they are today. Like cars, you don't have to know every single little bit about them, but you sure has to know some. The same with computers, in a few years you have to know the basics about your architecture. Thinking about those 350 million users only stalls that process. Just my 2 cents. Not trying to be a smart ass o
kbrosnan
i would think it would casue problems wtih binary extensions as well
i would say that you are not interacting with general users in that case. they treat computers like an appliance
mahogany
Simply holding their hands and patting their heads only prevents progress.
dolske
do you know if your car is running 32bit or 64bit code?
mahogany
Whether my cars computer is running a 32bit or 64bit CPU is less relevant than what kind of oil or gas it uses.
At the moment I do not know what kind of oil or gas my car uses since I do not have a license. :)
         

dolske
you mean what kinds of oils. plural.
or perhaps you've never changed the oil in a set of differentials. :P
Peng
Is that anything like /usr/bin/diff? :D
dolske
or recharged A/C refrigerant, or ...
clearly you're holding back automotive progress!
:P
mahogany
dolske: You still get my point, don't you?
dolske
mahogany: I know the point you're trying to make, and disagree with you 100%. :-)
I would even argue that forcing users to understand mundane details like that is, in fact, what holds back progress.
Compare installing software today to installing software 20 or 30 years ago.
HARPH
I'm developing an extention and I need to access to the body of the current web page. Does anyone know how to do it?
mahogany
Isn't knowing what your computer arch is as important as knowing what gas your car uses?
dolske
HARPH: I'd recommend looking at some existing extension to see how it works, or reading up on developer.mozilla.org.
kbrosnan
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/Interaction_between_privileged_and_non-privileged_pages
#extdev on irc.mozilla.org too
dolske
mahogany: it's only important so far as it's a detail that people are currently forced to deal with, doesn't mean it's good or useful.
kbrosnan
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Code_snippets/HTML_to_DOM
mahogany
dolske: So we should refrain from inventing new types of propellant since users may fill their car with the wrong one? Just the same as 32bit vs. 64bit.
dolske
ugh, no,
* uhm, no
I suggest you read a bit on the vast quantity of information on the topic on computer/software usability.
Peng
Flaws in car usability doesn't mean computer software should suck just as much too. :P
Just sayin'.
mahogany
dolske: Perhaps I simply have a hard time realizing just how stupid the average user really is.
kbrosnan
work tech support for a few years
mahogany
Perhaps they do have a harder time grasping the concept of bits than I think.
kbrosnan: I did work tech support for a webhosting company a few months.
At that time I got some calls from people who couldn't use their FTP-client. It made me wonder why they were our customers.
kbrosnan
that is a bit differnt, much higher ratio of experienced computer users. doing some help with end users of firefox is humbling http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/How+to+contribute
mahogany
I wonder how they managed to get Firefox to even install and run then...
kbrosnan
over on irc.mozilla.org there was just a guy that took 30 min to find tools > options > general
mahogany
Or are there just too many cases of "son installs firefox for his mother and then doesn't help her use it"?
kbrosnan
someone else might have set it up. clicking next a few times is a lot less work than other computer tasks
Peng
kbrosnan: But he got on IRC?
kbrosnan
Peng: yes
mahogany
He got on IRC but can't find the settings? How is that possible?
Peng
mahogany: People are amazing.
mahogany
(Action) really cannot understand it
Computers are very logical, and I can't understand why people can't realize that. Take my rather stupid mother for example, she understands the concept of A and the concept of B, but she simply can't get her mind to add them together to get C which is whatever result she's after.
Even the concept of abstraction is hard for them to understand, and abstraction is far from limited to computer science. Abstraction is very generic. You can find it anywhere.
My mother uses Microsoft Word very often. She writes a few pages of text and then selects some of it and applies the font she wants, makes a few lists, etc. This makes me quite upset since she doesn't use the features available, such as Quick Styles. When I explain it to her, she understands the concept of Quick Styles, but she can't use them afterwards. How come? I really don't know.
I know it's rather off-topic, but since some of you obviously have more tech support experience than me, perhaps someone can explain this very strange phenomena to me.
kbrosnan
she may have learned behavior from previous versions of word. befor the style concept was really touted
mahogany
Wouldn't she say it then? "I like to do it the old fashioned way" instead cheering the concept of styles when they are explained.
