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Idiot
I'm looking at one of those toys right now.
Is he holding a bong?
Fuco
wtf english... why is it "We also know Paris" but "We know Paris well"... both also and well are adverbs :O
Chomsky liked to me!
lied* :D
bremner
let's like Chomsky on Facebook.
jlf
Fuco: prior to perl, larry wall was working on english
Fuco
:D damn
I'm going to write that down, is quite brilliant to explain the mess
cluck
he reportedly claimed "fu*k it, even perl makes more sense %#$&#&$%&$%"
Fuco
the "rules" are really funny though... like, if the adverb is "long enough" it becomes fluent
we silently know Paris... we know Paris silently
but We well know Paris is really bad
ryouma
we well know paris is not always bad
as you well know, fuco
Fuco
ryouma: but that's inversion
         

ryouma
you just have to read and listen to and speak a lot of any language for some things
Sketch
'we well know paris' is likely to be assumed to be bad because it's mistaken for an incorrect version of 'we will know paris'?
Fuco
I don't think you'd find many examples of well before the verb in indicative sentence
Sketch: no, it just sounds like bad english
I well play piano... nobody would say that... or "I a lot play piano"
Sketch
it sounds like something that might be used for emphasis to me
ryouma
i would well and truly rebuke you but can't be bothered
Sketch
but possibly improper ;)
Fuco
ryouma: you are still making examples which aren't the same structure
ryouma
minions?
Fuco
or consider 'also'... you can't put that at the end of the sentence normally
ryouma
(Action) getting bored
Idiot
Sometimes I think that I should just stick to an IDE, like CodeBlocks or something.
Installing CEDET somehow failed, but I followed the instructions. I think...
If I have a tar.gz file, should I unpack it with tar or gunzip?
Fuco
tar -z
Idiot
Ah.
Fuco
or just tar, it autodetects
or try untar, on some systems it works too
Idiot
I used tar xvf for some reason.
Fuco
that works too
z is for when it can't autodetect
and j is for bzip
Idiot
I guess I did that one right, then...
Now, if I want to build CEDET, should I "make EMACS=emacs" or "make clean-all && make"?
offby1
j and z are also for old people who have trouble remembering that tar autodetects
Idiot
*A wild offby1 appears!*
ryouma
huh, didn't know that
         

Idiot
To hell with CEDET. I'm going to sleep.
jlf
CEDET: n+1, noob: 0
nzst
lol
wilfredh
howdy folks
I've been a little puzzled by the following:
(define-key llvm-mode-map "\es" 'center-line)
what key is this? Any pointers to a relevant info page somewhere?
jlf
,keybindingnotation
fsbot
I think keybindingnotation is [0] in general, bind keys correctly by doing C-h c <some key combination> and using (global-set-key (kbd "<description from last step>") 'some-fn)
[1] at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/KeyBindingNotation
jlf
it's probably trying to be ESC s aka M-s
wilfredh
yep, I happily use (kbd ...) which is why I don't know what the codes are when I'm forced to read them :)
ktosiek
Hi! How would one go about loading the environment variables from a subprocess?
jlf
well, does ESC s invoke center-line?
wilfredh: the other approach of course is to let that run and then C-h w center-line when that keymap is in effect
wilfredh
neat, thanks. `C-h w` is new on me.
jlf
np.. yeah there are a few gems tucked away in C-h C-h
wilfredh
(ESC s doesn't actually invoke center-line, but llvm-mode is based on an abandoned assembly mode and I'm working on a patch to make it a better emacs citizen)
jlf
btw, (equal "\e" (kbd "ESC")) -> t
ktosiek
are there any examples of running a subprocess (preferably in a blocking way) and then working with its output?
wilfredh
oh, but (equal (kbd "M-s") "\es") => nil
that confused me.
I presume this is because you can bind `ESC x` to something different to `M-s' if you wish?
jlf
M-s is applying the modifier, whereas ESC foo gets remapped to M-foo .. (length (kbd "M-s")) -> 1
cube``
what is the "industry-standard" fill column?
jlf
mu!
offby1
mi oj Slow down, Joe; I'm a rock and roll man k l
ryouma
cube``: dunno if there is one. there are a few scattered studies out there in the context of e.g. blog columns, newspaper articles, books. reading speed or comprehension. i use 60 for monospace text, sometimes 50. some unix oldtimers spoke of a mostly arbitrary 70 for email, presumably to allow for a few levels of quoting before it got to the old punch card width of 80.
jlf
wow. windows still can't open pdf files ootb.
slugobers
with typical indentation level of 4 i use 90, otherwise comments quickly become 20 characters wide
ryouma
ah, that is for emacs. for my blog i use fewer columns. a few studies i saw said 40-50. at least one said 66. at least one said 45-75 characters.
offby1
jlf: I'd consider that to be a _good_ thing
jlf: just applied for a job; in order to fill out the application, I had to download and install Adobe reader :-|
Once I was done, I uninstalled it
(Action) shudders
ryouma
(that is, in emacs i use 60 and on my blog i use fewer)
jlf
you had to fill out an editable pdf??
fsbot
mu!
offby1
jlf: ayup
jlf: it also did some sort of weird digital signature thing, which seems lame, since it generated the keypair then and there; I have no idea how the recipient is supposed to know that it came from me as opposed to someone else
jlf
pdf2ps2org2ps2pdf
ryouma
and in rcirc i seem to use 55
jlf
ryouma: you personally have mentioned 7 different values just now, perhaps suffice it to say there is no `the "industry-standard" fill column'?
escondida
offby1: The honor system, presumably. Sort of like those idiotic "If you're an attacker reading the intended recipient's email, stop reading right now, okay???" disclaimers at the end of every clueless businessperson's email
"If only someone would invent cryptography!"
benaiah
"now that you've read this email stop reading it"
escondida
Yup
heddwch
Then we could pretend nobody's reading even though they very well could be
kurt21
How to I run the LaTeX compile command from emacs with Auctex?
Lokathor
escondida, i know a guy that works at a hedge fund and his email have a similar thing but it's all the legalese about how you can't rely on them to have actual stock results ever
benaiah
nobody actually reads anything we just happen to cluster in groups of people who write similar things
escondida
kurt21: C-c C-c
kurt21: That's also how you view the resulting file, how you do the bibTeX pass(es), etc.
Lokathor: o,0
MethylatorX
Hi
escondida
benaiah: hah
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