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woodworks
hey, some of us grumpy old farts have much joy in life, just grumpy is all
JordiGH
,forget ass 3
fsbot
Removed entry 3 of ASS
jordanb
Who's the one deleting sh*t out of fsbot?
,ass is also ^^- Using british words and pseudo-math doesn't make you right.
fsbot
Added entry to the term "ASS"
jlf
JordiGH: let's take the 'unresponsive UI' axis of suckage. clearly there is software with slight unresponsiveness to go-make-a-sandwich unresponsiveness
so: vector, yes. unit, no.
JordiGH
jlf: That's not how vectors work... I know plenty crappy but very responsive software.
piranha
turbofail: eh, that's sad... thanks
JordiGH
jlf: You can't pick a direction and says "it sucks in this direction".
jlf: Overall, everything will suck in some way. It's the human way.
,forget ass 3
         

fsbot
Removed entry 3 of ASS
jordanb
,ass is also ^^- Using british words and pseudo-math doesn't make you right.
fsbot
Added entry to the term "ASS"
JordiGH
You scripted it, eh?
jordanb
JordiGH: How about you put your theory into fsbot instead of just doing killjoy deletions?
JordiGH
,forget ass 3
jlf
JordiGH: the idea that suckage is an n-dimensional vector is worthwhile, because software may suck by one metric and be fine by another.
fsbot
Removed entry 3 of ASS
jordanb
,ass is also ^^- Using british words and pseudo-math doesn't make you right.
fsbot
Added entry to the term "ASS"
jordanb
Yo've not given any explanation for why you're deleting except that you think I'm a "grumpy old fart"
cnk_
Can anyone recommend a blog post or something on learning to debug .emacs customizations? I have read the docs and think I am close. But really don't understand the trace I am getting when I try out my line with C-x C-e
JordiGH
jlf: What other kind of vector is there?
cnk_
I think I have leaning toothpick syndrome - but not sure where
sepult
,fortune
fsbot
You are fairminded, just and loving.
jlf
JordiGH: but for a particular metric it's obvious that different software can suck to greater or lesser degrees
JordiGH
jordanb: Because you're just arguing stupid things in fsbot because you think it sounds like xkcd and you got some sort of personal vendetta against xkcd and anything that resembles it.
jlf
JordiGH: i don't understand your question
jordanb
Man I really upset you about xkcd didn't I?
I'm sorry if I insulted something you like.
         

cvandusen
JordiGH: wow, there's a _good_ reason!
jordanb
No accouting for taste.
JordiGH
jlf: I don't understand why you need to mention how many dimensions a vector has.
jordanb
But that's not an explanation for why you're deleting my stuff out of the bot.
JordiGH
jordanb: Honestly, dude, get some oral sex or something.
jlf
JordiGH: because it's a useful way to express the idea that suckage is not measured in one dimension (sucks <---> rules) but in many
JordiGH
jlf: A "vector" already implies more than dimension... that's why it's funny...
jlf: Scalars are a kind of vector, but a boring one, and not usually worthy of the name.
bremner
R^0 ftw
jlf
JordiGH: but many people think of suckage as a scalar, which it's not
JordiGH
Which is exactly what fsbot saying.. it's not a scalar...
bremner
jlf: vectors have norms, usually\
jlf
bremner: <jlf> so: vector, yes. unit, no.
bremner
hmm. The infinite dimensional space of suckage vectors. There is a topic reaching complex analysis and software engineering.
cluck
EVERYBODY STOP!!! SOMEONE'S WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!!
turbofail
(Action) stops
rryouumaa
(Action) starts for symmetry
cvandusen
(Action) is wrong
JordiGH
turbofail: hammertime!
marioxcc
hi
jlf
also, silently deleting contentious fsbot entries in /query is bad form
JordiGH
fine, I'll put it back in
,forget ass 3
fsbot
Doh! Number should be "all" or lie between 0 and 2
JordiGH
jordanb: Your turn.
jordanb: But do be more insightful than "British" words.
rryouumaa
peace was acheived? how did htat happen?
bremner
apathy
rryouumaa
ie*
turbofail
captain hammer will save us
JordiGH
rryouumaa: We should phone Yasser Arafat and inform him of our revolutionary negotiation tactics.
marioxcc
playing with the poor fsbot again?
::S
jlf
,botsnack
fsbot
(Action) beams
rryouumaa
apathy isn't a unit vector :)
JordiGH
Is that a four-eyed tongue-twisted monster?
marioxcc
JordiGH: yes, exactly
woodworks
did fsbot just get beans? gotta check the lint on the eyeglasses
jordanb
JordiGH: You're really pathetic.
JordiGH
jordanb: Just put it back in, you win.
British words aren't funny.
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's trickle down.
turbofail
also what she said
cluck
fsbot needs some sort of karma or social persistence mechanism so we can manage the contents as a democracy otherwise we are risking one of these days find ourselves with a db filled with advice on how to «N-1arge Ur p3n15»
jordanb
rudybot: How do you N-large ur p3n15?
rudybot
jordanb: when you fix that, try find . -printf "%A@ %p\n" | sort -n
cvandusen
please, no karma
JordiGH
cluck: Bots can ignore people who abuse.
marioxcc
karma system sucks
they are inaccurate and people use them just to play
jordanb
fsbot: cvandusen++
fsbot
Noted, jordanb. One lispy-point for cvandusen!
