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dto
hi. i'm using GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of 2010-03-29 on rothera, modified by Debian". my fringe bitmaps are messed up... the fringe doesn't update properly when scrolling the document around, so there are bunches of glitches copies of the bitmaps when they move. resizing the window fixes it. could this have to do with my running Compiz?
linguini
offby1: You maintain cygwin-mount.el ?
chosig
I saw a mention on the emacswiki for an Emacs cheat sheet mindmap style, I am doing one myself - so now I'll clean it up and post it somewhere. At the moment it's just the core, about half of org-mode, and a couple of smaller modes in it.
Which modes/packages would you want in it from the start?
kodein
macros
chosig
allright. gonna make sure that i got 100% core and org-mode, then i'll put it somewhere public, then it's macros
it's going to be in freemind format, so it should work nice with org-mode too
pizzledizzle
whats the command to move cursor to the lower/middle/upper portion of the screen
mfisher
^L ?
pizzledizzle
no there was one that just moved the point alone
jlf
someone mentioned M-r earlier
but it doesn't behave like that here
         

damd
jlf: a recent change introduced the lower/upper functionality
nwidger
does anyone know if fullscreen on mac os x will be coming in 23.2?
pizzledizzle
jlf thanks it works. if u pass it 0, it goes to top, without args it goes to middle, and neg moves it to bottom. works fine
jlf
damd: o rly? i might have to check that out...
pizzledizzle: sounds like damd is saying that bouncing on M-r repeatedly will do the analogous thing to bouncing on C-l
rryouumaa
nwidger: that would be very nice, wouldn't it?
chosig
nice, another command for the map
rryouumaa
nwidger: dunno. hope they do.
tessier_
puppet-mode.el has a bug in which it thinks home => "${homefs}/$username" is the end of a block because it contains a } and I am trying to fix it. It has syntax table containing (modify-syntax-entry ?\{ "(}" puppet-mode-syntax-table) Is this the right place to fix it and if so any suggestions on how I should change it?
nwidger
rryouumaa: well... ok cool :P
rryouumaa: any idea why it's been difficult to add?
rryouumaa
nwidger: dunno, but i have tried 2 workarounds, and neither is ideal
the first is buggy and the second doesn't even apply to the latest git
nwidger
rryouumaa: ya i saw a few on emacswiki but they didnt look too appealing
moljac024
The most amazing achievement of the computer software industry is its continuing cancellation of the steady and staggering gains made by the computer hardware industry.
tis true
rryouumaa
strangely, i also get font issues with cocoa. i suppose it doesn't have the same access to fonts taht carbon did or something.
is moore's law bending?
jlf
rryouumaa: it's constantly thwarted by gates' law
rryouumaa
jlf: for emacs users, i mean
tessier_
Is ? some sort of escape character in emacs lisp?
rryouumaa
yes
jlf
gates' law isn't restricted to msft software.. it's just the tendency of sw to bloat
tessier_
Thanks
turbofail
it makes sense... the best feedback for a developer to know when to stop adding stuff is when it starts to get too slow
         

rryouumaa
is throughput of a single core still increasing at moore's law rates? that is what i mean.
turbofail
i think that stopped a while back
tessier_
(if (looking-at "^.*}") Hrm...almost seems like this should be anchored to $ at the end or something.
rryouumaa
so are the economics of standard hw changing?
what do they use to differentiate?
jlf
moore's law has nothing to do with throughput of anything
rryouumaa
jlf: informally
jlf
no
rryouumaa
i don't care about number of switches
i care about how fast emacs runs
jlf
fine, just leave moore's law out of it
rryouumaa
sigh
turbofail
these days they mostly differentiate by power consumption and/or number of cores
nwidger
isnt there a way to get dired to hide 'unimportant' files? (like .o, backup files, etc.)?
