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linuxguy101
hi
anyone here alive?
i just had a comment to make i will post this on a blog as well
the firefox user interface blows big cow chunks and needs to be changed
Cork[home]
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linuxguy101
i am especially directing this to version firefox v 3.5.6
the privacy setting on the linux version has to be the worst I have ever seen a browser have on it
dolske
I'd offer to help but apparently I'm busy blowing cow chunks.
Peng
Even if I wasn't blowing cow chunks, I don't have any help to offer.
linuxguy101
the option in the history section with the three selection pull down option is pure junk
that option should be listed as one grouping of all security settings..
this is so poorly laid out and buried that average users will not find that setting and will run on the default setting which opens them up to a whole host of privacy concerns
i strongly urge the community to change this, in the future releases of firefox so that privacy is not something that your burry behind 3 hidden menues
ok
this will be posted on many tech blogs..
dolske
*plonk*
yes, do alert the forums.
linuxguy101
Sorry i had to vent here
i am sure you have heard simular complaints
Peng
I have no idea what your complaint is.
But I didn't get enough sleep.
So...maybe!
         

linuxguy101
it is the privacy setting on linux.. i have not tried the latest version of firefox on windows
Peng
"Privacy setting"?
linuxguy101
you may have allready corrected it
what ver of firefox are you running?
i am using the linux version
Peng
Firefox is largely the same across OSes.
Cork[home]
linuxguy101: are you talking about the option dialog?
or what?
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: it is the privacy history section
Cork[home]
whats wrong with it?
linuxguy101
remember i am running linux v 3.5.6
Cork[home]
doesn't matter
its the same in all oses
and 3.0 or 3.5+ not sure
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: dont you think that the little pull down selector button is very unintuitive
Cork[home]
no, not really
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: put it up for debate..
Cork[home]
it does what its suppose to do wuite well
linuxguy101
many have complained to me about it
Cork[home]
: give a simple interface for the novice
linuxguy101
maybe a note at the top for further privacy settings click here.
Cork[home]
but still keeping the complex one for the advanced
linuxguy101
i understand the seperation issue
it should be explained better to the newbies
everyone who uses the latest firefox is using the default setting because they cant find that option
i am a consultant, and that is the #1 problem with hijacking windows machines through there browser.
Cork[home]
uh, no i know many that uses, it; i've even have had some times where i've had to tell them to reset it caue it blocked functions they wanted
linuxguy101
yep..
         

Cork[home]
and a simple google will tell you exactly how you do it
*that uses it
linuxguy101
i think if they just put a little note saying . "For more privacy settings click here"
right above it would fix the problem
and also it would allow there to be a split of the functions which is also handy
Cork[home]
and would help noone; those who wants it finds it, the other won't use it anyway
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: then why have it, just cut it out compleaty and people will migrate to opera or some other open source browser that has user security in mind
Cork[home]
uh, cause then ppl couldn't use it?
linuxguy101
and guys like me will get the word out that firefox took a bath in your privacy
Cork[home]
its simple enough to find it where it is
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: for you
Cork[home]
for anyone that looks for it
linuxguy101
well, several articles have been written saying that firefox removed those settings from there latest releases
Cork[home]
there are far more complicated things to configure in firefox, that has grater inpact on privacy
i don't see the problem
linuxguy101
the person blogging about it was wrong, but this has an effect on the firefox community as a whole
when adding things to the user interface you generally dont want to burry things like security
especially in menues
Cork[home]
what menu are you taking about?`
it just simplifies the dialog if you haven't selected custom settings in the dropdown
linuxguy101
it makes the guys who write the code look shall I say below board. Or trying to cover up nessasary settings for majority of users out there to use
Cork[home]
there sin't any menu
linuxguy101
drop down click bar. I think is what they call it..
not sure what the term is
Cork[home]
just dropdown box
linuxguy101
ok
more descriptive in text before the dropdown box would be sufficiant
Cork[home]
and its quite common in guis to hide advanced settings
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: that is not an advanced setting in my book
Cork[home]
but it is to most users, and it is to the target group for firefox
linuxguy101
just because microsoft calls it an advanced setting doesnt mean firefox has to follow them
Cork[home]
its not only ms :)
look around, you will find loads of programs having simplified guis
linuxguy101
cookies and saved history settings are browser basics 101
well over simplification at the cost of security causes malware, hacking and crashes on all os's
Cork[home]
uh... you won't get malware from any of those settings...
linuxguy101
on windows???
lol
Cork[home]
you might get tracking cookies but thats it
a site can't install things on your computer just cause you allow cookies...
linuxguy101
tracking cookies are used in malware correct?
Cork[home]
no
its userd by tracking sites
not malware
linuxguy101
well without me diving into some program stuff.. the whole idea of changing those settings from the previous versions was a very poor ides
idea
most of the guys from other chat rooms agree with me on this one
including the guys from twit
Peng
I still don't know what we're talking about.
Maybe I should upgrade to 3.5. >.>
linuxguy101
Peng: ah you are using the older version that is better..