Peng
Maybe she isn't really conscious of it?
mahogany
Maybe so, and maybe it's more common than I thought.
kbrosnan
depending on how long your mother has been using word processers you have x numbers of years of previous behavior
styling really shines on multipage documents. writing a quick message i still tend to use buttons or ctrl + b and whatnot
mahogany
Styles have been available in one form or the other since Word 2. Back then she did not use it.
Even Word 1.0 had them.
kbrosnan
the feature was poorly exposed till office 2007 imo
mahogany
Some years back she often used floppies to take data back and forth from work. Today, she can't use USB-keys, despite the fact that once you plug it in, it's used the same way as old floppies.
And she can plug it in, she just can't use it. But, if you give her a floppy she can still put files on it. What is the difference? They both show up the same way in My Computer.
Anyways, going back to the topic of the channel, is it possible to force installation of "incompatible" extensions? I can't find any settings in about:config.
rjohnson19
To disable extension compatibility checking, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/15003 or: about:config -> right-click in page -> new -> boolean -> extensions.checkCompatibility -> false. For >=3.6, see http://tinyurl.com/y8quwpq
mahogany
Ah, silly me. I forgot the "add settings" way of doing things. =)
That did the trick, but unfortunately the extension did not work correctly.
Samus_Aran
hello. I'm using a 64bit distro, and have installed the 32bit Firefox to /opt/Mozilla_Firefox. I have placed a symlink to a 32bit Sun Java browser plugin in /opt/Mozilla_Firefox/plugins/ but it isn't seeing it after a restart
which .so file do I need to add to the plugins folder for Firefox to see it ? there's a bunch
I used /opt/java/32/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
there's no problem seeing my 32bit Adobe Flash plugin, so I assume I've just got the wrong .so for the 32bit JRE
kbrosnan
libjavaplugin_oji.so
though the java plugn expects the default system java to match the running plugin
Samus_Aran
what do you mean by "default" ?
in previous versions of Firefox, it used the directory of the symlink (it wouldn't work if you copied the plugin, you had to symlink it so it could find the correct Java runtime)
kbrosnan
java run from the console needs to be the 32-bit version
Samus_Aran
when did Firefox decide to break that ?
it's always used the path of the symlink as long as I've used Firefox
it's common for a distro to have numerous versions of Java installed
even moreso on 64bit distros
kbrosnan
it is not a Firefox requirement it is a sun/java requirement
Samus_Aran
it's loading shared libraries, not the java executable
kbrosnan
the plugin is written by sun, the plugin sets its own requirements
Samus_Aran
so there's no way for people with more than one version of Java to use a web browser plugin ?
that seems rather strange
kbrosnan
i would guess that there is some enviroment variable, swag export JAVA=/path/to/32-bitjava
that would work as well as seting 32 bit to be the default in the PATH
or write a script to set the 32 bit java as the default in the path and lauch firefox
(Action) is off to bed
Samus_Aran
kbrosnan: okay thank you, I'll try JAVA and PATH muckery
Idntic
Oops
Hadn't updated since 3.6 Beta 5
poutine
Is there a way to disable stealing focus all together? I'm really sick of sites putting me back in the username field when I'm typing my password, or google stealing focus from the address bar (why is that even possible) when I just start it up and am typing in a URL. I realize I can disable javascript, I also realize I can use a different start page, or a local version without the focus stealing, but this is a general annoyance and I'm a
bit shocked there's no obvious option for it
I see descriptions of this problem all around the internets, but no acceptable solutions: http://ask.metafilter.com/31076/Looking-for-a-Firefox-fix-for-entering-URL-on-startup , http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=597717 , http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/99609816/m/237008524931
Balsaq
hi
need help getting youtube vids to play using w7 64 bit OS and firefox?
n3rd
is this the right place to ask about bespin project ?
Gryfelhase
Hi. A friend of mine has phoned me, the menus at the top (file, help etc) disappered (using firefox on vista)
Are there shortcuts do disable the menus ?
