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JordiGH
,window
fsbot
I heard Window is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Window
aidalgol
Oh, lowercase.
yonkeltron
,windows is also Perhaps the worst operating system every built.
kodein
,widow
fsbot
Added entry to the term "Windows"
[google] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ErbotContrib
http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/2002-01-02_Elendor
aidalgol
,windows
fsbot
I think Windows is [0] (info "(emacs)Windows")
[1] see also emacsw32 for windows versions of emacs,
[2] Perhaps the worst operating system every built.
jabot
you could add [3] VMS++
         

yonkeltron
ewies
but cute
aidalgol
Add "...and the one with the most unimaginative name."
jabot
hey
it started out as a graphical shell for DOS
aidalgol
I know.
jabot
so the name is more or less apprpriate
aidalgol
They could've changed it something more original when it become an OS unto itself.
jabot
besides, unimaginative names are good
because they're easier to understand
aidalgol
yonkeltron: Add "...and the one with the most unimaginative name."
turbofail
i can't see through this operating system at all! this name is terrible!
microsoft wall
aidalgol
jabot: Until I want to talk about the concept of windows in general.
jabot
yeah well...
aidalgol
"Pages" is unimaginative, but doesn't cause confusion (as often).
yonkeltron
,windows is also the one with the least imaginative name
fsbot
Added entry to the term "Windows"
yonkeltron
,windows
fsbot
Windows -- [0] (info "(emacs)Windows")
[1] see also emacsw32 for windows versions of emacs,
[2] Perhaps the worst operating system every built.,
[3] the one with the least imaginative name
aidalgol
yonkeltron: Thank you! :)
,RMS
fsbot
I think rms is [0] At http://stallman.org
[1] http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/,
[2] the nick of Richard M. Stallman, founder of the FSF,
[3] rms wrote emacs,
[4] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RMS, ..[Type ,more]
aidalgol
,more
fsbot
[5] says "We shouldn't put trash cans in the park, because it might encourage people to bring trash.", ..[Type ,more]
         

aidalgol
Eek! How long does it go on?
turbofail
we shouldn't have fire departments because we'll encourage people to set their sh*t on fire
JordiGH
,moar
fsbot
[6] root mean square, also known as the quadratic mean, is a statistical measure of the magnitude of a varying quantity. It is especially useful when variates are positive and negative, e.g., sinusoids.,
[7] http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/bos/533096562.html
JordiGH
Is rms still looking for a girl?
I guess he's single now.
aidalgol
Heh, look at line 15 of the source HTML of http://stallman.org
lol, and the style sheet...
JordiGH
lol
aidalgol: What about it?
aidalgol
Only RMS would explicitly release his CSS files into the Public Domain.
"Don't Buy Harry Potter Books"?!
Wait, wait, wait, wait! That's legal?!
Holy [censored]!
cvandusen
[censored]??
fsbot
Ask yourself, do you really want to know?
cvandusen
why, yes I do
turbofail
you can't handle the know-age!
aidalgol
How can that bot talk?
JordiGH
aidalgol: What's legal?
cvandusen
aidalgol: Shoestring, chewing gum and a paper clip
turbofail
no duct tape?
cvandusen
turbofail: That's rudybot
turbofail
ah
JordiGH
(Action) is trying to learn how RPMs work, hopes this will only hurt a little.
tromey
it isn't too bad
spec files are weird but not hard to write
jlf
JordiGH: just divide the number of revolutions by the number of minutes
simple, really
JordiGH
jlf: ha ha ha
aidalgol
cvandusen: wtf?
cvandusen
aidalgol: yes, Whiskey Tastes Fine.
aidalgol
cvandusen: What the hell was the shoestring, chewing gum, and a paper clip thing about?
cvandusen
aidalgol: you wanted to know how that bot talked. Now I'm going to be hunted down by the FSF for divulging trade secrets...
aidalgol
Oh, OK.
Sounded like a shopping list. :P
cvandusen
Oh, yeah! That's what it is. No trade secrets here!
aidalgol
(Action) hears hoof-beats and dogs in the distance.
cvandusen
,...
rudybot
Woof.
fsbot
[In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
turbofail
,yow
fsbot
I always liked FLAG DAY!!
aidalgol
(Action) looks down at the bleeding hole in his chest... and falls over forwards.
boscop
meow
turbofail
meta-programming is so last century... it's time for meat-programming
ggole
(incf steak)
aidalgol
turbofail: Don't diss da Lisps!
turbofail
aidalgol: am i?
aidalgol
Meta-programmingis a fundamental of Lisp.
(I think...)
Besides, vegetarian programmers will get upset.
(incf tofu)
jlf
there's no inherent value judgement in saying something is last-century
aidalgol
That's better.
roadfish
how can I determine if a character is alphabetic or ascii in emacs lisp?
yonkeltron
roadfish: what?
fledermaus
define "alphabetic or ascii"
aidalgol
roadfish: You mean printable?
JordiGH
I think it's "alphabetic xor ascii"?
aidalgol
JordiGH: That's a contradiction.
JordiGH
aidalgol: No, "," is alphabatic xor ascii.
yonkeltron
i think it's like 'what's the difference between algorithms and logarithms?'
fledermaus
kneelb xor zod
cvandusen
roadfish: Do you walk to work, or bring your lunch?
yonkeltron
roadfish: tell us what you're trying to do and we can help.
roadfish
no, I mean what is the function for alphabetic ... and what is the function for ascii
yonkeltron
cvandusen: that was funny
roadfish
I don't mean the samething at once ... I was kind of asking two questions
I don't know where to like in the elisp manual ... and tried all the obvious locations
yonkeltron
roadfish: well, good on you for looking around first.
roadfish: can you explain what you're trying to do?
roadfish
I want to feed a string into an emacs function that spits out the unicode name of all non-ascii characters
yonkeltron
roadfish: OH.
roadfish
I already have a function that prints out the unicode name of a character ...
yonkeltron
roadfish: that's totally different.
roadfish: oh.
roadfish: so you just need to iterate over the characters in a string?