rryouumaa
turbofail: ok
moljac024
nwidger: yes
rryouumaa
nwidger: omit
moljac024
dired-x
is the package
nwidger
moljac024: aaaah thank you. i had it installed just couldnt remember the name :)
moljac024
dired-omit-mode
you have to customize the variable though
nwidger
moljac024: just tried and it didnt exactly what i wanted
moljac024
nwidger: then customze the variable dired-omit-files
with regexps maching that want you want to omit
nwidger
moljac024: whoops by didnt i meant did
moljac024
lol, cool
nwidger
sorry 'bout that :P
moljac024
i just added dot files into the default regexp
so i can unclutter my home dir 8)
Drakeson
have you been able to build emacs trunk on OSX lately? I keep bumping into the issue of `define-minor-mode' not defined in the bootstrap.
tessier_
Do most people build their syntax highlighter and indenter in their emacs mode using regular expressions? No BNF or recursive decent parsers or anything?
kprav33n
Is there a way to lock two different buffers for scrolling simultaneously?
I am not asking about follow-mode.
rryouumaa
kprav33n: scroll-lock
heoa
I have long equation with a { on a wrong position, is there a tool to check it or get colours somehow to debug twidled LaTex eq?
kprav33n
rryouumaa, Did you mean? http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ScrollLock
jlf
heoa: maybe show-paren-mode?
kprav33n
rryouumaa, There is no 'scroll-lock', but there is 'scroll-lock-mode' that doesn't relate to what I asked.
rryouumaa
,follow-mode
fsbot
[->] FollowMode is [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?FollowMode
[1] (info "(emacs)Follow Mode"),
[2] See also synchronizedscrolling
kprav33n
rryouumaa, I know about follow-mode
That is for the same buffer in two windows.
jlf
,synchronizedscrolling
fsbot
From memory, synchronizedscrolling is [0] m-x scroll-all-mode
[1] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MasterMode,
[2] See also FollowMode
Drakeson
heoa: I use auctex, but it is not rare to come across brackets colored wrongly. I guess parsing tex can be hard.
tessier_
Sweet. I just tweaked the regexes a bit and fixed puppet mode indenting.
rryouumaa
kprav33n: but i did not
kprav33n: my notes:
kprav33n
jlf, Cool!
rryouumaa
;;;scroll-lock.el in emacs keeps point
;;;scroll-lock.el =x? simultaneously scrolls windows in xemacs?
;;;scroll-all.el =fsf? simultaneously scrolls windows in emacs
kprav33n
That works. THanks.
jlf
,praise
fsbot
36:68 We have taught Stallman no poetry, nor does it become him to be
a poet. This is but a warning: an eloquent Emacs Manual to admonish
the living and No pass judgment on the unbelievers.
tessier_
Beginning block { must have a space in front of it and end block } must be at end of line. Works for me.
kprav33n
rryouumaa, scroll-all-mode
Thanks all!
heoa
Drakeson: can you evaluate eqs similarly in Emacs?
i mean in Tex
er latex
jlf: any idea about more sophisticated, there was "some rainbow" plugin to Vim that I used with LambdaCalc, perhaps sthig similar is in Emacs?
Eraldo
org-mode's column view has a huuge font on my machine (recent org-mode version)
as far as what I could find it is based on the default font
Drakeson
what do you mean by `evaulating equations'?
Eraldo
I just can't find what to do so that it is the same font size
heoa
Drakeson: auctex shows the equation in some pic format, ie evaluate the tex
err latex
rryouumaa
Eraldo: did you try the 2 faces i sent you?
face specs
damd
how can i list all of emacs's feces
Eraldo
rryouumaa: I did and messed up something
damd
i want to see the feces
rryouumaa
list-faces-display
damd
can i choose which feces i like best?
