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rryouumaa
,cmail
fsbot: where are you?
fsbot
try: procmail-mode ProcmailLog procmaillog.el ProcmailMode
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[1] a machine,
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rryouumaa
,notmuch
fsbot
rryouumaa, notmuch -- an emacs mail-reader frontend over a xapian database; see http://keithp.com/blogs/notmuch/ or http://notmuchmail.org
bremner
fsbot: notmuch is also see #notmuch
fsbot
Added entry to the term "notmuch"
rryouumaa
kind of hard to pick one without trying it i guess
in principle, fsbot could tally people who use a particular package. for example, you could say fsbot: i use notmuch and it would print a table of who uses what package
strelok7
fsbot: where are you?
fsbot
you is [0] INNOCENT!
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legumbre_
,dacp
fsbot
legumbre_: I need a little more detail please.
skraelings
how can I grep the buffer's content? If, for example, I am visiting a compressed file like simple.el.gz
mbecroft
skraelings: does occur not work?
skraelings
mbecroft: it does, thank you! is it a good way to see all the function ? or is there a better way?
mbecroft
skraelings: there is the speedbar
personally I usually use occur or speedbar. there may be better ways I don't know about
Yesterday someone pointed out ecb to me, which sounds pretty flash, but I've never tried it
skraelings
mbecroft: I know about speedbar, never like it much cause it takes too much of space and I don't hace a big screen
e1f
(Action) remembers 40-column screens
mbecroft
ugh that would be what, pre VT-52
e1f
snogglethorpe: "Men wearing leggings under shorts, a very popular "look" in Tokyo right now." do you find this to be true
technomancy
(Action) just got a patch for cygwin compatibility that runs basically all args to the shell through shelling out to cygpath
that can't really be necessary, can it? I mean isn't the point of cygwin so that stuff will work without ridiculous windows compatibility shims?
e1f
have you booked passage on the yugoslavian freighter bound for joburg
fledermaus
(Action) sleeps
e1f
damd
,desktop.el
fsbot
From memory, JP-desktop.el is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?JP-desktop.el
damd
what is desktop.el?
ffs bots stop failing me
boscop
"scroll-other-window" scrolls the next window. how can I scroll the previous one?
e1f
try giving a negative prefix or read the documentation for the function
boscop
e1f, negative prefix scroll in the other direction
         

damd
i have made a few changes to rcirc.el in the bzr repo (trunk) but i don't have access to committing
how would i properly make a bzr bundle that i can send as a patch to the maintainer?
do i need to make a "quickfixes" branch?
e1f
bumptop for windows and mac is available for free download
google bought them
confounds
google bought them?
damd
more like google shut them down for a few bucks
confounds
heh
bremner
who are "the bumps" and why should I care?
confounds
bremner: no reason to care at all, really
toy desktop enhancement
e1f
guess is that the android tablet will use bumptop
forthcoming andriod tablet, i whould say
confounds
no doubt
technomancy
(Action) is pretty sure Google has the sense to ignore the tablet market
though I'm sure some other enterprising manufacturer will fall for it
thomas001
hi. recent emacs trunk crashes here during startup at xdisp.c:20911. is this a known issue?
damd
works here from today's bzr
thomas001
hmm i used git, but should be the same?
technomancy
thomas001: as long as you got it from repo.or.cz it should be
linguini
technomancy: What cygwin patch do you speak of? Do you run cygwin-emacs or nt-emacs?
technomancy: I run nt-emacs with "bash.exe" set as my shell on Windows.
thomas001
hmm only crashs at -O2 ... sounds like $broken_compiler ?
hmm but could be broken emacs code too
technomancy
linguini: I don't have Windows; I got a patch for cygwin support for a project I maintain (http://github.com/technomancy/swank-clojure)
linguini
technomancy: Ah, hmm.
thomas001
anybody running gcc 4.5?
linguini
technomancy: Does the patch actually invoke cygpath.exe on each arg? Process startup can be slow on Windows...
technomancy
linguini: it does
I have no idea what makes sense to ensure cygwin compatibility, but I'm pretty sure this isn't it. =\
linguini
technomancy: Yes, plus it seems it would have to somehow differentiate between windows executables (e.g. cl.exe) and cygwin ones (which want unix style paths)
thomas001
woah compiling using -Wall is very verbose
technomancy
linguini: basically stuff like this: http://github.com/MadWombat/swank-clojure/commit/872d29761404f6166d691304391ed2b60572d230
linguini
technomancy: Hmm. It looks like it is trying to replace the hardcoded /cygdrive/c with something more generic. I would look into cygwin-mount.el before putting such code in swank-clojure (which certainly seems an odd place for such stuff).
technomancy: cygwin-mount.el is slightly broken, but it is supposed to convert cygwin paths to unix paths, and doesn't invoke cygpath.exe.
