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jbms
technomancy: I think you are confusing that motto with "Not Invented Here"
tromey
bzr actually pushed me away from emacs development a little
bremner
technomancy: also. "don't modify parts of our docs"
cluck
tromey: for some people the differences between free software and gnu free software matter
tromey
no time to learn something, and no motivation to learn something that lame
sbryant
lol bzr.
technomancy
jdms: I was thinking they had copyright assignment on bzr, but I realized that's not even true.
tromey
cluck: what do you think those differences are?
technomancy
*jbms
         

JordiGH
jlf: Pure bash? Without calling date?
legumbre
jlf: pure bash means no date +%s ?
tromey
"echo $SECONDS"?
dunno
sometimes there are random shell vars for that kind of thing
JordiGH
technomancy: That's Debian's motto.
technomancy: Or maybe it's "Freer than GNU""
jlf
tromey: thanks
bremner
JordiGH: debian is still deciding it's motto.
JordiGH
jlf: That's not epoch time.
That's since boot or something.
jlf
i know but it'll do
shabble
tromey: that's seconds since shell init, afaik
bremner
latest prediction is a debian motto freeze sometime in 2013
JordiGH
bremner: D:
bremner
then only grammar changes will be accepted.
tromey
ah
JordiGH
bremner: Low blow. We're already partially freezing squeeze.
cluck
tromey: sometimes they may be just personal preferences (ie: i don't fancy fdl'ed doc, the openbsd folks like verified sw, the freebsd ones wanted a compiler toolchain other than gcc) other times there can be actual technical differences (a better libc, a faster browser, a more efficient gc implementation for language $N)
tromey
I'm just wondering what bzr has to recommend it, other than RMS deciding to label it "GNU" one day
I don't think there is anything
but you did not seem to agree with that idea
madpickle
fsbot: tell tromey about ...
fsbot
tromey: [In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
madpickle
JordiGH: i'm drunk.
JordiGH
madpickle: Are you coming on to me?
         

cluck
tromey: we emacsers best than anyone should be familiar with choosing something because we like it despite the thousands of possible alternatives
madpickle
JordiGH: i don't dig mexicans
JordiGH
madpickle: I'm not gay, dude. Assuming you're a dude.
madpickle
JordiGH: unless you're a seƱorita
tromey
yes, but there is nothing to like about bzr
technomancy
tromey: it has the best logo of all DVCSes
tromey
hahaha
JordiGH
technomancy: I like hg's :<
technomancy
JordiGH: mercurial is the best-named DVCS.
...and git has the best implementation.
everyone wins!
cluck
despite the bad mouthing i'm pretty sure debian's motto is and has been for a long time "debian -- the universal operating system" :P
JordiGH
technomancy: hg has pretty good implementation...
So what happens in git if you committed a huge binary blob way back in the project?
Can you fix that?
technomancy
JordiGH: quit bringing up facts. =P
we are making fun of people here.
s/people/software/
anyway, yes, you can fix it, but it requires manual human coordination
JordiGH
How do you fix it?
jbms
JordiGH: if by fix it, you mean delete it permanently? you have to rewrite history
JordiGH: e.g. git-rebase
JordiGH
And will it be permanently fixed? If someone pushes to your repo, they won
t
won't recommit the blob?
technomancy
they won't be able to push
unless they're jerks and --force push
jbms
JordiGH: normally you wouldn't allow just anyone to push to your repository
technomancy
that too
JordiGH
What if I want to keep the revision but remove the blob?
cluck
does python have a gnu implementation even? not that i believe bdfl gvr would go non free but you know... consistency...
JordiGH
Is that possible too?
jbms
JordiGH: you can keep all other changes, but all of the commit ids include and after the bad commit will change
JordiGH
cluck: GNU considers "X" and other non-GNU things to be part of a GNU system.
jbms: Ah, I see. So it's like you create a new repo that happens to have the same data but different lineage.
cluck
JordiGH: yes, i realize that
JordiGH
I don't know why I put X in quotes.
jbms
JordiGH: if others have outstanding changes, and want to then merge them in, they have to do some work to port them over
technomancy
JordiGH: that's how parallel universes work... don't you read sci-fi? =)
jbms
JordiGH: so it is true, it isn't perfectly supported, but in practice I think it may be rather rare
JordiGH
well, right now I have an hg repo where I stupidly committed a video file about two years ago.
There isn't an easy way to fix this.
Unless hg implements shallow clones soon, which amusingly enough, mean something else than git's shallow clones.
So everyone has huge raging boners over git, if you'll pardon the imagery, but I think "am I not cool enough for being really happy with hg?"
jbms
I've only used mercurial briefly
but after reading about git's workings, I do like the feel of transparency in what it does
(I used mercurial prior to using git but only briefly)
JordiGH
jbms: It was awkward for me the first time that I had to manually add changes from the staging area in order to commit.
And git is wondrous strange. It's like everything is more or less like hg but somehow off.
http://importantshock.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/git-vs-mercurial/
tromey
people tend to imprint on the one they use most
that's part of why I love git
that plus the speed
JordiGH
hg is pretty fast, but I think git beats it in a few benchmarks.
Faster than bzr, apparently.
cluck
LET'S WRITE A DVCS IN SCHEME!
(Action) ducks for cover
amoe
is forcer still around these days?
