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mrmyers
Fuco: Well, so is everywhere really.
VimFleed`
is lisp > scheme? I heard it's much more powerful
turbofail
Fuco: i don't see how that's relevant to the question of where "most people live"
Fuco
I did something to my emacs and now font locking is all fu*ked up
wasamasa
I created a buffer ending in ^J and can't kill it with C-x k
Fuco
turbofail: because saying china is like saying "northern hemisphere"... it isn't particularly interesting answer
wasamasa
VimFleed`: well, depends on who you ask
mrmyers
VimFleed`: Well, if scheme doesn't count as a Lisp, then Lisp is more or less dead.
wasamasa
VimFleed`: everyone except CL people refers to lisp as the family of parenthetical languages
         

unver
are we talking population density? or raw count? country, continent, city, ..
wasamasa
VimFleed`: which would include scheme, CL, elisp, clojure, etc.
Fuco
unver: we are talking "where most people live"< it's up to you how you interpret it
wasamasa
VimFleed`: and then there are CL people who claim only their dialect is to be called lisp and scheme is something entirely different
Fuco
unarguably though most people live on earth
VimFleed`
wasamasa: I believe programming languages are obstract, just like math, so IMO they discussion should yeld an objective conclusion
unver
Fuco: well, we aren't certain 'people' don't live elsewhere
wasamasa
VimFleed`: you'll enjoy discussion with CLers then
turbofail
well the population of shanghai is 3 times the population of singapore
VimFleed`
wasamasa: are they objective?
wasamasa
VimFleed`: oh boy
VimFleed`: I'd call them arrogant, but I can't really do that considering I've been described as arrogant, too
turbofail
the fact that china is mostly empty space actually makes things more interesting because you can reasonably guess that they're in one of the highly populated areas
VimFleed`
wasamasa: confission time: I passed course A1 in Germany 3 months ago and I can't remember a woter
wasamasa
VimFleed`: so, yes, you can of course have reasonable discussions with them, but it's not easy to pull off
VimFleed`
in German*
parsnip
wasamasa: i have forgotten, are you a Gnus user?
wasamasa
parsnip: nope
parsnip: I'm still using mutt and newsbeuter in a terminal
VimFleed`
wasamasa: so I read stuff like if the efforts on GuileEmacs where to be moved to CL, Emacs or CLEmacs in that case will be much better, is that claim objective?
wasamasa
VimFleed`: it's misguided at best
parsnip
dang, i have some window settings i was hoping you would digest and improve ;)
nm
         

ldlework
How do you tell emacs to quit if you're using emacsclient against a server?
wasamasa
VimFleed`: they don't even have anything as advanced as guile emacs, yet keep fapping about a hypothetical CL Emacs that can do everything GNU Emacs can and more
VimFleed`
wasamasa: I'm glad to hear that the project is on the right direction
turbofail
fu*k it, let's all switch to drracket
parsnip
/eventually/ i would like to add mutt back into my workflow, once i think i'm gnu'ing well enough to try to get further in my mutt-fu
holomorph
guile emacs save us
parsnip
*gnus'ing
VimFleed`
wasamasa: I also heard that some RMS decisions are effecting GCC and Emacs (in an indirect way) is that true?
wasamasa
VimFleed`: well, judge for yourself how indirect they are
VimFleed`: http://lwn.net/Articles/582242/
VimFleed`
wasamasa: I a big fan, but it seems for me that he's taking things to far recently?
wasamasa
VimFleed`: I don't know what to make of this honestly
VimFleed`
wasamasa: my point is, as person who believe that Emacs could very will be my OS, I'd love to see stay at the very top
wasamasa
VimFleed`: on the one hand it's very cringeworthy to see how RMS is hurting the very people willing to adhere to his pleas to not use clang (then shoots them down for trying to integrate gcc into it either)
VimFleed`: on the other hand emacs and gcc are developed, no matter what drama is going on
VimFleed`
wasamasa: and I'll hate to see the project not reach it's potential because of one person, regardless who he is
very well*
regardless of who*
e1f
wait, they're integrating gcc into clang?
wasamasa
no, gcc or clang into emacs
LonelyCoder_
Hello #emacs.
wasamasa
mind the schizophrenia of emacs-devel pretending the world outside GNU ELPA and emacs core doesn't exist
VimFleed`
hey LonelyCoder_
e1f
wht does it mean to integrate a compiler into emacs?
aren't we supposed to ignore LonelyCoder_ so she stays true to her name?
wasamasa
e1f: ever used an IDE?
e1f
emacs-devel sees it more as divinity rather than an illness
wasamasa
e1f: like, xcode for objective-c or visual studio for C++?
e1f
oh i see, ok
turbofail
hm, haven't read emacs-devel in a while
wasamasa
they interact with compilers to gather semantically relevant information for the code you're working with
VimFleed`
wasamasa: I was thinking, would it be possible to develop Emacs OS?
wasamasa: it'll be something like GNU/Linux + Emacs to control the windows (WM)
tromey
yeah, rms made some bad decisions in these areas unfortunately
turbofail
is there any interesting flamage going on?
holomorph
no, just curly quotes
wasamasa
VimFleed`: well, there is exwm
holomorph
because curly quotes are emacs' biggest problem right now
wasamasa
VimFleed`: no video players or native torrent clients yet
LonelyCoder_
e1f: heheheh :3
wasamasa
VimFleed`: playing music natively also seems like a stretch
ryouma
torrent clients should be possible with an rtorrent backend or something
turbofail
lol
wasamasa
VimFleed`: no, I believe the real utility of emacs is that you can not only extend it with loads of elisp, but also wrap existing CLI software easily
turbofail
that is an awfully long thread about quote styles
wasamasa
ryouma: well, that wouldn't be native
ryouma: and boooring
holomorph
turbofail: and it's not the first& :|
ryouma
wasamasa: agree with the first, disagree with the second
wasamasa
ryouma: I mean, there are already such things
ryouma
i think an emacs torrent client would be good
wasamasa
ryouma: there isn't much you can learn from writing them
ryouma
a good one
unver
who is using torrents anymore?
ryouma
i do
wasamasa
whereas a native torrent client would be most certainly crap, but would teach you lots
LonelyCoder_
Hey guys I have vi and love Emacs *shifts eyes across room*
hate*
holomorph
you're already annoying.
ryouma
you can have your vi and keep it too
LonelyCoder_
What's the newest stable version?
VimFleed`
wasamasa: isn't lisp capable of doing these tasks (playing Music, videos .. etc?)
mrmyers
LonelyCoder_: It's alright, Jesus still loves you.
wasamasa
VimFleed`: the problem isn't lisp, it's the emacs API
LonelyCoder_
mrmyers: xD
wasamasa
VimFleed`: oh and doing it in a fast manner, duh
unver
ryouma: I never found torrents very useful other than pirating
wasamasa
VimFleed`: emacs has audio support, but it's only for synchronous wav and aiff files
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