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laurus
cluck, sorry :)
kensanata
Well, I'll try some other day.
Off to shower and read some books instead!
cluck
leo2007: i wonder what would have happened if rms had stopped developing emacs and the gnu toolchain when people said that about gnu programs comparatively to their standard unix counterparts
leo2007
he already stopped
bremner
cluck: meh, so git is proprietary? give unto me an sbreak(2)
or, what the heck are we talking about?
cluck
bremner: no, but it isn't part of the gnu project (just like the bsd and mit licensed stuff wasn't either back then)
leo2007
bzr is sh*t
cluck
leo2007: no one is arguing against that fact
offby1
I AM!
(Action) looks around
what am I arguing against?
         

bremner
cluck: I think if "being part of the gnu project" is your main criterion, we have nothing further to discuss.
on this particular topic :)
leo2007
the most important part of that project is still missing
bremner
(Action) prefers software blessed by the church of the evolved sheep
cluck
leo2007: but if the gnu project is to be a full-featured OS one day, its tools have start from somewhere, promoting the usage of incomplete tools helps to fix the real world kinks
leo2007
it never will be
cluck
bremner: "being part of the gnu project" is exactly the only reason bzr was chosen over the competition, afaik
gnuvince
Is it possible to configure the -mm option to always be on? Something in .Xresources maybe?
pd
alias emacs=emacs -mm
leo2007
every talent has been driven away
bremner
cluck: yes, I thought you were somehow defending that as a reasonable basis for a decision
gnuvince
pd: aliases are ignored by my launcher
dim
gnuvince: use awesome :)
bremner
gnuvince: if all else fails, make a script
leo2007
the byte compiler in emacs is written by jwz.
cluck
bremner: i'm not defending or fighting the facts, just stating them and saying "if you use gnu programs it's likely you'll have to deal with gnu policies sooner or later, if don't like it go pout somewhere else." :)
bremner
cluck: ah, so free as in stfu
cluck
bremner: no, free as in "nothing new to see here, move along"
e1f
This way we do not always quote that so and so university
is doing that and we should be quoted by others for
oops
bremner
e1f: wth, no apple reference?
leo2007
"The GNU Hurd is under active development."
is that true?
         

pd
yes
cluck
leo2007: yes, there are even some gsoc slots for this year
quotemstr
leo2007: In the sense that Stephen Hawking is active, sure.
leo2007
is the activity comparable to linux kernel?
cluck
they're moving very slowly, but they're moving
pd
leo2007: of course not
cluck
leo2007: no, afaik much, much more slowly (fewer developers)
pd
that's a pretty high standard to place on a project
leo2007
i don't think gnu is going anywhere. in fact without linux, it won't get much attention.
i mean from the users' pov
pd
from a user's pov, it needn't go anywhere
bremner
leo2007: from the the users' pov, software = Windows
pd
very few of these proverbial users are interested in hurd, but innumerable people rely on gnu projects
leo2007
not these days. users aren't fool any more at least not all.
cluck
however last time i looked there was work being done on a "driver" compatibility layer to let linux modules work on hurd, that alone should fix a lot of stuff if it ever comes to fruition
bremner
and isn't sabotoged by politics
pd
yay, 23.2 finally has xft font sizes that match the rest of my system
shadowskill
hmm new emacs need to update
(Action) hopes viewing gtags in sidebar will work without him having to do anything after he updates. He cant remember exactly how he got it to work before....
leo2007
good night folks.
cluck
leo2007: as i see it, the hurd only has a chance at a niche market at best and only if it ever gets the basics to work (sound, 3d acceleration, networking) but as an ideological statement that's more than enough to be considered a success and plenty enough to inspire new generations of geeks and nerds to get involved with free software
AimHere
Might work as a research project
ded
in gnus with nntp, how do I search for a particular post, in order to reply in an old thread?
cluck
leo2007: for the rest of the world windows and linux have got all your bases covered in 99% of cases for all i know
leo2007
linux unix and apple are my favourite.
cluck
AimHere: it works as a research project, that's mostly how it has survived for the last few years afaik
leo2007
did they get funding from us government?