Eraldo
edit > text properties > faces
why do I get a different font size in the first place... ?
damd
can i put my own feces into emacs?
shabble
damd: !?
emacs already has a large amount of pre-defined feces for you.
damd
that was funny, admit it
rryouumaa
damd: depends on your age, i guess
damd
i was actually laughing pretty hard
rryouumaa
i had no idea that emacs users included people that young. it gives me hope that emacs will continue to thrive. i think.
damd
they even include my code in the distribution... scary, isn't it?
chosig
aye
johnw
emacs lets just anybody use it these days
nwidger
im only 8 and i love emacs!
turbofail
yeah... emacs is such a dirty little editor
nwidger
only kidding :P
tessier_
emacs comes with feces? I thought the kitchen sink was already more than sufficient.
shabble
remind me not to get a glass of water at your house...
damd
hahahahaha
johnw
i wonder who the youngest person in this channel is
nwidger
a/s/l?
shabble
(Action) (1+ age) today
moljac024
i'm 12
nwidger
im 22.
moljac024
damd: what about you?
damd
i'm going to be completely honest
23/m/sweden
moljac024
ok, if honest is what you people want
24/sm/Serbia
damd
@5?C1;8:0 A@18O
moljac024
sm stands for shemale
damd
i didn't want to go there
turbofail
everyone knows 12-year-olds on IRC are all fbi agents
moljac024
lol
Drakeson
heoa: auctex comes with preview-latex that renders equations into images and shows them in emacs. some people use that.
moljac024
damd: @5?C1;8:0 A@18X0
damd
moljac024: always those little things...
good night
Riviera
pichku materiju
e1f
last person to leave the channel, please turn off the lights
johnw
anyone under 23?
turbofail
there was a claim for 22 earlier
johnsu01
e1f is 12
e1f
emacs channel demographics are on the wiki
trebor_dki
(Action) wonders, why suddenly C-M {<left>, <right>} can not be used anymore C-h k does not detect it either - but <esc>-C <left> is translated to C-M <left> --- strange
e1f
,emacschanneldemographics
fsbot
EmacsChannelDemographics is, like, at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsChannelDemographics
johnw
i meant right now
e1f
oh i see
nwidger
i am 22
until june anyways
johnw
if socrates was put to death for corrupting the youth of Athens, can you imagine what would happen to us?
Drakeson
e1f: save me!
stefan monnier broke my emacs 2 days ago
have you been able to build emacs after May 5? it fails in bootstrap here.
it seems like define-minor-mode which is defined in emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el is used in files.el before easy-mmode.el gets the chance to be loaded/
actually nevermind. seems like it is supposed to be fixed now. /me has to wait for the fix to arrive through the intertubes
jlf
,,...
fsbot
[In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
Drakeson
,windows
fsbot
Drakeson, Windows is (info "(emacs)Windows")
Drakeson
,windows-vista
fsbot
I think vista is [0] Windows Vista
[1] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt,
[2] see http://badvista.org/ for the FSF's Vista opposition campaign
Drakeson
dear fsbot, tell me about emacs binaries for windows vista, so that I can help a fellow ...
fledermaus
,w32
fsbot
try: emacsw32 w32-browser.el w32-exec-predef.el w32-feeling-mode.el w32-feeling-mode.html w32-find-dired.el w32-send-mapi.el w32-symlinks w32-symlinks.el w32-utl.el w32-winprint.el w32browser-dlgopen.el w32emacs
fledermaus
,emacsw32
fsbot
emacsw32 is [0] Emacs CVS binaries for Microsoft OSes at http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html
[1] CVS builds available http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/,
[2] http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki?EmacsW32, ..[Type ,more]
jlf
,windows is also see also emacsw32 for windows versions of emacs
fsbot
Added entry to the term "Windows"
Drakeson
which one is what most people use? I don't even have a w32 to test
for instance, the cvs emacs binary in http://ntemacs.sourceforge.net/ is dated 20090923. is that what people use?
or is it the ourcomments.org one?
jlf
i hear emacsw32 mentioned here oftenish
Drakeson
jlf: I see. thanks.
chosig
man, there's millions of keybinds...
legumbre
(Action) refuses to do the math
jlf
talking legumbre says, "math is hard!"
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