He did also restarted the computer, but didn't helped
cryton
he should be able to restart in firefox's safemode
in there is an option to reset the toolbar configuration
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Safe+Mode
Gryfelhase
cryton: Thx, we will try
cryton
ok
predator7
hi
atari
hi
i just had the problem that firefox cached the result. so he always showed me the "save as" dialog. now some time later and other network it's running fine the php altough i hadnt changed anything on server side. ist there a config option to manage that?
Rar9
hi.... quick question... how do I change in my normal adressbar the default search back to google. currently got yandex.ru?
kbrosnan
Rar9: about:config , use the filter to find keyword.url right click choose reset
assuming you are not using a localized version of firefox
HARPH
Hey I'm trying to set and onload event to the current web page from a firefox extension
does anyone know how to do it?
l403
where the hell is info about installing firefox on linux?
only found pretty useless info on http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/releasenotes/
kbrosnan
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Installing+Firefox+on+Linux
n3rd
l403, download the source, extract and less README
kbrosnan
no need to bother with the source generally
n3rd
yup that true, but he just said linux, wasn't specific
l403
it has binaries already
I am just failing to find INSTALL file which is beyond me
kbrosnan
there is no such file, you just extract to your perfered location
mzz
l403: extract somewhere (I'd use my homedir, but /opt works too) and run
l403
also that site I have posed is really bad since it leads me to think that the thing I am supposed to need is gonna be right there but is not at all
mzz
it *is* right there once you've unpacked.
kbrosnan
there is only so much you can cover in release notes for three operating systems, use support.mozilla.com for actuall support
mzz
l403: and yes, support.mozilla.com has an article on installing on linux
l403
the INSTALL should still be there to inform about that! and also inform that I am not supposed to try to run the run-mozilla.sh but the binary right away
a link should be right there then to the site you gave me
n3rd
(Action) most of them who are using GNU/linux need no links for such basic stuff
HARPH
ey I'm trying to set and onload event to the current web page from a firefox extension. does anyone know how to do it?
rjohnson19
Try asking in #extdev on irc.mozilla.org
HARPH
thanks
l403
n3rd, most (100% - 1/gazillion) of GNU/linux software packages have install instructions in a file called INSTALL even if no installation is necessary or at least a readme with direct informatio
anyways. thank you and bye
zoke
if I'm running 3.5.8 and I want to upgrade to 3.6, how do I do that
does the autoupdater let me do that ?
kbrosnan
zoke: help > check for updates in Windows or OS X
zoke
thanks kbrosnan
ekkis
hei everyone, I installed a certificate for a CA but when I connect to a mail server using thunderbird, it doesn't seem to know how to use the CA...
what am I missing?
it just complains "Could not verify this certificate for unknown reasons"
rjohnson19
Thats all it says? You installed the CA in thunderbird following instructions like http://www.cs.washington.edu/lab/services/email/MozillaHowTo/AddCACert.html
ekkis
rjohnson19: I figured it out... I installed the CA in firefox but apparently thunderbird has its own certificate store
I expected it to be like it is in OSX and windows where there is a global store
so I added it in thunderbird and everything is fine... now I'm just struggling with how to configure an imap account
there we go. now it works... I wonder what I did to make it work
rjohnson19
Yeah each mozilla app has its own NSS cert store.
ekkis
anyone here have any luck subscribing to a shared IMAP folder with Thunderbird?
tgrq3
how to import passwords from seamonkey 1.1.17 to firefox 3.5?
rjohnson19
tgrq3: check out the instructions in this thread: http://support.mozilla.com/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?locale=pl&comments_parentId=76926&forumId=1
satdav
gavin, ping
gavin_. ping
any ops around
Peng
satdav: What is it?
satdav
what is the url to get a cloak
Peng
Uh.
satdav
for cameron pm me the link
Peng
Hold on.
Sorry, I did see one cloak-related link once, but I can't find it now.
satdav: For whatever it's worth, the link I was thinking of was http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/freenode-cloaks but I've got no idea if that's what you want.
satdav
yes it was
Peng
Oh, good. :)
gionnico
Hello!
if I maximise firefox, its title decoration disappears
linux gnome 2.28
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