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JordiGH
Blegh.
Django doesn't validate emails properly.
Does anyone, anywhere, actually impelement the full email address RFC?
ecc
any good mp3 players for emacs?
JordiGH
ecc: itym "ogg players"
ecc
'media player'
JordiGH
ecc: emms is kinda ok.
ecc
thanks i will try it out
JordiGH
,emms
fsbot
emms is, like, a media (e.g. music) player for Emacs <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/EMMS>, <http://gnu.org/software/emms>
JordiGH
I wonder if it can do video.
Emacs has a video editor, did you know?
         

ecc
editor?
fsbot
editor is, like, add to .bashrc--- export EDITOR=emacs
marioxcc
ecc: mp3 is a patented format, you can't make full use of it legally, use ogg vorbis instead :)
unicode_
yeah, emacs has an video editor mode : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vumR5Hcz7s
ecc
yes i know :) i just said mp3 player because most of my music tends to be mp3, i prefer flac
JordiGH
My music is Vorbis because it's the default.
ecc: YA RLY ,,g emacs video editor
fsbot
[google] http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D0vumR5Hcz7s
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/80956
ecc
video editor in emacs is sick
JordiGH
Sick good or sick bad?
http://1010.co.uk/gneve.html
ecc
sick mad
:)
JordiGH
mad good or mad bad?
ecc
mad rad
JordiGH
rad good or rad bad?
ecc
:)
JordiGH
Hehe.
I love the Power Glove. It's so bad!
ecc
powerglove?
JordiGH
,g I love the power glvoe
fsbot
[google] http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKZErvASwdlU
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DlwTRl54RQOI
JordiGH
Top hit, I think.
ecc
:P
         

b0ef
damn; I did something bad in gnus; I hit "U" on a group and restarted; now it won't appear again, even though the directory is present. Any pointers as to how I can get it back?
marioxcc
b0ef: in the same was as you enabled it the first time
b0ef
marioxcc: well, I just added it to ~/.gnus and it's still there, uncommented
marioxcc: this is a mail directory
not a news feed
marioxcc
b0ef: no idea
b0ef
damn
marioxcc
,emacs-help
fsbot
try: dot-emacs-helper.el drew-emacs-help-apropos drew-emacs-help-describe drew-emacs-help-learn-emacs drew-emacs-help-learn-lisp drew-emacs-help-whoops DrewsEmacsHelpImage
marioxcc
,help
fsbot
help is, like, [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ErBot
[1] To talk, type , followed by a message whose first word is either a topic, or a command, or a lisp expression. Some interesting topics: data, example, quickstart, and suggest., ..[Type ,more]
marioxcc
,report-emacs-bug
fsbot
Try: reportbug reportit
marioxcc
,...
fsbot
[In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
rudybot
Woof.
ecc
anyone who used emms who knows about this: emms-player-start: Don't know how to play track: (*track* (type . file)
i have mplayer and mpg321 installed
b0ef
the manual explains my scenario here:
(at the bottom)
http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_176.html
unfortunately, it doesn't say what to do after you've shot yourself in the foot
there must be a list gnus keeps of unsubscribed mail groups
cause it obviously knows to not display it
quidnunc
b0ef: Try ^
b0ef
quidnunc: right, found it;) - thought it was just for news groups
quidnunc: thanks
saved my night sleep;)
e1f
how long will it be before apple enters the mobile search market
c3l
doesnt emacs have php mode by default?
quidnunc
np
e1f
i don't believe so
c3l
may I ask why? isnt emacs designed to edit code? or just not php code? ;)
m``
why should emacs have php-mode by default?
give me at least 1 reason
c3l
I assume emacs users are using the program to edit various types of code, incl. php. and as emacs has several other modes, why not this mode, php is after all quite commonly used
benny
,php
fsbot
[->] From memory, php-mode is [0] <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/PhpMode>
[1] difficult to implement in Emacs (see mmm-mode),
[2] PHP is a good example of how not to design a language,
[3] see also nxhtml
xristos
php sucks
m``
php is a joke
xristos
learn lisp
c3l
oh hahah
benny
difficult to implement, license issues, available maintainer are probably the reason why there is no php-mode
xristos
you may yet redeem yourself
benny
in emacs by defualt
m``
and you dont really need an IDE to edit php code
use perl
c3l
I will look into lisp then =)
..or perl
benny
or fortran or cobal or whatever the fu*k you want
c3l
eeeh :E
which language can replace php and is most commonly used? ;)
benny
and don't worry about what kind of default there is in emacs
emacs sucks balls by default
xristos
c3l: python is a better language than php
but that doesn't say much
cause python is pretty horrible too
in fact, compared to lisp, everything seems pretty dismal
m``
BI
no
dont listen to xristos
never
perl can replace php
xristos
perl lol
m``
lisp is better for enterprise coding
rryouumaa
(Action) another entrenched-position argument...