RaceCondition
sorry for asking a stupid question, but how do I give a prefix argument to a function/command that has no shortcut, i.e. needs to be alled via M-x?
roadfish
but I am getting too much info because I don't need the extra info of the regular ascii characters
fledermaus
a non ascii character is one whose value is > 127
roadfish
I know how to interate
JordiGH
RaceCondition: Same way?
roadfish
I mean iterate
JordiGH
RaceCondition: C-u 5 M-x forward-char
RaceCondition
JordiGH: C-u M-x command-name?
aidalgol
JordiGH: It's the same as ascii ' ¬alphabetic?
RaceCondition
JordiGH: hmm, I tried, but it doesn't seem to work... I tried tu use sgml-quote for unquoting, but it still quotes
roadfish
I just wanted the function for ascii or for alphanumeric
well "#" is ascii but is not alphanumeric
and "'" is unicode but not alphanumeric
JordiGH
aidalgol: I dislike your set notation.
roadfish
I thought there were standard functions for these ... I remember seeing the past
RaceCondition
JordiGH: wait, sorry, it just doesn't seem to be able to unquote »
yonkeltron
roadfish: let me get this straight, you want to take a string
roadfish: filter out the ascii characters
roadfish: and then iterate over them
?
roadfish
or I might just want to filter out the alphanumerics but keep the stuff like "#"
and I already know how to iterate ... I just wanted predicate functions for alphanumeric testing and for ascii testing
yonkeltron
roadfish: ok, now we're getting somewhere
fledermaus
roadfish: I told you how to tell if a character was ascii or nor
not
roadfish
I was searching through (info "(elisp) Top") info-pages but just didn't find it
ok, so I can do the 127 test
but I thought there was an info-page with character predicate functions but I can't seem to find it now
but so how about testing for alphanumeric
yonkeltron
roadfish: have you heard of a regex?
roadfish: just a general question
kensanata
What's the recommended way to learn Clojure? Should I order a book? Practical Clojure or Programming Clojure?
roadfish
hmm, I guess I'll just use (string-match "[a-z0-9\n]" ...)
fledermaus
\n isn't alphanumeric
turbofail
kensanata: i would ask #clojure about that
aidalgol
JordiGH: That's not set notation. :/
kensanata
turbofail: I'm somewhat afraid to find all the book authors over there. :)
JordiGH
aidalgol: Well, it should be!
aidalgol
(Action) stuffs JordiGH into a set.
roadfish
maybe I was just thinking of Python ... it has isalpha, isalnum, isdigit, etc type predicates
turbofail
kensanata: anyway i would suggest looking at the wikibooks thing on clojure first
that gives a pretty good intro and is free
aidalgol
When the world ends, we'll be using IP over carrier pigeon.
kensanata
turbofail: There's also the possibility that people have a preference for Apress or Pragmatic Programmers based on Practical Lisp (which I started to read) vs. Programming Ruby / Rails (which I stopped reading after a few pages)...
turbofail: Wikibooks is a good point. Thanks.
technomancy
kensanata: I found programming clojure quite good coming from a perspective with a little lisp
turbofail
IP over string-cans
technomancy
kensanata: the wiki is quite bad, actually
kensanata: also, I made a commercial hourlong screencast on it at ,,peepcode
fsbot
technomancy: I think peepcode is [0] a series screencasts for learning various technologies: http://peepcode.com
[1] see the one on Emacs: http://peepcode.com/products/meet-emacs (by technomancy),
[2] commercial screencasts; $9 for each hour-long video
roadfish
ok, here is something (char-charset ?a) -> ascii and (char-charset ?') -> unicode
kensanata
technomancy: That's right, your peepcode thing... I remember reading about that somewhere. I just can't imagine myself sitting through a video. I'll order the Pragmatic Clojure book because of the Lisp perspective, then. :)
yonkeltron
,party
fsbot
yonkeltron: I heard party is [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3kAmQ8KifY
[1] "I came 2 party and you came 2 party so why don't we party together?"
technomancy
kensanata: it's a little old, but there haven't been any breaking changes since it was published. just new features.
bpalmer
kensanata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoeav_T1ARU&feature=PlayList&p=AC43CFB134E85266&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1 <-- intro to clojure, in 10 parts.
(I assume it's not the peepcode thing, but you can give it a try)
let's transmit our password in non-proprietary cleartext.
kensanata
bpalmer: I've seen or skimmed several intro talks many moons ago (and I'm on a machine that can't look at YouTube right now).
bpalmer
kensanata: ! Where are supposed to get your cute kitten videos?!
kensanata
bpalmer: Right now I'm trying to write my first real application. :)
bpalmer: At work, obviously, where I have a kitten-enabled workstation!
technomancy
kensanata: if you just want to get the background/motivation behind it rather than actually learning how to code in it, the "clojure for lisp programmers" talk on blip.tv is excellent.
but not terribly practical
kensanata
technomancy: Hm, maybe that was the talk I saw.
technomancy: Right now I'm at this level: http://stuartsierra.com/2010/01/06/heating-up-clojure-swing
Looking at it, getting it, wanting to write something same same but different.
bpalmer
kensanata: <tangent>if it's not a work-related blockage, why can't you watch youtube now?
kensanata
Because I have installed Ubuntu.
On an old iBook with macppc architecture.
bpalmer
which doesn't preclude flash, necessarily, but there is html5 youtube
kensanata
bpalmer: Hm, that's true.
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