Cork[home]
Peng: he wants all the privacy options in tools > properties > privacy to be shown all the time
linuxguy101
Peng: it took a turn to the worst and needs a cource correction
Peng
Cork[home]: Which ones _aren't_ shown all the time anymore?
linuxguy101
Peng: like all of them
Peng
The entire window is blank?
linuxguy101: I imagine 3.5's other advantages outweight this.
Cork[home]
Peng: the privacy tab
custom history settings
Peng
Custom history settings? Like how long to keep the history, whether to save form history, etc.?
linuxguy101
Peng: they moved it to a drop down bar with no mention of extra settings untill you hit the bar
Cork[home]
Peng: and saving cookies and so forth
its quite a long list
linuxguy101
Peng: upgrade it and you will see that the setting were changed and burried
Peng
Huh. So what _does_ it show?
linuxguy101
Peng: i wish i could do a screen shot
and post it
Peng
I should really just install 3.5 anyway. :P
linuxguy101
Peng: are you on linux or windows?
Cork[home]
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/games/media/images/170-0000001016.jpg
Peng: ^
Peng
Oooh, interesting.
linuxguy101
Peng: that is after you click that bar
Peng
So I gathered.
linuxguy101
Peng: before there is nothing like that at all
Cork[home]
uh, no
thats after you change to custome settings
if you click the dropdown or not doesn't matter
linuxguy101
i call it buried security settings that are critical for all users
Peng
I wonder how much research was put into the change?
linuxguy101
Peng: probly not much at all, or there was another motive behind the changes
i really want to know who decided to change it and what connections they have to who..
Peng
"Another motive"?
linuxguy101
Peng: absoluty
Peng
....
Ya know, the source code, VCS and bug tracker are all public. You can probably find this out.
linuxguy101
who benifits from everyone not clearing out there cookies
Peng: oh way cool how do i get this info..
Cork[home]
http://mxr.mozilla.org
linuxguy101
thank you
now how do i track this down
Peng
http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/log/tip/browser/components/preferences/privacy.xul http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-1.9.1/rev/ffcfe2147342 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=462041 I think
linuxguy101: I used the DOM Inspector to poke the privacy pane, saw "historyGroup" and searched for it on MXR.
Cork[home]
alex huh
linuxguy101
Peng: ok.. i am totally new to tracking software reversions.
Cork[home]
http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/06/30/firefox-35-and-privacy/
there you go
Peng
Ooh.
linuxguy101
ok, love the settings, but the user interface needs a total overhaul
Peng
Blog post, good idea.
linuxguy101
i will get this up on my blog, or blogs
Cork[home]
well i found mocups my alex :)
so it was easy to find :D
*by
linuxguy101
i really think that privacy should be #1 on every browser, and not buried in the back
and why not have help file that goes to a video tutorial of the browser settings?
Cork[home]
linuxguy101: that page says the exact reasons behind the change
linuxguy101
as long as the code is small and fast and wont kill older machines performance
Cork[home]
one of firefox BIG gole is simplifying its interface
and they are doing more of that in new versions of firefox
linuxguy101
ok, why is there a diff between the windows gui and the linux gui
Peng
linuxguy101: There aren't major differences.
linuxguy101
the pull down on the settings on linux is under the edit pull down and not the tools pull down
Peng
linuxguy101: The differences that are there (such as Tools -> Options vs. Edit -> Preferences) are to better fit in with the OS conventions.
linuxguy101
Peng: i am just curious why..
Peng: ok, i wont debate you on that one
Peng
You'd have to ask Microsoft and GNOME why they made those choices. :P
linuxguy101
Peng: i am using gnome now, and...umm.... well...
lol
i am a long time kde user but had a few problems with bugs
gdaa
I have stylish and I am seeing color codes of #888 for example are these html codes where do I learn about this?
linuxguy101
and had to go to gnome
Cork[home]
gdaa: just search in google for html color code
gdaa
k
Cork[home]
gdaa: but to put it simple; its hex nuimbers [red][green][blue]
*numbers
gdaa
ok its css hex codes for color
Cork[home]
or rgb(red, green, blue) or rgba(red, green, blue, opacity)
Peng
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_model#Colors_in_web-page_design :D
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: also the bookmarks need to be changed to something better
Cork[home]
-_-'
linuxguy101: why, bookmarks is what ppl expect, and what they will be looking for
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: a better way to do it.. i have an idea but i would half to post it on a blog and do some graphics
Cork[home]
linuxguy101: you mean replace the entire thing?
O_o
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: same thing but way way way way way better
Cork[home]
including the quick star and everything >_>
i think they was right on the money if you ask me...
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: idea is to incorperate a serchable database along with the bookmarks
Peng
Searchable database? Of what?
linuxguy101
Peng: bookmarks
Cork[home]
linuxguy101: you mean like chrome, mixing search with bookmarks?
Peng
You can search your bookmarks.
linuxguy101
Cork[home]: no.. not at all
Cork[home]
then what?
linuxguy101
there is no way to explain it in irc
i half to do a paper on it.
Peng
...
Cork[home]
you can do sql querys for bookmarks, what more can there be...
linuxguy101
no way better than that
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