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bremner
,aquamacs
fsbot
[->] I heard AquamacsEmacs is [0] an Emacs for Mac OS X, see http://emacswiki.org/wiki/AquamacsEmacs
[1] making Emacs behave like a typical Mac OS X application, ie. it usually confuses Emacs users from other systems,
[2] for alternatives see -> emacsformacosx, ..[Type ,more]
bremner
aria42: did you try ,,emacsforosx
fsbot
bremner: your comments make Derek Smart's look rather normal and nice
bremner
sigh, ,,emacsformacosx
fsbot
emacsformacosx is, like, [0] http://emacsformacosx.com/
[1] see emacs 23 mac port ftp://ftp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp/emacs/,
[2] sudo apt-get build-dep emacs23 and build from source,
[3] Aquamacs
technomancy
,forget emacsformacosx 3
fsbot
Removed entry 3 of emacsformacosx
bremner
if only it were that easy,
         

__yhvh__
How do I report a bug if emacs is crashing even when I'm sending the bug report?
jlf
__yhvh__: have you tried ,,-q ?
fsbot
-q is, like, if you start emacs with "emacs -q" and the problem goes away, it's YOUR FAULT; check your .emacs. If "emacs -q" has problems and "emacs -Q" does not, it's caused by your distro or local admin.
__yhvh__
ok will do, I'm on windows any difference?
jlf
probably
krl
write-region actually hangs emacs trying to write to a fifo, known issue?
unix filesystem fifo that is.
legumbre
krl: probably because no one is reading the fifo?
krl: try cat /path/to/fifo
krl
legumbre: ah. i was not aware of this behaviour. thanks
any way to do async writes?
legumbre
I don't think so
krl
pretty dangerous then. i have no guarantee that it's being read
__yhvh__
thanks guys, old auto-set erc settings were fu*kin sh*t up
legumbre
krl: ugliest hack but, what about redirecting netcat? ie, launch nc -l -p 2001 > /path/to/fifo and then open a connection from emacs?
krl
legumbre: i think i'll settle for writing a temp file, and then using async shell-command to cat that one to the fifo
slightly less ugly (maybe) :)
legumbre
(Action) nods
Sketch
Let's all get plastic surgery.
http://www.viruscomix.com/page375.html
damd
let's fail at life and teach programming
legumbre
let's join the Cyber Command
so we can md5 stuff
locklace
the first part of the special training must be how to say "cyber" anything and keep a straight face
legumbre
MOTOKOOOO
thunk
I can say "Cyberiad" with a straight face.
Maybe that's the exception that proves the rule.
         

araujo
how to run a shell from emacs??
fsbot
I'm telling you, you don't want to know.
dim
araujo: a shell or a terminal?
M-x shell, M-x eshell are offering shells, M-x term a terminal
sako
what command cancels everything/
like if i hit C-x and i wanna cancel out
dim
C-g runs the command keyboard-quit
araujo
dim, mm... ok, let's see
rirombo
I'm trying to bind a key for VM to scroll the message one line. I tried (define-key vm-mode-map (kbd "RET") (lambda () (vm-scroll-message 1))), but I get an error that (lambda ...) is wrong type of argument, as it expects a command.
What is the standard way of handling this? Do I need to define an interactive function instead? Or just make the lambda function interactive?
Or is there a more concise way?
That should be vm-scroll-forward..
quotemstr
Man, it's hot in Seattle.
jlf`
rirombo: try (lambda () (interactive) (vm-scroll-message 1)) instead
hot..in seattle??
fsbot
mu!
sako
how can i set something to C-x f
(global-set-key [(control x) f] 'ido-choose-from-recent)
that doesnt look right :P
cvandusen
It's 85F in Dallas in July. The earth has flipped its axis, I tell ya!
quotemstr
That's, what, 40F below average? :-)
jlf`
70F in the bay area
sako: try (global-set-key (kbd "C-x f") 'ido-choose-from-recent)
quotemstr
Dammit, we have a bay too. And the water is colder.
Why aren't we cooled off?!
cvandusen
quotemstr: that's about right. I was going to make fried rice on the sidewalk, but not now...
jlf`
i blame the overclockers
sako
jlf`: thank you
is there a way to do it like (global-set-key [(control x) f] 'ido-choose-from-recent)
quotemstr
There's not even any rain in the forecast.
sako
with that syntax [( )]
quotemstr
sako: ?f
cvandusen
no rain in seattle. now _that_ is freakish
quotemstr
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=seattle,wa
Wow.
Look at how varied the temperatures are within a small geographic area.
http://fwix.com/seattle/share/b499cd3374/mel_gibson_repressing_washington_state_home_values
sako
is there some way to recompile emacs
er
i guess restart without closing and starting up
like if i make changes to init.el
jlf`
M-x load-file
sako
http://gist.github.com/471132
can someone help me debug that?
for some reason i open a file and then kill it
and it doesnt have it in the list..
quotemstr
sako: Did you use find-file to open it?
recentf doesn't do anything until you exit Emacs.