bremner
from Microsoft Research
cluck
leo2007: like hell, i'd rather have microsoft keep it's dominance over the alternative of apple doing it, not even balmer is as twisted as jobs :D
srid
(Action) wonders if VPS (via ssh / lynx) can be used for anonymous surfing.
leo2007
cluck: at least it is bsd unix
cluck
leo2007: i think it's mostly european students iirc (but i am _not_ certain at all)
shadowskill
does anyone remember offhand what the default shortcut for backspace is?
cluck
leo2007: and good night :)
shadowskill
its not c-h (even though that seems to be the setting with some programs that use emacs style keybindings.)
leo2007
cluck: night
pd
shadowskill: mine is set to delete-backward-char
shadowskill
hmm
ok better question how do you list keybindings
fledermaus
<f1> b
pd
C-h k: find out what a particular key does; C-h b: list all bindings; C-h m: major-mode bindings
shadowskill
ah thanks
pd
anyone else have C-u M-x shell no longer offer a reasonable default buffer name for the second shell?
i just realized i've been attaching shells to .js buffers and the like
in 23.2 that is
shadowskill
i swear i need to print out a cheatsheet or something
pd
yeh, my first 6 months or so i had a list of the keys i was working on getting into muscle memory taped to the side of my monitor
rinse&repeat after i no longer needed to look at them
ah, this problem only happens with ido-everywhere on
pigdude
how do I get a shell in a split?
just my default os shell
pd
pigdude: M-x shell, or M-x ansi-term
each has its own peculiarities
bozhidar
you can open one shell buffer
rename it
and open another shell buffer
same goes for ansi-term buffers
than you can have those buffers side-by-side if you wish
pigdude
when I did M-x shell, my whole emacs window became a shell, with the bottom becoming another split when doing tab-completion
pd
it's just another buffer
Plouj
hi
vinzent
what is better: erc or rcirc?
pigdude
how do I access history in this shell? the up key moves the cursor
Plouj
I installed clojure-mode and swank-clojure in emacs 23. Now, for some reason M-x only succeeds to connect to addr=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0,port=0,localport=53077 once every 5 times I restart emacs and run M-x slime
shadowskill
does anyone use gnu global and view their tags with the speedbar?
pd
pigdude: M-p, M-n
pigdude
C-<up> recalls history it seems
ah thanks
shadowskill
I cant figure out how to get my emacs to do that and i remember being able to do that a long time ago.
pd
pigdude: C-h m inside the shell to see the specific bindings
Plouj
I installed clojure-mode and swank-clojure from epla
pd
pigdude: ansi-term is much, much closer to a normal shell, but it's much, much less like a normal emacs buffer
but is capable of doing things like launching less/ncurses/vi/whatever
pigdude
ok, I did c-d in the shell and see "Process shell finished"
pd
the buffer just doesn't delete itself (thankfully)
pigdude
I did c-x 0 which seems to be how you close a split
now I just have the shell's completions buffer which I can't do anything with
cluck
fsbot: tell vinzent about salespitch
fsbot
vinzent: hmm, salespitch is Emacs sucks (see ,ASS). We aren't gonna lie and tell you it doesn't. Some people tolerate it, others can't. To find out which category you fit into, try emacs yourself. We can't tell you.
cluck
vinzent: same applies to irc clients
pd
vinzent: erc and rcirc have rough feature parity
flip a coin, if you don't like the result choose the other one
pigdude
how do I change my cwd in emacs?
I see the (cd) function but I don't know how to invoke it
pd
M-x
pigdude
so M-x functionname is used to invoke a function?
shadowskill
what's the correct way to change what command is invoked by compile based on the major mode?
pigdude
is there a way to view an interactive file tree, like vim's NERD_Tree plugin?
shabble
pigdude: strictly speaking, you can only invoke commands, which are a subset of functions.
pigdude: I'm not familiar with nerd tree, but you could tree speedbar
um, try :)
pigdude
looks similar
shabble
otherwise, dired is probably also a good choice
shadowskill
I would like to have ruby files set to run ruby by default
well ruby filename
pigdude
dired shows too much information I think
pd
pigdude: i realize this is a non-answer, but i don't know any heavy emacs users who rely on a dir tree
it's just not particularly useful when you've got things like ido
pigdude
ido does this?