MadWombat
linguini: the way I was trying to do it was to use cygpath.exe to convert UNIX paths into Windows style
linguini: I am no longer running under cygwin, so I temporarily stopped working on it
linguini: http://github.com/MadWombat/swank-clojure/blob/master/swank-clojure.el
linguini: how does cygwin-mount.el figures out cygwin install directory? I never found any way to do that except by running cygpath.
leo2007
any idea which face is used to display (ctrl l)?
damd
leo2007: normally, default
leo2007
damd: not here, see http://imagebin.org/95351
damd
leo2007: believe it or not, that's the default face
the special look is given by text properties i believe
hm, no, it's not
leo2007
the thing is how to inspect that char?
damd
i'm inspecting it as we speak
just describe-char with point on it
shabble
C-u C-x = will also tell you
johnw
as will M-x describe-text-properties
shabble
multiple ways to do things?
damd
it's a hardcoded face, escape-glyph, leo2007
shabble
in emacs!?
leo2007
damd: thanks
johnw
i like C-u C-x =
that's awesome
snogglethorpe
e1f: no
e1f: it seems very popular among girls tho
damd
i've bound that to 'C-c d c', easier to remember
leo2007
johnw: it didn't show up in C-u C-x =
shabble
leo2007: shows up as 'hardcoded face: escape-glyph" here
damd
shabble: too late
leo2007
shabble: I missed that :(
johnw
is there a way to tell ls not to show symlinks at all?
i mean, other than like *(./) in zsh or something
shabble
johnw: use dircolors to set it unprintable? :)
damd
johnw: i don't think so
johnw
well, this is for dired
see, most of my home directory now lives in an encrypted volume. If I do an ls without any symlinks, what I'm seeing is anything that's not been secured
i guess *(^@) in zsh is close enough
shabble
can dired ls-command be a pipeline?
benny
what's the opposite of expand-file-name? I want to go from /home/benny/bla to ~/bla, or do I have to do thatmyself with a replace-string?
shabble
you could use -F to display types, and then eat anything ending in @
johnw
benny: abbreviate-file-name?
benny
johnw: perfect, thanks
drdo
Hello
MadWombat
Hello
drdo
Does anyone use emacs on OS X with a keyboard with AltGr=
johnw
i've seen a wombat
drdo
*?
MadWombat
johnw: and?
johnw
not a very remarkable event
they look like giant badgers or something
i saw him at a national zoo in australia
MadWombat
johnw: this tells me you have never seen a angry wombat charging at you in excess of 100mph :)
johnw
isn't the fastest animal the cheetah at 35mph?
MadWombat
johnw: BTW, could you use my nick, I am testing my new notification defun and it is supposed to react to ERC matching my nick
johnw: this was a mangled quote from Linus Torvalds
johnw
MadWombat: you are no wombat
ah
MadWombat
johnw: yes, I am, I realise, that it might seem suspicious, me, a wombat, here on IRC, but they do have wireless at the zoo admin office and Kangoroo in the next cell hides an EeePC in his belly sack
unfortunately, we marsupials are not very good at lisp and typing using claws is uncomfortable
johnw
one of the keyboard ones?
shabble
johnw: cheetahs can hit 70mph or so iirc
MadWombat
someone, say MadWombat again, please
johnw
wow
hi MadWombat
shabble
MadWombat: smile!
MadWombat
It Works!!!
Thank you
linguini
MadWombat: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/cygwin-mount.el
johnw
wow
a cheetah could outrun me on the freeway
linguini
MadWombat: Apparently it invokes mount.exe and uname.exe (once)
shabble
I hope you don't drive a convertable
or you're dinner!
johnw
no
but since i keep to the speed limit, i usually drive around 68mph
rryouumaa
(Action) is confused by the many vcs versions of emacs. one is recommended to use cvs version, there's a bzr version, there's a git mirror ...
drdo
Does anyone know how i can set it up so emacs properly recognizes my AltGr (it's getting recognized as an Alt) on OS X?
johnw
the bzr version is the true one now
the git one is a semi-official mirror
rryouumaa
so the cvs recommendation on emacs for osx is old?
johnw
yep
rryouumaa
ok
johnw
all cvs development has ceased
rryouumaa
i'll use git from repo.or.cz then, if that's equivalent to bzr
johnw
it lags by at most a day
but if you don't need to commit, i'd recommend that one
rryouumaa
you recommend which? repo.or.cz?
offby1
"Complex is better than complicated" ? wtf?
rryouumaa
it's bad form to say "the complicated number plane"
:)
johnw
yes, repo.or.cz I think is the semi-official one
offby1
OK, I'll grant that.
MadWombat
linguini: you can use cygpath once on a known location (like /)) to figure out installation prefix
snogglethorpe
offby1: hmm, well if you use a complex type with proper operator overloading, it is indeed nicer than expanding all operations manually using floats
much easier to find bugs!
lol ... "Virginia's comically right-wing attorney general"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_05/023605.php
(note, when i say "lol", it's becuase I actually laughed out loud)
johnw
snogglethorpe: me too
that's why I never say rofl
my chair makes it hard to naturally fall on the floor
snogglethorpe
well you could type that afterwards
i've actually done that, and at the time, i just fell out of the chair
(luckily there was a carpet)
johnw
the Internet isn't that funny yet, I guess
snogglethorpe
the occasion was a bill cosby video
he's dangerous to watch for extended periods
offby1
.oO("Why is there air?")
seanmcl
Is there a way to delete a region without copying it to the kill-ring? I'm automatically deleting stuff and don't want to pollute the ring.
offby1
seanmcl: ,,df delete-region
fsbot
delete-region is an interactive built-in function in `C source code'.
It is bound to <menu-bar> <edit> <clear>.
(delete-region START END)
Delete the text between point and mark.
When called from a program, expects two arguments,
positions (integers or markers) specifying the stretch to be deleted.
offby1
oddly enough.
seanmcl: in Emacs' (rather weird) terminology, "delete" _by definition_ doesn't touch the kill-ring; only "killing" does.
(or copying-as-kill.)
seanmcl
offby1: thanks. So I guess I meant is there a way to delete a region
offby1
yep
seanmcl
ah
it's there
thanks. Just a terminology mixup
offby1
yep
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