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yonkeltron
say i want chrome?
ashawley
the key to pirate jokes is doing like 7 in a row of them.
nb. http://oldsite.prometheusradio.org/pirate.html
JordiGH
yonkeltron: sudo ln -s /usr/bin/chrome /usr/bin/firefox
yonkeltron
lovely
JordiGH
(Action) bows.
sritchie
proq: success
proq: thanks so much, that's fantastic
legumbre
(Action) wonders by the chromium windows don't have the "browser" role
JordiGH
legumbre: You mean in X?
legumbre
s/by/why/
JordiGH: yes, in X
         

JordiGH
Possibly because Google wanted to change how windows work, regardless of the windowing environment.
In particular, Google hates windows' title bars.
legumbre
but what does the role have to do with title bars?
JordiGH
Maybe it's something like a widget instead?
You can draw widgets outside of the current viewport. Can you do that with browsers?
This is just a wag.
quotemstr
Heh. Someone has indeed created an unlambda-mode for Emacs.
proq
yeah. ain't it lovely?
jlf
,unlambda
fsbot
[google] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CommonLispEmacs
camm`
Any emacs developers here? I have an unexec problem on mac os x.
JordiGH
What's wrong with lambda_
?
quotemstr
,unlambda is an esoteric pure functional programming language. It is like other functional languages, but more so.
fsbot
created.
JordiGH
(Action) downs another shot.
quotemstr
camm`: Worksforme.
legumbre
church tarpit?
JordiGH
quotemstr: Install Mac OS X, then.
quotemstr: So that it won't work.
quotemstr
(Action) flays JordiGH
legumbre: Indeed.
camm`
quotemstr: Great! You might or might not know, emacs and gcl both use this code.
quotemstr
,unlambda is also "Your Functional Programming Language Nightmares Come True" http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/
fsbot
Added entry to the term "unlambda"
camm`
quotemstr: Might I describe my problem to you at the level of gdb and disassembly? Or can you point me to someone I might discuss this with, preferably a current maintainer?
         

quotemstr
camm`: unexec is black magic, and the XEmacs people were right to move to their "portable dumper"
camm`: TBH, I haven't looked at the unexec code much myself for longer than it took to recoil in horror. You probably want to try emacs-devel; if any mortal souls recall how that code works, they'll be there.
camm`
quotemstr: maybe the case, alas not an option for me at the moment. Code is still live in GNU emacs, no?
I see. emacs-devel an irc channel? Not displayed in /list.
quotemstr
No, the mailing list.
,emacs-devel
fsbot
emacs-devel -- at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?emacs-devel
camm`
OK this is the lowest latency option, yes?
quotemstr
Unless someone who understands that ancient horror steps in here, yes.
camm`
Thank you all so much! If I refine my understanding, maybe I can serve as the hieroglyphics legacy guru:-)
JordiGH
Why do people learn obfuscated languages? I have enough work as it is understanding unobfuscated code.
DraX
how aprorpos, since we're talking about the unexec code
quotemstr
JordiGH: It's pure programming divorced from real-world problems.
DraX
i tried to understand it once, i had to lock myself in a padded room for weeks
quotemstr
JordiGH: It's like math. :-)
JordiGH
quotemstr: I think the problem is that I hate programming and computers deep down.
legumbre
this unlambda language is pure evil
JordiGH
,unexec
fsbot
[google] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-se/EmacsForMacOS
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WishList
JordiGH
Aha, it's a Mac OS X thing.
xristos
is there a good way to temporarily hijack all the self-insert-command key bindings in my major mode ?
DraX
no, unexec is an every emacs things
unless you have CANNOT_DUMP set
JordiGH
DraX: then fix fsbot.
DraX
or you're using xemacs
,unexec is the thingie that loads elisp source and then dumps an emacs executable with those lisps already loaded
fsbot
created.
DraX
:P
thingie
kahmalo
xristos: how temporarily?
DraX
it's what makes emacs start time only slow, instead of unbareable
xristos
kahmalo: i can't use let on self-insert-command
flet rather
kahmalo
xristos: can you set another keymap temporarily? one where you've called suppress-keymap. overriding-local-map perhaps?
xristos
ok
kahmalo
why do you want to hijack self-insert-command?
xristos
because i dont want to insert typed characters in my buffer
in case of password let's say
i'd use read-passwd but its synchronous
arcanis
hello =)
do you know how to suppress the autowrap functionnality of emacs ?
I'm trying to edit C files with more than 80 columns, and the display isn't very pretty = /
proq
arcanis: longlines-mode
arcanis
proq : it's worse, Emacs make a invisible line break
JordiGH
arcanis: Emacs 23? You're possibly running afoul of visual-lines-mod
e
kahmalo
xristos: consider also calling clear-this-command-keys
damd
,t8 en sv You're possibly running afoul of something
fsbot
Du är möjligen kör afoul av något
kahmalo
if it's a password, I mean
JordiGH
damd: Did that translate correctly?
damd
JordiGH: no, i still don't understand what afoul means
JordiGH
damd: It's a very idiomatic phrase...
,dict running afoul
fsbot
7 definitions found
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Run \Run\ (r[u^]n), v. i. [imp. Ran (r[a^]n) or Run; p. p.