pd
no, it doesn't at all, but it makes navigating files and buffers extremely simple
shabble
it's an alternative navigation method
vinzent
thanks, looks like i made decision. Another question: is there a translator?
shadowskill
does anyone know how to display tags created with global in the speedbar?
quidnunc
What is the variable that causes emacs to confirm before exiting?
shabble
shadowskill: check the emacswiki, pretty sure there's something there
quidnunc
nvm, confirm-kill-emacs
pd
arrrgh i keep launching shells in nonsensical buffers
i've got a shell running in *scratch* right now
and another in a Rakefile
shadowskill
shabble i have been.
i really wish i remember how i enabled this
rryouumaa
how do you define "h-RET \"? this does not work: (define-key alpha-org-map (kbd "<H-return> \\") 'org-refile).
pd
what is H- ?
rryouumaa
hyper, pd
never mind; i found somthing better
pd
(ido-read-buffer "buffer: " "*testing*") <- does *testing* fail to show up in the list for anyone else on 23.2 ?
seangrove
Hey everyone, I'm working on an emacs extension to remotely interact with pivotal tracker, because I find it very tedious to go to the browser to add/read a story for every little thing
shabble
hmm, anyone tried the 23.2 binary from emacsformacosx.com?
seangrove
But I'm thinking about the interface to add in a story - is there a way to make a nice menu in a buffer with editable fields?
shabble
,emacsformacosx
fsbot
shabble, emacsformacosx is http://emacsformacosx.com/
pd
shabble: not yet but i was planning on getting my macbook up to date later today
why?
fsbot
Why not?
pd
fsbot is pure insight
shabble
pd: it's crashing on startup for me
pd
my roommates are currently watchin hulu on that laptop, but after the episode ends i'll gank it from them and try it
shabble
pd: http://pastie.org/951927
don't install it over the top of the old one like I just did, then :)
cluck
pd: fsbot is that or just an empirical proof of how lame and predictable human kind really is (particularly when on irc) ;)
pizzledizzle
is TAGS file for emacs lisp automatically generated?
oh my
pd
shabble: yeh, crash on startup here too
shabble
pd: hmm
seangrove
How can I find the type of a variable?
(type my-var) doesn't work
,(type 123)
fsbot
Uh oh, Symbol's function definition is void: fs-type
seangrove
,types
fsbot
try: cl-typesetting ctypes.el LispCtypesDiffs MimeTypesWithGnus SimpleJapaneseTypesetter TypesofLogFile
seangrove
,sequencep
fsbot
Uh oh, Wrong number of arguments: fs-sequencep, 0
legumbre
,(type-of 123)
fsbot
integer ..(symbol)
seangrove
Heh, thanks :)
,strings
fsbot
seangrove: strings is [0] Because \ is the escape character in a string literal, regexps embedded in strings need to have their \s carefully escaped.
[1] For example, the regexp \(foo\) in a string should look like "\\(foo\\)", ..[Type ,more]
seangrove
,cast
fsbot
try: castaway EmacsScreencasts ido-screencast screencast screencasting stuffcast.el
seangrove
,(type-of (type-of 123))
fsbot
symbol ..(symbol)
seangrove
So cons are not sequences?
shabble
hooray, 24.0.50.1
seangrove
,(sequencep '("example"))
fsbot
t ..(symbol)
shabble
hmm, the bzr instructions on teh wiki are confusing me a bit; what's hte easiest way to select a specific tagged release?
jordanb_
I hate it how when I try to watch an ogg, firefox uses this ghey builtin player that won't scale up.
But if I watch an MPEG, then it uses an inferior instance of totem, or something.
Meaming MPEG is a better experience for me.
moljac024
how can i programatically get the extension of the currently selected file under dired?
cluck
jordanb_: maybe take a look at the plugins and delete the one for ogg if totem can handle the contents?
jordanb_
cluck: So then will htm5 video break?
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