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holomorph
tali713: http://ix.io/lnJ
^elyse^
what is powerline good for?
holomorph
tali713: oh, i'm an idiot. i had the patch commented out in my build script
^elyse^
I've looked at it and it seems like a huge hassle to install without having any actual benefits
elarson
^elyse^: telling people that use vim that emacs has powerline too ;)
holomorph
maybe i should just run/install emacs locally if i'm doing this kind of thing :/
^elyse^
other than it "looking cool" (if I cared about that I'd be using Sublime Text, no? :P)
johnw
^elyse^: it's there to look cool
^elyse^
meh
         

wgreenhouse
^elyse^: thedefault mode line annoys a lot of people and is kind of cryptic to customize, so ppl want alternatives
belak
tali713: I think I'll end up extracting some of the powerline tools and just using those
elarson
^elyse^: smart mode line can be helpful, but I found it did some wonky stuff on osx
johnw
it all comes down to modifying mode-line-format
^elyse^
I'm fine with the defaults :)
if I forget what something means I mouseover it and get a tooltip
cajetanus
emacs modeline is one of the best features of this fine software
wgreenhouse
johnw: and/or global-mode-string, etc. the interacttions can get nonobvious
johnw
yeah, mode-line-format is hierarchical in the end
holomorph
things that modify global-mode-string don't clean up after themselves.. like display-time-mode
nzst
ugh, we have to fill out a skillsheet matrix which is biased on the what skills are on there level and the fact that everyone can see everyone elses input. of course the guy who wrote it, who couldn't give two fu*ks about infrastructure development, lumps everything into servers: *nix, unicorn, nginx, DNS, hosting
johnw
i keep meaning to craft a better mode-line-format for myself, but it keeps staying on my todo list
nzst
we have a whole puppet pipeline!
johnw
nzst: you work at Jim Henson studios?
cajetanus
holomorph: mode-line-position works just fine
johnw
oh, that would be a muppet pipeline
nzst
get it straight :)
lol
tali713
johnw: I hear you, I also want a better mode-line, but the default is adequate so I can't justify pushing it up the queue.
johnw
yep
i don't need half of what's displayed, but figuring out how to compatibly stop it from being displayed is non-trivial
cajetanus
johnw
Org-mode especially does some things that make assumptions
         

cajetanus
that is an example how to change modeline
wgreenhouse
stumpwm's emulation of the emacs mode-line has us beat in two interesting respects; you can put it on top and you can have it be multiple lines (by simply feeding it a string including a newline)
belak
Is there a simple way to determine if the current buffer is active?
Er, current window
cajetanus
belak: err, the current buffer is by definition active
if it's current, you are using it, so it's active
what do you mean by "active"?
belak
cajetanus: I'm trying to write some modeline utils... and I need to select a face for the modeline text depending on if the window is active.
benaiah
morning, #emacs
cmhobbs
hidey ho
cajetanus
benaiah: err, it's 21:36 here, hardly morning -
wgreenhouse
benaiah: the mode-line already does this; see `mode-line' face vs `mode-line-inactive; face
tali713
belak: that's by default, `mode-line-inactive' face
wgreenhouse
er belak ^
benaiah
cajetanus: hey I had a brunch so my morning is gonna last until 7pm
wgreenhouse
cajetanus: on irc it's always morning when a new person connects and night when they leave
cajetanus
wgreenhouse: o, so #emacs has its own timezone....
benaiah
cajetanus: also I must be a ways west of you
cajetanus: it's like the wardrobe in narnia. time passes differently here.
wgreenhouse
cajetanus: irc in general :)
cajetanus
"what happens in #emacs stays in #emacs" is really true!
belak
Ah, there were workarounds for powerline that were still here
I got it
cajetanus
Damn I hate node.js
tali713
irc standard time.
belak
I feel like I should extract some of the powerline modeline utils into their own package
cajetanus
sorry, gotta rant over in #node see you later
belak
cajetanus: have fun
tali713
cajetanus: don't get banned.
benaiah
(Action) doesn't understand why weechat stops highlighting everything on the inactive side of a window split
Fuco
oh man I landed in that part of youtube again... venezuelan teen sitcoms :O
holomorph
could be worse
Fuco
I'm not quite sure you know
belak
How hard is it to make an emacs package?
Fuco
not very hard
,package
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belak
Fuco: how the hell did you ever end up at venezuelan teen sitcoms?
Fuco
belak: well that's the point, I have no idea
belak
Fuco: I mean, it sounds like this has happened multiple times.
Fuco
I get very weird suggestions on youtube
I watch stuff in ~15 languages, it must be totally confused
belak
Fair enough
aidalgol
wgreenhouse: NZ is now a TPP signatory. :(
offby1
something to do with toilet paper?
wgreenhouse
aidalgol: I'm now counting on the rudderless congressional republicans to screw up the vote
Fuco
offby1: beware, your american ignorance shows!
aidalgol
wgreenhouse: Vote on what?
wgreenhouse
aidalgol: ratifying the tpp. we've signed it but that's ineffective without a y/n vote in congress
not sure if that distinction between signing and ratifying exists for nz
aidalgol
wgreenhouse: Does this help other countries?
it does
Parliament has to actually pass an Act to ratify it.
Although the way things have been going, that's almost a dead cert.
wgreenhouse
aidalgol: it's not a very interesting trade bloc if it has neither the us nor china is in it. and if the us balks japan would too
house of cards could still crash
Fuco
I wonder who came up with the idea that since one party is obviously bad, two is somehow optimal
aidalgol
Fuco: makes politics like a spectator sport
tali713
Fuco: that's how you do sports.
Fuco
last elections we had 40+ parties... of course only 5 or so are relevant
offby1
Fuco: I know what the letters stand for, and have the vaguest notion of what it is -- but that's all
tali713
Fuco: you might be under the mistaken impression that representative democracy is about having a government that is representative of the electoral base. Obviously it's just a way to prevent those pesky revolutions from building up steamm.
wgreenhouse
Fuco: same idiots who operate trials on the basis that two sides with motive to lie attacking each other is a path to empirical accuracy
offby1
Fuco: I don't think anyone decided that two is the correct number of parties; I think instead that number evolves from the "first-past-the-post" election system that we have in the US
tali713
offby1: as a cynic, I'd say it is yet another agreement with the primary goal of placing multinational corporations above governments in terms of political power.
offby1
tali713: you could say that, I suppose. But you'd have very little evidence
However, I shall blather no more on this subject, lest I be forced to kickban myself
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