In a running instance, the normal history variables do the work.
e1f
http://s547.photobucket.com/albums/hh453/dailycomicsreview/2010/daily%20reviews/July/7-8/?action=view¤t=bignate.jpg
anyone watch the show 'QI' on a regular basis? i am wondering if they ever did a show on a subject you knew everything about and nothing that was revealed on the show surprised you
have have watched 3 episodes and have learned something new in all of them; however the subkect has always been nature or the natural sciences
my ignorance is limitless in that area
last night one of the topics was giraffes and the reason they have long necks is not to reach the leaves on tall trees, but for fighting
cvandusen
fighting horses on the roof of two-story buildings?
e1f
most of the episodes are available on youtube
what does that mean
oh
cvandusen
who's going to fight a giraffe?
e1f
giraffes fighting other giraffes for mates
i'm sure there's a youtube video of giraffe's fighting
cvandusen
their necks are long because of that?
or, for that?
e1f
it's quite a sight to see
cvandusen
I can fight, and I have a puny neck.
or maybe I only _think_ I can fight
e1f
i'm 99% certain you're not a giraffe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7HCIGFdBt8
cvandusen
no alien party hat on my head. definitely not giraffe
e1f
i suppose i am as surprised at this is an average user is at something a computer can do but that we take for granted
quotemstr
It's amazing how much Perl MS uses internally.
e1f
as amazing as seeing two giraffes fighting?
quotemstr
It's the same in many ways.
e1f
or perhaps it's a camel fighting a giraffe
sako
quotemstr: i tried restarting emacs
same issue
and i did use find-file to open the file and then closed it
e1f
the octopus picked spain to win the world cup
literal
clever octopus
e1f
it's never been wrong so far
Sketch
obviously, it's psychic^Wclairvoyant
quotemstr
We were discussing the octopus at work the other day.
My take is that the octopus is a Clever Hans,
Sketch
Clever Paul
quotemstr
Is that its name?
Sketch
apparently
literal
Paul is its name, don't know if they call him Clever Paul, though
Sketch
<kodein> mtk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_octopus
no, but perhaps they should
legumbre
ffs
literal
11 out of 13
sako
quotemstr: you know why the function here wouldnt be working? http://gist.github.com/471132
quotemstr
*sigH*
Why is organizing my socks taking O(N^2) time?
sako: I dunno.
e1f
why do you need to organize your socks
jlf`
quotemstr: if all your socks are identical you can make it O(1)
e1f
are they different sizes?
quotemstr
I like to pair my socks.
e1f
just pick two socks and wear them
quotemstr
Actually, I can perform a radix-like sort first to bring time down to O(N), but that requires a space overhead that's a PITA.
cvandusen
one-legged people have got it so easy
Sketch
this is why you buy identical socks
jlf`
good idea
quotemstr
The algorithm involves sorting socks into categories based on characteristics (say, color of the toe, length, etc.), then sub-sorting the categories until we're left with only a few socks we can compare directly.
e1f
this is why microsoft is losing
quotemstr
e1f: ... socks?
ggole
quotemstr: solution: buy only two colours of socks, each colour all of the same size. 1-bit radix sort is pretty fast.
Sketch
e1f: they don't have a good sock-sorting algorithm?
legumbre
sako: doesn't ido support virtual-buffers now? a la iswitchb?
e1f
everything has to be made more complex than it actually is
quotemstr
ggole: Backwards compatibility. I already have many different kinds of sock.
legumbre
,g ido virtual buffers recentf
fsbot
[google] http://emacsblog.org/2007/04/24/package-faves-iswitchb/
http://github.com/wh5a/arch/blob/master/.emacs
e1f
does your underwear have to match your socks?
Sketch
ah, so backwards compatibility is the real reaosn MS is losing
e1f
yeah, that too
quotemstr
http://www.jacksofscience.com/math/optimizing-my-morning-sock-search-algorithm/
Hah!
Apparently some people *call* radix-sort a "sock sort"
cvandusen
sako: what about the function is not working?
sako
cvandusen: i just removed it.. i dont think i need it anyway
too much fo a hassle getting it working
also this is weird.. i have ido and when i do C-x C-f it automatically has ~/Emacs[.emacs.d/]
why is that?
e1f
did you start emacs in that dir
sako
hmm
i see...
well i am using a mac... so it is the Emac.app/ folder
cvandusen
sako: did you start with -Q?
sako
ah nice
so i started with -Q now it gives me ~/Welcome [No match]
how do i get rid of the Welcome and start typing?
the cursor starts at the W
jlf`
is this aquamacs?
cvandusen
you should be able to start typing
sako
no
Emacs 24.
cvandusen
(Action) puts his gun away
sako
lol
e1f
the emacs devel thread is about attracting new users not attractive users
i think we should attract attractive users
cvandusen
they need to rethink their priorities
quotemstr
(Action) looks himself over and says, "done".
sako
so heres the issue... i start typing say emacs.d it does ... emacs.dWelcome
cvandusen
it reminds me of the threads in various lisp forums ("How can we get new blood?")
sako
is there a way to have the Welcome disappear when i start typing/
cvandusen
sako: try typing /
jlf`
sako: how are you launching emacs?
sako
emacs -Q
ggole
sako: why -Q?
sako
someone just said -Q would get rid of the folder i start up emacs from
so when i hit C-x C-f it now shows me ~/Welcome [no matches]
ggole
What -Q does is remove the startup files
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