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mrmyers
,sales-pitch
fsbot
We aren't gonna lie. Emacs sucks. Some of us tolerate it, but we can't tell you if YOU'LL be able to. Try it and make up your own mind.
wasamasa
don't worry, emacs' insides are ugly, too
kensanata
I'm trying to live with Emacs Live.
wasamasa
you don't want to know how evil-mode separates ESC from meta in terminals
jlf
is that the foss xbox game network clone??
fsbot
Ask yourself, do you really want to know?
TMitTB
"/msg alis list" shows me user counts: #vim: 1041; and #emacs: 832. . . . both have strong acceptance, I'd say.
kensanata
TMitTB: Maybe it just says that Freenode is used by nerds.
         

TMitTB
;)
wasamasa
TMitTB: keep in mind the majority never says anything
Sleep_Walker
anything
wasamasa
shush
TMitTB
nice visiting; you're a fun crowd. Cheeahs!
dude42
Hi. If I want to navigate source code on a remote machine via tramp, and I want to use ggtags to generate tags for that source code, does GNU Global need to be installed on the remote machine or can it use the local installation ?
avshalom
dude42: i don't know the answer, but i suspect it must be on the remote machine. i.e. tramp is not an NFS solution
but, if emacs can slurp in the source code, send it to a local instance of global, then send the file back, then maybe that works too
what's the expression: try it and find out ;-)
wasamasa
,tias
fsbot
Try it and see! (then tell us what you saw)
dude42
avshalom, thank you for your reply. I tried it before asking here. ggtags complained that gtags could not be found. After I installed global on the remote machine it worked. However, I was wondering whether this could be avoided since I would like to avoid installing global on every remote machine I might develop on.
That and the fact that the remote machine has an older version of global than mine in the repositories, and I can't upgrade the remote machine since it mirrors current production. That means I will have to compile it manually, though I usually prefer to use packages where possible.
Natch
perhaps you could compile a static version and copy the binary around to your systems
dude42
The documentation for both ggtags and global say they are tramp ready, not sure if that still means it needs to be installed remotely.
Thanks Natch, I will do that if I can't get the local version to work somehow.
ecraven
what library would I use to create "forms" for editing data in emacs? (something that doesn't rely on a specific backend format)
Natch
not sure what you mean, like excel sheets?
ecraven
like an html form, username: _____, password: _____
jlf
ecraven: like the M-x customize UI?
ecraven
just for more complex information (lists, dropdowns, whatnot)
jlf: that would work, yes :)
Natch
oh
ecraven
can that be used outside of customization?
jlf
i believe so yeah
         

ecraven
ok, thank you, I'll look into that :)
Natch
you can create your own customization "sheet" yes. you create a customization group which you name something and specify variables. and then let customize handle the rest
ecraven
Natch: but this is not for customization, but for editing data
jlf
try M-: (find-library "wid-edit")
ecraven
thanks :)
jlf
Natch: customize uses a generic widget library
ecraven
this is probably it :) https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/widget.html
Natch
if the data needs to be saved in a specific file then customize won't do. it will save the modifications (or data) in your init file
GeneralAltoids
So WIRED decided to write an article on the Atom editor, comparing it directly to Emacs... http://www.wired.com/2015/06/github-atoms-code-editor-nerds-take-universe/
Natch
I guess you could trick it temporarily but there's probably something better out there
jlf
Natch: ?
avshalom
who the fu*k is chris wansratch
GeneralAltoids
The choice citation: "So, in the summer of 2008, Wanstrath and started building an Emacs for the modern world, an editor that offered a way of building itself via JavaScript, the lingua franca of the worldwide web."
avshalom: CEO of Github
avshalom
i've never heard of him.
maybe he should stick to SaaS
Natch
jlf: ?
avshalom
how's atom on a text-terminal over ssh?
jlf
Natch: i already pointed out the existence of a generic widget library, why are you going on about customize?
GeneralAltoids
avshalom: SSH isn't web-scale enough to handle ATom
avshalom
(Action) mutters yiddish profanities to himself
cstls
facebook uses it, it must be the holy grail
Natch
jlf: well excuse me for wanting to finish my thought and make sure he didn't go digging into customize unnecessarily
offby1
failure is not an option!
(it's a toggle)
I hereby bequeath that joke to the channel for improvement
jlf
Natch: sorry, i was a bit rude there
offby1
ijp: get to work
jlf: I'm sorry, we don't allow civilized behavior such as apologies here
jlf
says you
offby1
(Action) kicks jlf for conduct unbecoming
we've all sworn to be rude _and_ pedantic
and by "pedantic", I mean specifically ...
Natch
jlf: no worries
aidalgol
rudybot: seen wgreenhouse
rudybot
aidalgol: wgreenhouse was seen in #emacs six hours ago, saying "(although adding away would not be difficult)", and then wgreenhouse was seen in #emacs six hours ago, saying "pontiki: lets you enter utf-8 symbols as though you were typing their TeX equivalents. e.g. you can type \lambda and get ยป"
aidalgol
durnit, which timezone is he in, again?
EST?
jlf
i think he's in PA
aidalgol
that sounds about right. ta
offby1
yeah, I keep talking to wgreenhouse about Pittsburgh --
heard about Detroit
heard about Houston
jlf
rudybot: seen you up there
rudybot
jlf: I've never seen you up there before
holomorph
y'erd
aidalgol
offby1: go on...
rudybot
(Action) moves away from the window
dalias
https://twitter.com/ieure/status/614130731770617856
offby1
I so often want to know other people's time zone, mostly so I can mock them for staying up late
dalias
why is being up late worthy of mocking? :(
offby1
dalias: I dunno
'cuz I go to be early, I guess :-|
dalias
i wouldn't be up late as often if my daughter were capable of falling asleep before 2-3 am :-p
offby1
ah, that's not mock-worthy
how old?
jlf
have you tried rubber mallet therapy?
fsmunoz
greetings
aidalgol
rudybot: That's not a sniper rifle; he's just happy to see you.
rudybot
aidalgol: Not to mention the prohibitive cost of putting a trained sniper duo on every ship
avshalom
does anyone know of a way to switch graphics format in org, depending on the type of export? e.g. png for odt, pdf for latex
i want to generate both a PDF and a Word document
tmtwd
how to kill the current buffer?
without M-x kill buffer
holomorph
what are you trying to do
tmtwd
uh, kill the current buffer and then advance to the next buffer?
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