JordiGH
,seen forcer
fsbot
BIIIIIIIIIIIRNY! Have you .seen forcer?
JordiGH
.seen forcer
birny
forcer was last seen quitting at 2010-05-17 23:18:08 GMT (42 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes, 33 seconds ago).
JordiGH
amoe: No.
amoe
JordiGH: recently enough to give me a bit of hope...
JordiGH
Woo!
Found a way to remove the large files from the repo!
woodworks
"rm"?
JordiGH
woodworks: No: http://kiln.stackexchange.com/questions/735/remove-large-binary-files
jlf
,yow
fsbot
HUGH BEAUMONT died in 1982!!
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll mega your pixel.
e1f
forcer is probably still playing WoW
cluck
(Action) rotfl <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzza-ZbEY70&feature=popular">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzza-ZbEY70&feature=popular</a>
dsr
When I open a org-mode file and create a todo entry, and hit C-c C-t, I see it toggling to 'DONE' but it does not insert a CLOSED timestamp.. as this tutorial suggests.. http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.php
Any help ?
emacs-23.2.1
shabble
I think you want (setq org-log-done t) in yoru .emacs
dsr
Thank you.. that does the trick
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll include you.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's make a movie following the exploits of a veteran cop two weeks from retirement and his rookie partner.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's make fun of arc.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll underscore your double quotes.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
ISO/IEEE/ANSi need taken out back and shot.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll kick you.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's get some POS software.
jordanb
Get some? We already have emacs!
esicerp
Hmm.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's make password hashes without salting them.
k-man
salt makes everything taste better
jordanb
Every time you salt a hash, Michelle Obama cries.
jlf
salt is the salt of the earth
knob
Good evening everyone =)
I'm playing with a BackTrack linux distro... how can I start Emacs in it?
sorry for the basic question, I'm a n00b to linux+emacs
technomancy
often typing "emacs" and pressing return will do it?
knob
Thanks technomancy =)
On my way to try that
Yeah! working! =) thanks
technomancy
(Action) raises an eyebrow
knob
Ok, another super basic question: If I'm trying out the Lisp excercises (from one of the HowTo docs), what should a Lisp program have as an extension?
.sh as in a Shell script?
birny
I smell smoke. Holy crap! I'm on fire!
knob
birny, piss on it!
jordanb
Followup question, I have some piss in this boot. How to pour it out?
technomancy
knob: elisp generally is .el, but other lisp dialects vary.
lisp is not one language.
jlf
knob: have you gone through the tutorial? (C-h t)
knob
Thanks =).... jlf, I'm reading the one over at GNU.org
"Emacs Lisp Intro"
jlf
knob: emacs has extensive built-in documentation -- you'd do well to start with learning the editor before tackling lisp
knob
jlf, thanks... also have open the Emacs docs... just jumping in on it. =)
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's restate our earnings.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll mcrypt you.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll oy you.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll give you trance and all that cause it was just a silly fad anyway.
jordanb
rudybot: eh?
rudybot
jordanb: "Eh, yeah, just throw whatever we have up as a release."
jordanb
rudybot: apple
rudybot
jordanb: Not sure what Apple did to cron, though.
jordanb
rudybot: apple
rudybot
jordanb: Excuse my ignorance, but how does apple impose their restriction?
jordanb
rudybot: apple
rudybot
jordanb: Yes, in the short term that's correct. I'm saying that in the long term they would have done so *anyway* because the subsequent arrangement was benificial to Apple itself for more than PR reasons. So they've copied it to other projects, including LLVM.
jordanb
rudybot: apple
rudybot
jordanb: it is really the same deal with calling a file `windows' or `apple' or something
jordanb
rudybot: apple
rudybot
jordanb: jordanb, you really like apple, i can tell
jordanb
:<
jrockway
that spam from earlier in the day was hilarious
i tried to look at the site with wget, and it gave me a 403
then i used a firefox UA instead, and got the text of the page
"Welcome to <STRONG>AnonTalk</STRONG> the <EM>original</EM>, <EM>best</EM> and <EM>only</EM> Web site of its kind, illegally cloned by numerous talentless copycat thieves but never surpassed! Due to <A HREF="/The_rotten_and_corrupt_Domain_Name_System" REL="new">the corrupt and rotten Domain Name System of the Internet</A>, managed by incompetent, greedy idiots, we lost our original domain name."
i detect some bitterness in there :]
offby1
naw
jordanb
rudybot: rotten
rudybot
jordanb: Lutefisk might be disgusting but it certainly is not rotten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutefisk
jordanb
rudybot: I'll take your word for that.
rudybot
jordanb: maybe restricted was the wrong word. Possibly I yust use the wrong way to cycle throug buffers... when I cycle through buffers this cycling should be only the buffers in a certain frame.
jordanb
rudybot: offby1
rudybot
jordanb: yeah, i guess
jordanb
rudybot: offby1
rudybot
jordanb: i think offby1 would be a good presenter for an intro to scheme
woodworks
what is this days of our lives aka rudybot?
jordanb
Heh
rudybot has high regard for offby1's scheme programming abilities.
woodworks
deja vu all over again?
wgreenhouse
rudybot: rudybot
rudybot
wgreenhouse: quote
wgreenhouse
ask a silly question, get a silly answer
rudybot: fsbot
rudybot
wgreenhouse: 16 /ignore fsbot
jordanb
That bot's gotta lip on him.
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