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gnomon
Hey, on a totally different topic - I don't follow e-d but I'm curious to know what's new with the whole Guile integration thing. Has there been any motion on that front in the last three months or so?
didi
gnomon: None that I noticed on e-d.
gnomon
Hmm, OK. Thanks, didi.
didi
gnomon: It usually only happens during GSoCs.
JordiGH
myrkraverk: http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2015-09-15
benaiah
Sketch: it worked fine, you had the wrong entry
JordiGH
"Ally of the year", hehe.
benaiah
,emacs-related Sketch
fsbot
It may not be that obvious for the layman, but Sketch is indeed emacs-related, benaiah.
         

Sketch
oh, whoops. related not relevant.
myrkraverk
JordiGH: fail to see the relevance...
JordiGH
myrkraverk: You're trying to insinuate that there is some porn out there that is better than what the porn industry produces and I presume by your endorsement that non-porn industry porn is ok by you. I think you're like Squigley who thinks he's so cool because he's just traded one porn for another.
myrkraverk
JordiGH: no, that's your misconsception.
JordiGH
myrkraverk: Then present the third and fourth hands.
didi
gnomon: Did you try it?
Sketch
JordiGH: i get all my porn from revengeporn.com, so i know it's not from the porn industry.
JordiGH
God, I hope that website doesn't exist.
Sketch
(Action) hopes sarcasm is apparent over the internet
JordiGH
Sketch: It's a bit like being sarcastic about how great genocide is. It's kind of hard to do it correctly.
taylanub
JordiGH: it fairly certainly does, along with a dozen variations, even if not under that domain name.
JordiGH
Or impossible.
myrkraverk
third hard, people who hate porn-workers, due to not being sexy or envious of some kind, but still like/watch it; fourth hand, women who like porn and the feminists who claim they don't exist.
sg2002
Ok, #emacs discussiong porn. Too bad I'm out of popcorn.
taylanub
it would be surprising if such websites didn't exist, in the current state of things
myrkraverk
sg2002: I have some gummi bears.
gnomon
didi, I have not yet, but I've been rather casually following it for a long while. I am interested in the potential performance improvements, plus an attraction towards Scheme in general, and a real interest in learning more about the implementation of elisp atop the Guile VM.
myrkraverk
there are probably several 8ch.net boards for it.
didi
taylanub: Do you know anything about recent events with Guilemacs?
taylanub
BTW I know little about the porn industry, but the bulk of porn is abhorrant on its own right if you ask me. I absolutely don't buy it that submission and domination need to be part of human sexuality, or that a certain gender is predisposed to the sort of "submission" displayed in porn.
         

myrkraverk
taylanub: so, you automatically dismiss people who do the bdsm thing in real life?
taylanub
didi: I know that bipt was pondering on how to improve on a matter involving Guile and the garbage collector
didi
gnomon: Cool.
Fuco
JordiGH: you might enjoy this: it's an educational video with a russian woman scientist explaining Einstein to a bunch of dudes... somethig I would never quite expect from russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHWFdgLEg08
didi
taylanub: Thanks. gnomon was asking about it.
Fuco
JordiGH: by the production value I judge it to be somewher efrom the 60s (also the russian is very pretty :))
(I mean the language)
myrkraverk
taylanub: and I agree with you on that there's no gender disposition of domination or submission.
taylanub
myrkraverk: no, I see it as an obscure kind of fetish which instead of being proud in and touting as something amazing, people should understand to be rooted in something essentially abhorrant, even if that doesn't mean that people who have that fetish should be discriminated. lemme use shock effect: much like pedophilia.
sg2002
Fuco: Russia is full of cranks too.
myrkraverk
taylanub: thank you for dismissing my life.
JordiGH
Fuco: Oh, thanks, sounds like fun.
taylanub
"obscure" was probably the wrong word. in any case not exactly normal, as in normative.
myrkraverk
taylanub: and a lot of people I know in the real world.
benaiah
jesus, I turn around for 5 minutes
JordiGH
Fuco: What movie is this?
benaiah
and everything goes to sh*t
ashi
myrkraverk: You'll survive.
myrkraverk
taylanub: but you see, your opinion on the matter is after all, irrelevant. people will still do and like bdsm activities.
