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sword
Don't you focus on a specific segment of time?
jordanb
I don't think you have to for a BA
jlf
holy crap errors were detected in my computer's registry, hkey something something class root something something
jordanb
I got a minor in history, it was just like, so many hours of history classes, so I picked the ones that looked interesting. They were all over the place.
JordiGH
I just had to do a silly online interview questions.
jlf
my linux system might be hosed
please advise
JordiGH
They were of type "here's an array, perform some silly operations on it, use language of choice."
I ended up doing them in Python instead of Perl. I couldn't think right away of how to do them in Perl. I think I'll have to reevaluate my opinion that I like Perl better than Python.
jordanb
So you used APL?
vadi
Is there a specific channel for Emacs Lisp?
         

ashawley
this is it
cvandusen
despite all evidence to the contrary
JordiGH
vadi: Sorry for the offtopic
vadi
How to bound a variable to a function?
jordanb
You should have just written some weird characters and then *said* it was APL.
How are they gonna know?
JordiGH
vadi: deffun?
vadi
JordiGH, that defines a function not bound a variable to a function
ashawley
(setq var 'fun)
(funcall 'var ...)
Odin-
sword: Not really. My final essay was on conflict theories of state and their application to Icelandic history. That covers ... 1000 years, give or take a couple decades... :p
vadi
thanks ashawley
jordanb
Iceland got in fights not over fish?
ashawley
vadi: sorry (funcall var ...)
technomancy
vadi: that's going to be awkward to do in elisp, since its functions aren't really first-class
vadi
ack
technomancy, I am going to use (defun instead of (funcall ?
technomancy
vadi: they're not really similar
vadi: defun is for definition-time for regular functions, funcall is for call-time on functions-in-variables
vadi
thanks technomancy
ashawley
but if you're hardcore, one can us `fset'
s/us/use/
vadi
trying
ashawley
vadi: i was just kidding.
vadi
ashawley, no problem. I am messing with this lisp yet :)
         

kprav33n
I want access to the a latest (not more than a month old) tarball of Emacs trunk.
I don't want to use bzr.
Does anyone know where the tarballs are hosted?
technomancy
,git
fsbot
git is [0] a dVCS, notable for its speed: <http://git.or.cz/>, <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/Git> and #git
[1] see magit,
[2] a LISP derivative (S. J. Turnbull),
[3] emacs available under git: git://repo.or.cz/emacs.git
kprav33n
Cool!
technomancy
see 3
kprav33n
I love git!
technomancy, Is it up to date?
technomancy
I think so
kprav33n
savannah.gnu.org says that "For developer access, read these instructions. Note that the CVS and Git repositories are not up-to-date. "
Maybe it is talking about the savannah git repository.
Thanks technomancy. I'll try this out.
turbofail
the repo.or.cz one is an independent mirror... it gets updated pretty often
kprav33n
turbofail, Cool!
Just curious! Anyone running Emacs off of the trunk?
cvandusen
kprav33n: aye
kprav33n
Any heads up?
Also is there any pointer on what's new in 24?
turbofail
best to look on the mailing list for that sort of thing
kprav33n
Okay!
cvandusen
IIRC, a notification system will be included (among other things)
kprav33n
Great!
disturb
hi folks
I'm rewriting some of my keybindings, and I was wondering if it's best to use (define-key global-map ...) or (global-set-key ...)
JordiGH
(Action) uses the latter for no good reason that it's worked so far.
disturb
Oh I think I get the difference, the first will override anything else, while global-set-key will let minor modes bypass it
If anyone can confirm or correct me...
sword
The global map is always overriden by minor or major mode keymaps
turbofail
the only difference between global-set-key and (define-key global-map ...) is that the variable global-map might not always be the global map
disturb
turbofail: yeah so it's just a more generic function..?
sword
There's no effective difference in the commands for this purpose
global-set-key is an interacive version
turbofail
it's not more generic, it's just correct... if you called (define-key (current-global-map) ...) that would be entirely identical to global-set-key
well, minus the interactive part
ggole
define-key is more generic, though.
shabble
,backups
fsbot
[->] I heard backup is [0] (setq backup-directory-alist '(("." . ".~"))) to keep backups out of the way in a .~/ directory
[1] (setq backup-directory-alist (list (cons ".*" (expand-file-name "~/.emacsbackup/")))) for a more elaborate setup., ..[Type ,more]
shabble
,m
fsbot
[2] trying to get rid backup files from your working directory? you probably want to remove autosave files too - see AutoSave.,
[3] (setq make-backup-files nil) to stop backups from being made,
[4] (info "(emacs)Backup"),
[5] For GNU: See dirvish, rsnapshot or rdiff-backup, ..[Type ,more]
jlf
let's implement infinite state machines
we'll make a bundle!
rgr
bloody Seth Rogen is in more junk than Will Ferrell. Why and how.
pleae, what is with all this pithy "Let's" nonsense?
jlf
let's not look too deeply into these things
rgr
let's get bored
technomancy
rgr: we're seeding rudybot's quotes database.
rgr
aha
is there some docs on how to make them relevant to other rudybot "AI"?
technomancy
rudybot: quote
rudybot
technomancy: Let's become arc programmers.
technomancy
heh.
rgr: I think it's just lines that starts with "Let's"
jlf
rudybot: that one struck a chord with me
rudybot
jlf: a chord.
technomancy
possibly "I'll" as well?
"I'll $X your $Y"?
JordiGH
Javagirl giggled like a schoolgirl when she learned my maternal surname.