AimHere
Your name is Paul Graham and I claim my £5
m``
also learn haskell, it's really simple and easy for beginners
jk
well
xristos
haskell is the future, everyone should learn it
m``
seriously, learn lisp
elisp for emacs
xristos: yeah yeah whatever
c3l
thanks for yout input =)
m``
xristos: by the time haskell would be popular
i'd be dead
c3l
benny: what do you mean about emacs sucking balls by default?
xristos
m``: i was of course being sarcastic
pjb
c3l: actually, emacs is designed to edit any kind of text. It is also especially good for prose.
m``
oh
sry
benny
c3l: I think emacs has bad defaults
pjb
m``
c3l: "plain" emacs setup is not very efficient
you can try emacs-starter-kit
c3l
pjb: thanks for the link, ill read it
m``: oh...
do I, as a total emacs noob, notice any drawbacks from using the defaul emacs?
offby1
That's metaphysically absurd, man! How can _I_ know what _you_ notice?
xristos
it's called _the gift_
you obviously don't have it
offby1
obviously
.oO(REDRUM!)
m``
what
xristos
heh
btest
test
offby1
exam
rudybot
quiz
rryouumaa
<pjb> c3l: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html -- i wonder what specifically he dislikes about keyword args
m``
uhhh rms
he also dislikes tcl
for some crazy reason
WHAT A NERD
jcorneli
(new to tramp): is there a way to get tramp to look at ~/.ssh/my_id_rsa.pub instead of ~.ssh/id_rsa.pub (as I would do with ssh -i ~/.ssh/my_id_rsa)?
xristos
rryouumaa: i wouldn't put much weight on what rms thinks about technical issues
JordiGH
(Action) writes the world's only 80-column HTML code.
yg
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cluck
JordiGH: infidel! 22 are enough for quality source code!
JordiGH
cluck: I guess there are few words longer than 22 characters.
cluck
(Action) realizes only old geek farts will get the reference, rejoices for he is in #emacs among kindred souls
JordiGH: germans don't count. theymakeeverythingintoasingleword
JordiGH
,g 22 quality source control
fsbot
[google] http://www.teamcoherence.com/
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/is-imprv.html
http://www.toolbase.org/Home-Building-Topics/Indoor-Air-Quality/spot-ventilation
cluck
JordiGH: lisp machines
JordiGH
Lisp machines only had 22 columns?
This doesn't explain the-insanely-long-identifiers.
kiras
maybe it does though... like when you hit the end of a line in the middle of a word, you put a - in it and continue on the next line.
cluck
JordiGH: more like it was good practice keeping the source formated for 22 columns
rryouumaa
(Action) used symbolics and remembers wide cols
jbms
I would think with HTML you would typically rely on word wrap
(display-based, that is)
now that Emacs finally supports it only about 20 years after it was invented
JordiGH
jbms: It was supported from the beginning.
It was just called something else.
And even then, I like 80-column code.
Scrolling horizontally to read source in Firefox is ugly.
And nobody word wraps correctly.
jbms
JordiGH: that's not true
JordiGH: auto-fill-mode isn't the same
JordiGH: configure your browser to display source code in Emacs
JordiGH: the chance that any given person will have exactly an 80 column text display is low
JordiGH: so wrapping the source to a fixed length will probably lead to wasting of screen space
sepult
how can i make the my prompt place my cursor at the end of the line ?
jbms
With some source code, wrapping automatically isn't all that possible
but wrapping just e.g. a normal sentence/paragraph is fairly straightforward
JordiGH
jbms: The chance *I* have 80-column screens is pretty high.
Everyone else can live with my wrapping decision.
sepult: your prompt?
Arthur_Rainbow
sepult: do you mean C-e (the point will be at end of the line)
Hello
Is there any shortcut to kill an entire word ? Often I'd like to do M-d M-<DEL> in one shorcut.
e1f
(Action) now guesses that rryouumaa is over 40
sepult
i mean the prompt when i get comletion in the minibuffer
it is always to the left justified
i turned it right justified for icicles, but something else is using it too
so i don't know which variable has to be set for that
brb
marioxcc
Arthur_Rainbow: by default M-d is kill-word
legumbre
(Action) wonders what the mean age of #emacs is
e1f
check the emacs channel demographics page on the wiki
Arthur_Rainbow
kill-word actually kill from the point to the end of the word. I would like it to kill from the beggining of the word to its end
legumbre
,demographics
fsbot
I heard demographics is http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki?EmacsChannelDemographics
e1f
http://www.thebigmoney.com/articles/judgments/2010/06/23/fleeharmonycom
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