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hodapp
rcs... and Wiki, and bug tracker, and kitchen sink
offby1: you using it for something?
pontiki
hi o/
nicferrier
I am flying to china, sunday night.
I'll be there for the next 6-12 months.
anyone going out there, shout me and we can have an emacs get together behind the great firewall.
hodapp
nicferrier: ttmrichter in some other channels is there
Idiot
The ac-c-headers package description is telling me to do this: http://pastebin.com/e9ftZ87T. What excactly am I supposed to do?
hodapp
not sure if he uses Emacs...
but he can help you get through the great firewall >_>
jeffguy0
In my attempts to make erc work, someone mentioned Master Emacs in One Year, which suggests using spurcell's .emacs.d. But the latter requires an Internet connection, which isn't cooperating with my company's firewall. Any advices?
nicferrier
hodapp: I don't need any help getting through the great firewall.
it's annoying but doable. they're actually quite good at it.
hodapp
oh, good
         

Idiot
nicferrier: greatfirewallofchina.org I felt like sending this link.
hodapp
what's the current mechanism?
nicferrier
hodapp: I just use a vpn over and ssh link
hodapp
SSH isn't blocked?
timthelion
nicferrier: It was amusing watching on the Docker github how baidu employees helped eachother connect via VPN. I was surprised they were so open about their subversions.
jeffguy0
I have a system outside the firewall, let spurecell's init.el download everything it wanted, copied a tarball of .emacs.d to the "protected" system, but then when I ran emacs it barfed because haskell couldn't check for package updates.
nicferrier
hodapp: ssh isn't blocked.
I also have dns vpns for emergencies.
hodapp
nicferrier: that's surprising.
nicferrier
hodapp: not really. that would stop them doing work for companies.
hodapp
nicferrier: I'd figure they'd put *some* restrictions on it, somehow.
nicferrier
the firewall is to stop the great masses from learning things
china isn't north korea.
hodapp
They should try doing what the US does. That seems to be *great* at stopping people from learning things.
nicferrier
I totally disagree with doing it... but they're not idiots. they know what they're doing.
hodapp: right ;-)
timthelion
nicferrier: isn't fox news and cnn just as effective?
(Action) liked the applause during the first Republican debate as Trump shouted "stupid"
cestdiego
lol ^^
wasamasa
jeffguy0: why exactly are you following that guide?
timthelion
In the future democracy will devolve into celebritocracy and the elections will revolve around a giant singning and dance competition.
offby1
hodapp: I'm not really using fossil, but I wanted to poke around in the source for sqlite, and _it_ uses fossil, so ...
nicferrier
no. it's all getting better. this really dumb phase is just a phase as we all learn how much we're connected.
lentils_
timthelion: sounds like you are describing the plot of idiocracy
where the president is a pornstar/wrestler/actor
         

ryouma
that was a really stupid movie but it made me realize how much like that today is
wasamasa
a movie about stupid people isn't stupid
hodapp
it was sort of a stupid movie
ryouma
that one was, but it also had an impact
JordiGH
I agree with xkcd's opinions of Idiocracy.
ryouma
i won't judge candidates by profession
hodapp
Mike Judge didn't really like how it turned out, I'd heard
ryouma
JordiGH: link
lentils_
i love that movie, actually. my friend always complained that it "promoted eugenics" (I guess it does, but I think it has a point)
JordiGH
https://xkcd.com/603/
lentils_: And what's that point?
ryouma
i think it was a stupid movie just because it was a typical stupid movie. and i'm not commenting pro or con on its treatment of eugenics, although i am con on it in general. but for a couple of weeks i'd read an economist article or something and say "yup, we live in idiocracy"
wasamasa
"I think the sky is blue just because it is blue"
ryouma
(usually re the economist, not the topic discussed)
wasamasa: not really my point but whatever :)
in other words, i wasn't commenting on its message or anything, just its movieness
wasamasa
ryouma: would you rather join the tautology club?
lentils_
I think there are is some genetic component to intelligence, maybe not significant compared to environment, but I sympathize with the sentiment in the movie. about eugenics: I don't anyone should have the right to decide what genetics are better than another
JordiGH
Oh, great, you think intelligence is genetic.
timthelion
I was actually being silly about the singing competition.
lentils_
JordiGH: you don't?
it's purely a product of your environment?
ryouma
i thought intelligence researchers were pretty consensusish on intelligence having a strong inherited component
wasamasa
ryouma: tsk, just because researchers have reached consensus on something doesn't mean you can no longer disagree
ryouma
wasamasa: true
timthelion
But here in Europe we really do have celebritocracy. There were news articles about what apparitive the Czech President drinks, and that Berlusconi guy was loved mostly for the fact that he was outrageous...
ryouma
wasamasa: and i didn't say otherwise
wasamasa
ryouma: otherwise there would be no climate deniers
ryouma
or people saying ulcers are caused by h. pylori
lentils_
timthelion: are they in power because they are celebrities? or are they celebrities because they are in power?
timthelion
lentils_: they are in power because they are celebrities.
lentils_
I guess it's hard to separate the two.
JordiGH
You idiots don't know the first thing about intelligence.
ryouma
JordiGH: make the channel more intelligent
lentils_
how do you define intelligence JordiGH ?
wasamasa
JordiGH is intelligence
dazed_and_amused
JordiGH is life
lentils_
I thought emacs was?
offby1
I just customized a list (elpy-modules) by unchecking a single item that I don't like; I then saved my customizations ... The custom code wrote out the current state of the elpy-modules variable, which is a list of _other_ items that I don't mind. This seems bad: if tomorrow forcer adds some new sexy feature to elpy that I want, I won't get it, because my choices are now frozen forever. Yes, I could re-rerun customize, but I feel I
shouldn't have to.
Comments?
fsbot
From memory, comments are [0] Never get into a LAN war in Asia ..[Type ,more]
offby1
(Action) slaps fsbot upside the haid
dazed_and_amused
poor fsbot, it didn't know any better :'(
taylanub
offby1: configure the list manually?.. as in (setq list (delete foo list))
Fuco
I find the elpy config to be a bit overkill in general. I guess you could just write elisp manually to do what you want, but that would be a lot of work too.
cube``
how can i get gnus to work with an mbsynced gmail?
JordiGH
Well, that's a valid comment.
,botsnack
fsbot
thank you!
Fuco
opt-in vs opt-out is difficult topic, and I think it depends a lot on the option it concerns
offby1
taylanub: sure, I could add something like that to my ~/.emacs ... but ... *sigh*
Fuco
making everything opt-in isn't the best choice, but is simple
offby1
Fuco: deep down I realize it's a tricky UI problem; I just like to whine
also I hate that custom.el gets rewritten apparently arbitrarily; it's hard to keep it in revision control
any system that stores data as something that looks like text, whose format ignores whitespace and order, should "canonicalize" the data before writing it out, precisely so that it's friendly to revision control
(Action) fumes
np0
What's elisp do I need to evaluate in order to list the current keybind for a given key? Emacs 24 on Windows has some really nice navigation keybindings set by default that don't work out of the box on FreeBSD. They keybinds in question are C-<up/down/left/right>. On FreeBSD, M-<left/right> have the same behavior as Windows C-<left/right>, but M-<up/down> are undefined. I much prefer the C-... variant.
What*
jlf
C-h c?
jeffguy0
wasamasa: Someone suggested it, it seemed smart to "grab an init.el from a master rather than building my own", and I'm having trouble getting erc logging working, so I'm frustrated with my own init.el as it is.
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