Fuco
JordiGH: dunno, I think this is all of it. Russia produced these educational videos, like US had during the 50s
JordiGH
Hahahah, how cute.
gnomon
benaiah, at least we're not talking politics.
taylanub
myrkraverk: do whatever the hell you want in private; I'm also fine with it if someone jacks off to animated CP if they REALLY keep it to virtual stuff. if they make a culture out of it though, and when I see all of media raving about it showing it as something great and interesting, then there's something wrong there.
gnomon
benaiah, or, you know. Stouts vs IPAs, or something equally divisive.
benaiah
gnomon: meh, politics conversations are funnier
myrkraverk
taylanub: if we agree that bdsm activities are "normal" in the sence "natural but rare" then we're ok.
benaiah
taylanub: so people can express a different sexuality than yours as long as they keep it hidden?
didi
gnomon: Fill me in: What is "Stouts vs IPAs"?
benaiah
I got a real catchy name you could use for marketing
monkjan
i used to think bdsmcould be 'normal' or 'okay' but can't feel that way anymore.
benaiah
"Don't ask, don't tell"
myrkraverk
taylanub: personally, I think what we have no, is a whole lot of people riding on the 50 shades of popularity.
*now
monkjan
and i think fifty shades of grey is the best example of why.
myrkraverk
monkjan: why not?
gnomon
didi, types of beers - think "Guinness == stout", and, uh... Dogfish Head as an India Pale Ale?
taylanub
myrkraverk: "normal" in the sense that any fetish or "unusual" type of sexual arousal is normal, like (again sorry if shock effect is high) even pedophilia (to clarify a bit, I think there's in turn *too* much discrimination on that one. see virped.org and stuff.)
didi
gnomon: Ah, that easy. All beers are welcome.
JordiGH
myrkraverk: I think it's a big problem how people like Jian Ghomeshi are so convinced that what they were doing was ok.
monkjan
myrkraverk: because i think it's all rooted in psychological issues and i don't think it helps anyone to normalize it or to worse encourage it
myrkraverk
monkjan: if you talk to bdsm people, who've been into it since before the books even, you'll learn that the bdsm community hates the books in general, and calls the story what it is: abuse.
monkjan
i have
benaiah
abusive people are gonna be abusive. sure they may be attracted to bdsm because they're abusive, but saying bdsm makes people abusive is pointing the causality arrow the wrong direction, IMO
taylanub
myrkraverk: 50SOG would be a good example of people without an actual SM fetish glorifying SM, being affected by media glorifying SM, etc.
myrkraverk
JordiGH: don't know who that is.
taylanub
s/would/might/
JordiGH
myrkraverk: He brutalised women, got fired, used the kinky defense.
gnomon
did, I was hoping to bring it up as an example of a topic which some people fight viciously about, but which the larger public just seems to enjoy in its entirety, so... mission accomplished? (:
monkjan
myrkraverk: plenty of friends into the scene. all have some deep rooted psychological issues. shrug.
myrkraverk
taylanub: *nod* I think 50SOG did more harm than good, even though it kind of made bdsm mainstream.
taylanub
I'm suspecting that BDSM is the most mainstream fetish solely because people already associate sexuality with violence, and think roughly "the more violent the sex, the better." which is a disgusting thought.
myrkraverk
monkjan: ah, the people I know into it don't have deep rooted psych issues.
monkjan
myrkraverk: .. how do you know
answer: you don't
benaiah
monkjan: so only your armchair psychology diagnoses can be accepted
myrkraverk
monkjan: the people I know, well, a few of them, I know quite well.
monkjan
benaiah: wasn't my diagnosis, it was their therapists
gnomon
JordiGH, used the "kinky" defense in a way which fully highlighted why he (or rather his spin-control PR firm) had no understanding of the actual BDSM community he was trying to hide behind.
myrkraverk
monkjan: people can have issues and like bdsm, just like they can have issues and like emacs. neither need to be a cause/effect thing.
Fuco
I must note this down, just in case...
kinky defense... so awesome
myrkraverk
a lot of abusers try to hide behind the term "bdsm"
monkjan
shrug - think what you like
myrkraverk
that's no reason to demonize bdsm though.
monkjan
i just disagree
didi
,seen fledamaus
fsbot
seen fledamaus
Fuco
myrkraverk: demonizing is what humankind is known for
gnomon
didi, not fledermaus ?
ashi
This really isn't the place to launch into a practised defence of your sexual practises after *you* brought up the topic.
myrkraverk
Fuco: true.
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