tali713: http://ix.io/lnJ

what is powerline good for?

tali713: oh, i'm an idiot. i had the patch commented out in my build script

I've looked at it and it seems like a huge hassle to install without having any actual benefits

^elyse^: telling people that use vim that emacs has powerline too ;)

maybe i should just run/install emacs locally if i'm doing this kind of thing :/

other than it "looking cool" (if I cared about that I'd be using Sublime Text, no? :P)

^elyse^: it's there to look cool

meh

^elyse^: thedefault mode line annoys a lot of people and is kind of cryptic to customize, so ppl want alternatives

tali713: I think I'll end up extracting some of the powerline tools and just using those

^elyse^: smart mode line can be helpful, but I found it did some wonky stuff on osx

it all comes down to modifying mode-line-format

I'm fine with the defaults :)
if I forget what something means I mouseover it and get a tooltip

emacs modeline is one of the best features of this fine software

johnw: and/or global-mode-string, etc. the interacttions can get nonobvious

yeah, mode-line-format is hierarchical in the end

things that modify global-mode-string don't clean up after themselves.. like display-time-mode

ugh, we have to fill out a skillsheet matrix which is biased on the what skills are on there level and the fact that everyone can see everyone elses input. of course the guy who wrote it, who couldn't give two fu*ks about infrastructure development, lumps everything into servers: *nix, unicorn, nginx, DNS, hosting

i keep meaning to craft a better mode-line-format for myself, but it keeps staying on my todo list

we have a whole puppet pipeline!

nzst: you work at Jim Henson studios?

holomorph: mode-line-position works just fine

oh, that would be a muppet pipeline

get it straight :)
lol

johnw: I hear you, I also want a better mode-line, but the default is adequate so I can't justify pushing it up the queue.

yep
i don't need half of what's displayed, but figuring out how to compatibly stop it from being displayed is non-trivial

Org-mode especially does some things that make assumptions

that is an example how to change modeline

stumpwm's emulation of the emacs mode-line has us beat in two interesting respects; you can put it on top and you can have it be multiple lines (by simply feeding it a string including a newline)

Is there a simple way to determine if the current buffer is active?
Er, current window

belak: err, the current buffer is by definition active
if it's current, you are using it, so it's active
what do you mean by "active"?

cajetanus: I'm trying to write some modeline utils... and I need to select a face for the modeline text depending on if the window is active.

morning, #emacs

hidey ho

benaiah: err, it's 21:36 here, hardly morning -

benaiah: the mode-line already does this; see `mode-line' face vs `mode-line-inactive; face

belak: that's by default, `mode-line-inactive' face

er belak ^

cajetanus: hey I had a brunch so my morning is gonna last until 7pm

cajetanus: on irc it's always morning when a new person connects and night when they leave

wgreenhouse: o, so #emacs has its own timezone....

cajetanus: also I must be a ways west of you
cajetanus: it's like the wardrobe in narnia. time passes differently here.

cajetanus: irc in general :)

"what happens in #emacs stays in #emacs" is really true!

Ah, there were workarounds for powerline that were still here
I got it

Damn I hate node.js

irc standard time.

I feel like I should extract some of the powerline modeline utils into their own package

sorry, gotta rant over in #node see you later

cajetanus: have fun

cajetanus: don't get banned.

(Action) doesn't understand why weechat stops highlighting everything on the inactive side of a window split

oh man I landed in that part of youtube again... venezuelan teen sitcoms :O

could be worse

I'm not quite sure you know

How hard is it to make an emacs package?

not very hard
,package

[->] elpa: [0] the Emacs Lisp Package Archive, the default software repository for package.el the elisp package manager officially adopted for inclusion in gnu emacs 24 (distributes only free software)
[1] http://emacswiki.org/emacs/ELPA for details, including how to install in 23 ..[Type ,more]

Fuco: how the hell did you ever end up at venezuelan teen sitcoms?

belak: well that's the point, I have no idea

Fuco: I mean, it sounds like this has happened multiple times.

I get very weird suggestions on youtube
I watch stuff in ~15 languages, it must be totally confused

Fair enough

wgreenhouse: NZ is now a TPP signatory. :(

something to do with toilet paper?

aidalgol: I'm now counting on the rudderless congressional republicans to screw up the vote

offby1: beware, your american ignorance shows!

wgreenhouse: Vote on what?

aidalgol: ratifying the tpp. we've signed it but that's ineffective without a y/n vote in congress
not sure if that distinction between signing and ratifying exists for nz

wgreenhouse: Does this help other countries?
it does
Parliament has to actually pass an Act to ratify it.
Although the way things have been going, that's almost a dead cert.

aidalgol: it's not a very interesting trade bloc if it has neither the us nor china is in it. and if the us balks japan would too
house of cards could still crash

I wonder who came up with the idea that since one party is obviously bad, two is somehow optimal

Fuco: makes politics like a spectator sport

Fuco: that's how you do sports.

last elections we had 40+ parties... of course only 5 or so are relevant

Fuco: I know what the letters stand for, and have the vaguest notion of what it is -- but that's all

Fuco: you might be under the mistaken impression that representative democracy is about having a government that is representative of the electoral base. Obviously it's just a way to prevent those pesky revolutions from building up steamm.

Fuco: same idiots who operate trials on the basis that two sides with motive to lie attacking each other is a path to empirical accuracy

Fuco: I don't think anyone decided that two is the correct number of parties; I think instead that number evolves from the "first-past-the-post" election system that we have in the US

offby1: as a cynic, I'd say it is yet another agreement with the primary goal of placing multinational corporations above governments in terms of political power.

tali713: you could say that, I suppose. But you'd have very little evidence
However, I shall blather no more on this subject, lest I be forced to kickban myself