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twb
Thai protestors are called redshirts? Oy vey.
wgreenhouse
twb: it really is following trek colors even more closely: redshirts are populists, yellowshirts are royalists/military coup supporters
it's as if the ensigns revolted against kirk
npr
twb: It's important that we get the most reductionist view possible from the media, e.g. redshirts bad, yellowshirts good. There's no room to discuss or even mention positions anymore.
twb
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior:The_Elements/Nitrogen let's teach kids to handle liquid nitrogen with bare hands!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Temple is what sydney opera house should've looked like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_Faith_in_India#Lotus_Temple_arrests
rudybot
http://teensy.info/Aa4YuGbvIb
twb
Let's lock the blasters and hope they don't have doors.
technomancy
twb: plus the thai calendar is like 300 years ahead of ours, so it really feels like you live in a trek episode
except not replicators =(
twb
can you make a baby in a star trek replicator
technomancy
they basically did the kryptonite thing
         

twb
huh
technomancy
all-powerful, except not really
twb
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Replicator
"can't make organic material"
And yet it can make a sammic
bremner
in the future everyone eats GMOs
twb
I get the feeling they're using "organic" in a pretty iffy way
bremner
unlike me.
twb
I mean doesn't that exclude household cleaning products
bremner
Ship, refill my lighter with butane.
technomancy
it's pretty silly; basically they just introduce limitations as needed in order not to make the replicator invalidate convenient plot points
same with the holodeck
twb
What you mean is they failed to worldbuild
bremner
failed worldbuilders are probably more fun at parties.
twb
Let's put a boot in the coal scuttle
bremner
hmm. Imagine you have a group of people communicating by email, and they need to choose a random number. Other than just trusting one of them to roll some dice, are there any better approaches?
and no, ,,forcer-fix doesn't work here
fsbot
whoops, Possible overly long search. Bailing.
bremner
no u
twb
bremner: if they do many many numbers, you can test their randomness
ryouma
really? what if you apply those tests to crypttext?
can you combine all of them together into a hash or something?
twb
ryouma: you mean like that authentication plane thing
bremner: oh, is this just one random number they all share?
bremner
twb: right
twb
is it a semiprime
         

bremner
nfi
twb
What is the threat model
is the number a secret?
bremner
no. the number can be public
the threat model is that evil committee chair just does what he wants and claims that is what the dice said
twb
bremner: so you are not worried about mITM?
bremner: each of you chooses a random number and publishes it. "the" random number is the product of each vote
ryouma
can you detect collusion?
how about playing "the telephone game"?
bremner
twb: we have a good gpg WoT
twb
ryouma: what does hitting grannies with telephones from the sidecar of a BSA motorbike achieve
bremner
fun?
ryouma
,bsa
fsbot
BSA -- [0] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Business_Software_Alliance
[1] the militant arm of the closed-source software community.,
[2] the Broadcasting Standards Authority in New Zealand
ryouma
bremner: do you know the solution?
bremner
no, I was just curious. It seemed like an interesting puzzle.
and a real practical problem.
which I will solve by assuming I am not evil.
twb
more fool you
bremner
inorite
ryouma
well, anybody can take any proposed number and xor with a random number, right? each person wants a random number, right?
bremner
(Action) waits for Google job offer
twb
I saw once this shopping mall that had closed down. And it had filled with rainwater. And locals had put fish in it, and now it was a kind of four-story lake
ryouma
but you don't know if anybody else is just making up a number
bremner
ryouma: it's a kind of distributed election problem where we want to agree on a number
twb
bremner: doesn't taking the product of all votes work?
bremner: because to game it you need to know what a lot of other votes will be
I guess if you don't hold the votes, the last voter can still game it
bremner
twb: last person chooses though
yeah
ryouma
escrow?
twb
ryouma: they don't trust each other
ryouma
but aren't there escrow algorithms?
bremner
yeah, or vote holder votes publicly,
twb
bremner: you could all cast votes with encryption, *then* publish the keys
bremner
and does the escrow.
twb: right, that sounds plausible. If a bit painful.
funny how that goes together.
twb
ok how about this
you ask superman to give you a random number
he flies to every house and personally tells them
bremner
umm. Is this heading towards faith-based distributed computing?
ryouma
the bush administration funded that one, no doubt
bremner
hey now, soon it will be King Bush III
loke
bremner: How could it?
bremner: I thought Trump was running?
bremner
loke: Trump only wins at Hearts.
loke
Clearly Trump will have no problems winning this thing
After all, the other candidates aren't fit to clean his shoes
bremner
those are some shiny shoes.
loke
I know right?
bremner
,lori-anderson-fix
fsbot
What a COINCIDENCE! I'm an authorized ``SNOOTS OF THE STARS'' dealer!!
bremner
,laurie-anderson-fix
fsbot
I met this guy and he looked like he might have been a hat check clerk at an ice rink. Which in fact he turned out to be. Most problems can be solved by letting X=X.
bremner
phew.
twb
"In the subsequent restructuring of these two events Trump had eliminated a large portion of his $900 million personal debt by 1994^[142] and reduced significantly his nearly $3.5 billion in business debt."
"The last [(fourth)] corporate bankruptcy occurred in 2009"
This doesn't sound like someone who should be in charge of anything.
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