Run; p. pr. & vb. n. Running.] [OE. rinnen, rennen (imp.
ran, p. p. runnen, ronnen). AS. rinnan to flow (imp. ran, p. ..[Type ,more]
JordiGH
Blegh.
damd
nice
,t8 en sv run afoul
fsbot
springa afoul
arcanis
JordiGH, don't work = |
cvandusen
,t8 en sv run a fowl
fsbot
köra en höns
JordiGH
damd
heh, is that funny?
JordiGH
It's funny that I can recognise the word. :-)
damd
that translated to "drive a hens" pretty much
JordiGH
And you also have the same root as courier, correr, corridor for "run".
damd
or rather "drive an hen"
cvandusen
from a colloquialism "It's driving me hens!"
damd
köra is pronounced more like "sure-ah"
JordiGH
It doesn't mean "run"?
damd
well, run as in "run a program", "run a car"
not like "run a marathon"
that's "springa"
JordiGH
Aha, sprint.
damd
it's actually more correct to say "löpa" when it comes to a marathon :/
but both work
JordiGH
So that's Swedish?
I wonder how hard it would be for me to learn.
damd
the basics are pretty easy, but i'd say it's just about as hard to learn as german
or maybe slightly easier than german
JordiGH
Now I read its Wikipedia page... those usually have pretty good overviews of European languages.
Haha, you use suffixes instead of articles.
damd
what's an article in a linguistic sense?
JordiGH
Alright, looks like you guys have a weird sound... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dorso-palatal_velar_fricative
damd: *the* cat, *a* dog.
damd: It's a kind of determiner of a noun phrase.
(There can be other determiners, such as *this* cat or *your* dog.)
damd
oh, right
never even thought about that
JordiGH
Which is totally awesome, because you know all these complex languages rules without thinking about them.
language
damd
the sje-sound never struck me as strange... i talked about it earlier today in this channel actually, C-r for kristianstad
JordiGH
Ah, that's right! I see its IPA there. Didn't notice it.
"simultaneous ƒ and x", hahaha, wtf, those aren't even the same point of articulation.
damd
it's more of something in the middle of those two
not quite ƒ and not quite x
JordiGH
Oh, wow, no conjugation...
damd
don't know what that is
JordiGH
That must be unusual for a European language.
damd: You don't inflect (change) verbs for past or future.
damd: No "I go/I went".
damd
i don't get it
JordiGH
Wait, misread.
You don't conjugate for *person* or *number*.
So it's almost like English.
damd
so what does *that* mean?
JordiGH
Okay, English does conjugate for both, but for person more rarely.
I run/He runs, you have to conjugate run->runs because it's third person, not first.
damd
aha, right, we don't change the verb
jlf
truly, proper use of nouns is declining
JordiGH
And I'm totally out of whack, of course English conjugates for both all the time.
jlf: You will burn in Chomsky hell for that remark.
damd
but "runs" and "is being run" in swedish is "kör" and "körs"
jlf
(Action) whistles innocently
damd
is that interesting?
JordiGH
damd: is that common? For all verbs?
damd
for some verbs it doesn't really make sense, but i don't know
JordiGH
Haha, two genders, neither of them masculine or feminine.
damd
did you know that sweden has five official languages? did you also know that swedish is actually not one of them? :)
us modest swedes...
cvandusen
jlf: Don't make us the object of your ridicule.
JordiGH
damd: I don't care about your petty politics, you can understand Norwegians, so stfu. ;-)
damd
barely
i worked with a norwegian guy who had a strange accent even for norway... couldn't understand a word that guy said. neither could anyone else.
cvandusen
He could have been from the Alabama part of Norway.
JordiGH
Hah, you form genitive like in English.
This looks fun. Maybe before this life is over, I'll try to learn Swedish or another Nordic language.
arcanis
damd
JordiGH: you should learn a language which impresses people more
swedes quite rarely get impressed by foreigners who speak swedish
JordiGH
damd: Why?
damd
JordiGH: all immigrants have the right to SFI (Svenska För Invandrare, Swedish For Immigrants)
JordiGH
What if you're a non-immigrant foreigner?
damd
doesn't matter, people would just assume you went through SFI
JordiGH
If you're vacationing in Mexico and someone suddenly addresses you in Swedish, I bet you'll be impressed.
damd
that's a häst of another färg
JordiGH
brb
mstr
damd: immigrants actually learn it?
damd
mstr: most people learn enough to get by
extremely few learn it fluently
our immigration minister is an immigrant from burundi who speaks almost completely without any accent
Sketch
a møøse bit my sister once...
damd
but she came here when she was 12 or so, so i guess that doesn't count
Sketch: älg, mate
like "elk" i suppose
but not the same species
eax
Hi there, I'm new with Emacs and I have downloaded the php-mode from sourceforge, I have unpacked it but have no idea what to do with the contents, can someone help? :)
jlf
,install
fsbot
install is, like, [0] To install a <file>.el, save it to, say ~/elisp
[1] add to the beginning of ~/.emacs: (add-to-list 'load-path "~/elisp"),
[2] now FOLLOW THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS IN THE FILE, typically adding (require '<file>) to the end of ~/.emacs, ..[Type ,more]
fledermaus
,more
fsbot
[3] see http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LoadPath,
[4] the site-wide emacs extension directory is usually `/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp',
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