Now I can't tell again if she's flirting with me or not.
delcoyote
give her your phone number
JordiGH
,t8 es en hermoso
fsbot
beautiful
JordiGH
http://jordi.platinum.linux.pl/piccies/matricksy.png
rgr
flirting online is SO 90s.
ggole
Isn't Jordigh married? :/
jlf
don't think so
kprav33n
I have compiled Emacs 23.2 from source.
When I load tramp mode, my Emacs becomes unresponsive.
I have the same issue with the trunk as well.
Anyone faced similar issue?
srbaker
technomancy: what kind of battery life do you get on your x200?
cory doctorow is sayng like 5hrs
technomancy
srbaker: 5 hours going full throttle on the 9-cell
6 or 7 with wifi/3g off and the screen turned down
srbaker
okay. that's not bad then
is ther a 3g modem included?
technomancy
srbaker: no... I should say when it's powering my N1
srbaker
ah
technomancy
which is a more costly drain than a regular 3g modem, probably
I have a 4-cell I use when I'm at home, which makes the whole thing pretty featherweight.
the 9-cell weights almost as much as the laptop without it
srbaker: did you manage to snag a high-res x200?
srbaker
technomancy: not yet. but i'm not buying until i can find one
today i'm trying to solve some weird environment problems
technomancy
WXGA is pretty lame =\
srbaker
for instance, why are fonts non-ass by default on ubuntu?
why are they ass by default on debian?
how do i get non-ass fonts on debian? why is this not standard?
etc, etc.
bremner
because debian is too cool to care about fonts
technomancy
a question for the ages
bremner
(actually, I have no idea what you mean by "fonts by default in debian")
technomancy
anyone familiar with mumble? (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/) wondering if it'd be suitable for remote pair programmaring...
we use skype right now, which is sad-facey.
bremner
technomancy: jingle no good?
technomancy
bremner: I'm not familiar
bremner
google talk = jingle, basically
technomancy
bremner: neither is apt-cache, unfortunately
kprav33n
When I load tramp, my Emacs 23.2 and trunk hangs. This is on OpenSolaris.
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/TrampMode
bremner
technomancy: on debian try empathy
kprav33n
I tried various things from that page and nothing helps.
However, Emacs 23.1 tramp works fine.
Any idea?
technomancy
bremner: is it pretty low-bandwidth?
bremner
no real experience.
technomancy
mumble's noise-cancellation is pretty awesome
I can't use skype outside on a windy day, which is annoying now that it's summer.
kprav33n
Emacs 23.2 hangs on doing 'M-x tramp', I am not even opening any remote file.
technomancy
(first world problems, I know.)
kprav33n: I have tramp-mode set to nil; it's just not worth the hassle for me
kprav33n
I can live without tramp.
But I use ido extensively.
Even though tramp-mode is not enabled, when I load ido, it automatically loads tramp mode.
technomancy
kprav33n: even with tramp-mode set to nil?
kprav33n
Let me try to set it explicitly.
technomancy
kprav33n: actually I have this: (setq tramp-mode nil tramp-unload-hook nil ido-enable-tramp-completion nil)
might need to set all 3
kprav33n
technomancy, Thanks!
That solved the problem with ido mode.
I use tramp mode sometimes.
It would still be nice to figure out why tramp hangs.
technomancy
cool
kprav33n
technomancy, Did you turn it off because of any such hang?
technomancy
kprav33n: it wasn't a long-term hang, more of a very annoying pause.
kprav33n
Oh, okay!
technomancy, Do you use whitespace-mode?
technomancy
kprav33n: extensively
kprav33n
In GNU Emacs 23.2.1, cursor movement in c++-mode with whitespace-mode is sloppy. When I keep pressing the arrow keys, or C-f/C-b; C-p/C-n, the cursor doesnÂ’t move smoothly. It just jumps discretely. However, when I turn off the whitespace-mode, the cursor movement is smooth again. Does anyone else face this issue?
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WhiteSpace
I am bothered by this issue a lot.
Eventually, I had to turn off whitespace mode.
I have asked this question on the Wiki page (last question)
Do you face any similar issue?
technomancy
haven't encountered that; I don't use any cc-mode derivatives myself
kprav33n
I don't see this one in Emacs 23.1. But, I see this in the trunk and 23.2.
I see this with c and c++ modes.
Oh, okay!
If you can give me some hint on how to troubleshoot this issue, that would be great!
technomancy
hard to say
kprav33n
I badly need to use whitespace mode. But, this issue is preventing me from doing it.
ggole
Yeah, I see that with whitespace-mode. I get around it by using C-v and M-v instead of line movement.
It'd be nice if the problem went away, but it may be a result of the design of redisplay and not easy to fix.
jlf
let's redouble our efforts
cluck
jlf: that's a pointless waste of effort, the quadruple of zero is still zero
jlf
let's rehalve our efforts
cluck
embrace your uselessness, become a nihilist!
e1f
let's halve our doublets
Sketch
let's double or halflets
our
kprav33n
ggole, What is interesting is that the problem is seen only in c based modes.
The other modes that I use lisp, shell and Tcl work great!
xxtjaxx
Hi I want to ist all my virtual folders from my vm. I cam up with this by now: http://pastebin.com/WnaDBGBA but for somereason it yields nil without any message even though I have around 8-10 folders in there. suggestions?
http://pastebin.com/MZCubKqT woops correct pasty now
quotemstr
Pet peeve of the day: Windows requires a reinstall when the motherboard changes.
Linux handles that scenario gracefully.
e1f
complain to your masters
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