JordiGH
jordanb: I edited it slightly, hope you don't mind.
cluck
JordiGH: fsbot obviously cannot or it would have you BOTH on the sh*tlist by now
rryouumaa
,ass
fsbot
hmm, ASS is [0] all software sucks.
[1] but some sucks much, much more.,
[2] Bollocks to [1]. Suck is a unit vector. It's just that any given hacker finds suckage in some direction to be less disagreeable.,
[3] ^^-Using pseudointellectual words and pseudo-math doesn't make you right.
marioxcc
¿whos the fsbot mantainer anyway'
JordiGH
marioxcc: fledermaus
jordanb
Whatever man
rryouumaa
bollocks is pseudointellectual?
cvandusen
,yow
fsbot
MMM-MM!! So THIS is BIO-NEBULATION!
JordiGH
rryouumaa: Oh, I thought "disagreeable" was the British word.
jordanb
Yeah, that's idotic, but I'm sick of this.
JordiGH
Haha, I didn't even notice "bollocks".
cvandusen
I'm going to use "bollocks" at the next scrum
jordanb
"bollocks" is a slang word from britian...
JordiGH
And thus Unamerican.
turbofail
never mind the bollocks, here's the sex pistols
JordiGH
turbofail: This is an American-language channel.
cluck
JordiGH: really? i don't recall ever reading navajo here
cvandusen
fsbot: cluck++
fsbot
Noted, cvandusen. One rms-point for cluck!
cluck
(Action) thanks the audience for the applause
JordiGH
cluck: And certainly not "bollocks"!
sepult
winnows pie server
jordanb
,karma cluck
fsbot
9 ..(integer)
JordiGH
Hm, OpenSSL can't compile out of source?
jordanb
,karma jordanb
fsbot
3 ..(integer)
jordanb
:<
,karma jordanb
fsbot
8 ..(integer)
jordanb
That's better
rryouumaa
,karma
fsbot
2 ..(integer)
rryouumaa
does jordanb run fsbot?
jordanb
,karma rryouumaa
fsbot
0 ..(integer)
rryouumaa
i guess so then
jordanb
,karma rryouumaa
fsbot
3 ..(integer)
jordanb
,karma fsbot
fsbot
6 ..(integer)
jordanb
fsbot: Do I run you??
fsbot
I'm telling you, you don't want to know.
jordanb
:x
rryouumaa
,karma rms
fsbot
7 ..(integer)
rryouumaa
,karma rms
fsbot
8 ..(integer)
marioxcc
,karma marioxcc
fsbot
7 ..(integer)
rryouumaa
,karma rms
fsbot
6 ..(integer)
marioxcc
¿?
what ,karma do?
sepult
,karma
fsbot
7 ..(integer)
rryouumaa
,(random 10)
fsbot
2 ..(integer)
marioxcc
karma is just a random number, ¿correct?
sepult
,(foo my-boot)
fsbot
BEEEP: Symbol's value as variable is void: fs-my-boot
cvandusen
marioxcc: achieves the opposite of its intent
jordanb
fsbot: Is karma just a random number??
fsbot
I'm telling you, you don't want to know.
marioxcc
cvandusen: ok
haha
???
fsbot
Definitely
jordanb
Do you like not answering questions??
fsbot
Ask yourself, do you really want to know?
marioxcc
haha
JordiGH
Huh, looks like OpenSSL implements its own math functions.
cluck
let's just agree to disagree and stop this childish flame fest over a couple of entries on an irc bot, may our efforts instead be spent on something more productive like say innovative ways to trash-talk proprietary software or new ways to mock vim users
technomancy
cluck: I heard Guile is the future of Emacs.
sepult
productive ?
the productive gland ?
cvandusen
I'd rather trash IDEs than vim
sepult
or the productive member ?
cvandusen
Although Eclipse is like fish in a barrel
technomancy
textmate has gotten to the point where it's not even fun to make fun of anymore
jordanb
cluck: The problem is that JordiGH is a lame-ass pu**y who has a vendetta against me because I mocked a crappy stick-figure comic he likes.
turbofail
eclipse is more like a beached whale
possibly in a barrel
JordiGH
jordanb: I don't actually like xkcd all that much anymore, but your constant hatred of everything is tiresome.
cvandusen
turbofail: heh
sepult
,they all underbelly
fsbot
From memory, they is not a singular pronoun
cvandusen
pot to kettle: you're black
technomancy
,gentlemen
fsbot
Gentlemen, you can't fight here. This is the War Room.
marioxcc
??
fsbot
Definitely
cvandusen
anywho, how bout that Netbeans
JordiGH
technomancy: that one still makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.
technomancy
cvandusen: worst product name since Erlang.
JordiGH
cvandusen: I was looking at its Debian packaging, which is currently in a sad state of affairs. I think Ubuntu has done stuff with it, though.
Sketch
Stuff! I love stuff.
rolando
there appears to be a problem with the portuguese part of ispell-dictionary-base-alist
marioxcc
before to use Emacs i used netbeans
is the typical IDE
rolando
where should I file a bug report?
JordiGH
,bugs
jlf
M-x report-emacs-bug
fsbot
try: botbugs BugsEverywhere EmacsBugs ErbotBugs ErcBugs FindBugs gnu.emacs.bugs jde-findbugs.el JdeeFindbugs librefmbugs XEmacsBugs
JordiGH
,bug
fsbot
JordiGH: hmm, bug is [0] since it "just works" for me, you have to tell us what you are doing exactly, what you expect to happen, and what happens instead. ..[Type ,more]
cvandusen
I program Erlang in NetBeans on my eee
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